Week 4 pregame thread: Bay of pigs edition vs Tampa Bay Bucs.

[Magooch]

It's the procedural stuff that's killer to me too... I do think for sure that reflects a lot on coaching but also some on the part of the player, it's just like someone who simply isn't studying enough to pass their test, so to speak

I'm a Gators fan and something new coach Sumrall said a while back on penalties was really interesting to me. He basically was talking about how stuff like roughing, holding, PI, etc...you obviously don't WANT those things to happen but he more or less said he's willing to give a lot more leeway there. If you tackle the QB and get flagged for it, you are in a battle with your opponent and get called for holding, you get beat in coverage and called for DPI, etc...He characterized those as "effort" penalties, stuff that happens while you're trying to make a play and trying to do the right thing. If you are putting in good effort and catch a flag for it, you want to try and iron that out but it is what it is, it happens in the game

On the other hand though he was also clear about how procedural and discipline issues are the real back breakers because that IS precisely the stuff you can really iron out. You might not ever be able to teach a lineman to NEVER hold but you can ensure that they are always lined up right and avoid illegal formation. You can make sure your team is communicating well and getting the playcall and adjustments in time to never have to take a delay penalty. You can instill the discipline that ensures you won't get guys caught for taunting or other unsportsmanlike calls. And so on...

So for us it's like, in the Falcons game for instance - when McClellan gets flagged for roughing, that was a killer penalty for us, but at the same time there's really nothing much you can do about it. I think it was a bad call, and ultimately it was just McClellan trying to make a play. I don't think he was being undisciplined, he wasn't malicious, there wasn't really anything to "clean up" there. These things happen, it sucks, but it is what it is. It's the stuff that you CAN control though that really adds up quickly

 

[gopkrs]

It's the procedural stuff that's killer to me too... I do think for sure that reflects a lot on coaching but also some on the part of the player, it's just like someone who simply isn't studying enough to pass their test, so to speak

I'm a Gators fan and something new coach Sumrall said a while back on penalties was really interesting to me. He basically was talking about how stuff like roughing, holding, PI, etc...you obviously don't WANT those things to happen but he more or less said he's willing to give a lot more leeway there. If you tackle the QB and get flagged for it, you are in a battle with your opponent and get called for holding, you get beat in coverage and called for DPI, etc...He characterized those as "effort" penalties, stuff that happens while you're trying to make a play and trying to do the right thing. If you are putting in good effort and catch a flag for it, you want to try and iron that out but it is what it is, it happens in the game

On the other hand though he was also clear about how procedural and discipline issues are the real back breakers because that IS precisely the stuff you can really iron out. You might not ever be able to teach a lineman to NEVER hold but you can ensure that they are always lined up right and avoid illegal formation. You can make sure your team is communicating well and getting the playcall and adjustments in time to never have to take a delay penalty. You can instill the discipline that ensures you won't get guys caught for taunting or other unsportsmanlike calls. And so on...

So for us it's like, in the Falcons game for instance - when McClellan gets flagged for roughing, that was a killer penalty for us, but at the same time there's really nothing much you can do about it. I think it was a bad call, and ultimately it was just McClellan trying to make a play. I don't think he was being undisciplined, he wasn't malicious, there wasn't really anything to "clean up" there. These things happen, it sucks, but it is what it is. It's the stuff that you CAN control though that really adds up quickly

I wish the refs would be willing to pick up flags more often. Another ref with a different perspective, if there is one, should speak up.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

If it was not so preset I bet the NFL wishes it could change the Cowboy-Packer game on SNF. There are some matchups that day that would draw a lot more of an audience.

Both the Packers and Cowboys could be combined winless and those 2 teams in the game would still draw a huge number.

 

[OldSchool101]

If I’ve got to sleep with ugly just this once to Win? Sign me up

Bucs put up 8 penalties against the Vikings. And with a rookie back up QB in his 1st start I would expect some false starts. This game could be an ugly one no matter who comes out on top

 

[weeds]

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[Pugger]

The way the Packers are playing milani, it would be a good move to switch the game out. Some week three NFL power rankings have GB close to the bottom at #28.

I'm usually fired up before the Packers games. That has now all but disappeared. I hate to come across as a fair-weather fan, but the team and organization is making this hard.

And contrary to what I just posted, yes, I'll keep watching the games. I might have my hands over my face, but I'll grind through it…...doairn't think you are a f

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The way the Packers are playing milani, it would be a good move to switch the game out. Some week three NFL power rankings have GB close to the bottom at #28.

I'm usually fired up before the Packers games. That has now all but disappeared. I hate to come across as a fair-weather fan, but the team and organization is making this hard.

And contrary to what I just posted, yes, I'll keep watching the games. I might have my hands over my face, but I'll grind through it…...

I don't think you are a fair-weather fan. Those type of "fans" only show up when the team is winning. You wouldn't be here discussing the Pack if you didn't care. I too am having trouble getting excited about the team this year. It has been disappointing/ disheartening to watch so far.

 

[DoURant]

Final injury report, 4 guys ruled out for Sunday:
Aaron Banks, Warren Brinson, Jacob Monk and Anthony Campbell.

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[DoURant]

Aaron Banks is such a disappointment. First in Preseason I think it was his back, then he leaves the 1st game with a toe injury.... now it's a knee and toe injury.

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[Magooch]

I couldn't tell you the first thing about Banks and as a principle I try not to judge others' motives/intentions/character etc from afar but I have to admit there's a part of me that is suspicious that the Banks case feels a bit like a case of a player suddenly spending a lot of time on the sideline after getting their big payday...

 

[milani]

Final injury report, 4 guys ruled out for Sunday:
Aaron Banks, Warren Brinson, Jacob Monk and Anthony Campbell.

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One of our better ones. And with 10 days off.

 

[DoURant]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2026/09/26/incredible-stats-on-the-packers-offensive-line-to-start-2026/91955271007/

This article sums up the OL struggles the first 3 weeks. Adding 3 veterans during this mini bye week, will hopefully improve the quick pressure rate, and open more holes for the running game, so we can run closer to 40-50% of plays. Having to Pass 3 out of every 4 plays, is as unbalanced as an offense can get.

 

[milani]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2026/09/26/incredible-stats-on-the-packers-offensive-line-to-start-2026/91955271007/

This article sums up the OL struggles the first 3 weeks. Adding 3 veterans during this mini bye week, will hopefully improve the quick pressure rate, and open more holes for the running game, so we can run closer to 40-50% of plays. Having to Pass 3 out of every 4 plays, is as unbalanced as an offense can get.

And it might provide an extended warranty for the life of our QB.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Aaron Banks is such a disappointment. First in Preseason I think it was his back, then he leaves the 1st game with a toe injury.... now it's a knee and toe injury.

Next up is the hip injury.

 

[DoURant]

Next up is the hip injury.

I hope he gets a flaming case of Hemorrhoids, cuz he's been nothing short of a royal pain in the ****.

 

[DoURant]

I'm chomping at the bit, to see if Zeitler and Tomlinson are active today.

 

[DoURant]

Zietler is inactive

 

[Zartan]

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I would have put it upside down, as that signals times are distressed. Then if they keep losing or looking just bad, then its time to have it half mast.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think Zeitler was way too unprepared to play 4 days after landing in GB. I do think there’s a 50/50 chance he could play next weekend though. By our Dallas game I’d personally have him as a 75% lock to start at RG.
In the meantime Travis Glover has been a pleasant surprise. Bid he was a 59% PFF grade, but 60% tends to be around fair to middling so we’re splitting hairs. I could see just sticking with Travis 1 more week after an adequate performance at Tampa.

 

[milani]

I think Zeitler was way too unprepared to play 4 days after landing in GB. I do think there’s a 50/50 chance he could play next weekend though. By our Dallas game I’d personally have him as a 75% lock to start at RG.
In the meantime Travis Glover has been a pleasant surprise. Bid he was a 59% PFF grade, but 60% tends to be around fair to middling so we’re splitting hairs. I could see just sticking with Travis 1 more week after an adequate performance at Tampa.

Speaking of available commodities the Seahawks opted not to sign Mixon to their PS after his physical. Is he worth consideration?

 

[OldSchool101]

Speaking of available commodities the Seahawks opted not to sign Mixon to their PS after his physical. Is he worth consideration?

Yes. Every Rock should be turned. Especially the guys that carry the Rock!
I really like Pierre Strong. He had a great run through Camp and Preseason. He also possesses some high level physical traits. He ran a 4.37 40 and 1.51 10-yard. He’s not big, just a smidge bigger than Aaron Jones, but he’s explosive. He was a consensus All American in 2021 for Tuckers team (the Jackrabbits) and led the FCS with 1,743 rushing yards. He’s finished College with 40 TD’s and has a knack for sniffing and finding Paint

We all know that smaller schools can translate, just look at Kraft or Aaron Jones for that matter. He also has 100 NFL carries for 500 yards 5.0 average.

Strong Jr also has a hidden trait. He’s 10 for 10 throwing the ball in college. 100%

 

[Heyjoe4]

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I don't think you are a fair-weather fan. Those type of "fans" only show up when the team is winning. You wouldn't be here discussing the Pack if you didn't care. I too am having trouble getting excited about the team this year. It has been disappointing/ disheartening to watch so far.

Thanks Pugger!

It has been hard watching these games, and discouraging because this is the “easy” part of the schedule.

Some teams play up or down to the level of the opponent. The Bears are the first good team they play (yeah the queens are 4-0, but it’s their D, not much offense).

I’m hoping for a great game and a W. I’m hoping for anything that shows the OL can truly produce.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Yes. Every Rock should be turned. Especially the guys that carry the Rock!
I really like Pierre Strong. He had a great run through Camp and Preseason. He also possesses some high level physical traits. He ran a 4.37 40 and 1.51 10-yard. He’s not big, just a smidge bigger than Aaron Jones, but he’s explosive. He was a consensus All American in 2021 for Tuckers team (the Jackrabbits) and led the FCS with 1,743 rushing yards. He’s finished College with 40 TD’s and has a knack for sniffing and finding Paint

We all know that smaller schools can translate, just look at Kraft or Aaron Jones for that matter. He also has 100 NFL carries for 500 yards 5.0 average.

Strong Jr also has a hidden trait. He’s 10 for 10 throwing the ball in college. 100%

Thanks OS. I don’t know anything about Strong, so thanks for the info.

And the way the OL and running game are going, why not give Strong a look?

 

[Heyjoe4]

I would have put it upside down, as that signals times are distressed. Then if they keep losing or looking just bad, then it’s time to have it half mast.

Thanks for the lesson on flag etiquette Z! Interesting stuff and agree, leave it high and upside down, errr, for now……

 

[Poppa San]

Speaking of available commodities the Seahawks opted not to sign Mixon to their PS after his physical. Is he worth consideration?

Failed his physical and you still want him?

 

[gopkrs]

I never know what that really means. I think Crosby failed his physical and he looks pretty good.