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Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by net, Aug 6, 2005.

  1. P@ck66

    P@ck66 Banned Banned

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    Anusbis, net..et..al...

    I love the quotes and statistics that are posted by all of the Sherman sycophants....

    One..because they are such a REACH...trying to justify this man's collosal follies...

    and Two, because they ALWAYS leave out the most IMPORTANT stats, in my book.,...and that's PLAYOFF WINS..and wins of HOME GAMES....

    also..coaching decisions made at crunch time never seem to make it into any "statistics"...

    (and look at Sherman's % of wins against teams with a winning % in the league...and you start to get a different picture....one that is alot closer to the truth....)

    (net...what's ol' Mikey boys % stats look like when you look at the playoffs?)

    this was posted on Packer Chatters..and it says it all....almost...(but there IS more)

    (from PackerChatters...)

    LA.....Your post makes it sound like any and all criticism of MS is unfair and that it is destroying his authority--and, therefore, his ability to coach this year. If I'am misunderstanding your post, then I'am sorry.

    But, honestly, does he not deserve serious criticism? Was he really replaced as GM because he could'nt handle "the good cop, bad cop role?" I think he was removed, because he was a total disaster at the job. Likewise, I think he will be replaced as HC, probably before the end of the season. Why? Because he is not a competent coach. If, however, by some miracle (and I don't believe in coaching miracles) he wins the Super Bowl, then it will be impossible for TT to replace him. But the chances of that happening are slim and none.

    I'am sure you find my views outrageous, but I would like to defend them by citing your Disraeli quote at the bottom of each of your posts, i.e., "lies, damn lies and statistics." (By the way, I always heard this quote attributed to Mark Twain.) In any event, the only real arguement that is mounted to defend his coaching career at GB is the fact that he has a better won-loss record than Holmgren and that he won three straight divisional titles. To me, this is a perfect example of misusing statistics to create a lie greater than a damn lie. What, for example, did he ever do to improve the team he inherited?

    Was it the quality of his new coaching staff? Did they ever coach up any player? Was it his astute drafts or even the strategy of always trading up? Was it his ability to find and bring in affordable free agents or was it his ability to manage the cap? Did he rely on a pretty good in-place scouting staff or did he go around it to make his great selections? Did he basically change the WCO into a long ball, vertical passing attack when he never had adequate receivers to pull off such a major change. Was it his assistant, and dear friend, coach's new DC schemes put into play without adequate personal to execute them? Was it the loss of good players (like Rossum and Bidwell for example) to be replaced by Chattman and Sander? Was it playing Steele last year on the grounds that Bubba and Martin could not go deep? Was it his astute management of the the whole MM affair? Or perhaps believing that two rookies could really replace him? While any one of these facts is subject to a different viewpoint than mine, in total, I don't think they can all be denied and for me they point to a deficiency in MS's coaching ability. (Perhaps PN will side with those of you who think MS is a pretty good coach, because all of GB's problems are Brett Farve's fault (i.e., his 55% pass rating, or 6 interceptions, in playoff games). If this is't lunacy, plus an even better example of the misuse of statistics to create a huge lie, then I don't know what is. It should be noted here that even MS would not agree with PN on this point.

    The point of this reply is that we don't have to rely on cold, meaningless statistics (or maudlin sentiment) to determine if MS is a good coach or not. The truth is that he is in so far over his head that I still cannot phathom how he got both jobs in the first place. However, what's done is done. The object should now be to back TT and all current coaches, and see if we can win the Super Bowl this year. That should always be GB'S goal. We are not the most successful franchise in the NFL (12 championships) by hiring HC's like MS who believe winning divisional championships are just great or not winning Super Bowls is a matter of bad luck. Just once I want to hear him say that some mistake, any mistake, was his own fault. Does he really believe that by working too hard causes him to be less effective? Please tell me of any success story in America that did not invole somebody working their *** off. Come on Mike, get off that nonsense. If your not prepared to pay the price, then give it up. Finally, once again I want to say that I believe that MS is a good, decent, God fearing and church going man; but I also ask, again, what has that got to do with being a winning coach? Facts are facts, evidence is evidence, results are results; besides some meaningless statistic or some uninformed opinion, will somebody please tell me why MS should be retained beyond this year?


    you can also add....


    (No challange in the Falcon game..or Jet game. . . . 4th and 1 and the Packers denied . . . 4th and 1 and the Packers punt . . . 4th and 26 and the Packers . . . oops . . . 4th and Oh my god we're already behind the Vikings 14 - 0...etc)

    (THAT is why many people have serious questions about Mike Sherman, my uninformed Bill's fan....not because of one scrimmage....and your right...making a Game Plan is a large part of a HC's job...unfortunately..Sherman is not too good at that either...and he's even worse at making adjustments...)

    If it wasn't for Favre...Sherman's W/L record would be WAY different, and he would have been out of GB by now...i almost want to see TT retain Sherman after Favre retires so that all of you Sherman apologists could see how TERRIBLE a HC Mike Sherman really is.....but remember...i said "almost"....

    i care about the Pack too much to see this BOOB coach another year...(and he can take his hump Rossely with him too!)
     
  2. Chamuko

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    Please stop this Sherman crap, the GUY MADE STUPID DRAFT PICS AND LOST THE GAMES THAT REALLY HURT IN POST SEASON, bu he is not as bad as 66 and SW and Chase whant him to be, HE IS OUR HC NOW AND WE MUST GIVE HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT for this season, if he fails again in post season or if we have a very bad season, THEN AND ONLY THEN I will feel that it will be ok to ask for his head in the mean time GO PACKERS WITH SHERMAN AS HC AND MASTER BATES AT DC.... By the way Bates hasnt even had ONE regular game and this guys are kicking the **** out of him GIVE ME A BREAK !!!!
     
  3. musccy

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    I read a quote of this nature from you almost every day. "The Packers lost because Coach Sherman is a doofus." This is such a simplistic way to describe the outcome of a game. There are 40 some players that contribute to the effort, in addition to myriad coaches, scouts, x-factors (e.g. weather, an unfortunate bounce, etc.) yet what it all boils down to is, "sherman is a moron."

    Doesn't every team experience less success vs. stronger opponents?

    It'd probably be a lot better w/out those 4 picks vs. MN, 6 vs. the rams, 2 picks and a fumble vs. the falcons...
     
  4. P@ck66

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    ok musscy...

    didn't mean to disparage your "friend"...

    i'll tell you what..you can buy your buddy Sherman a beer and help him pack..when he inevitably has to leave town at the end of the season....

    (i can't believe that you can't see with your own eyes..what many other people see...not just me...but hey....must be fun to live in your rose-colored world....is it drug induced?....eat the bad mushrooms by mistake during deer season?)
     
  5. DePack

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    WOW....the hatred is unbelievable. Something tells me there is more than football to this. Maybe he stole your girlfriend or something. There is no reason such pure hatred for the man would be jumping off your keyboards unless it was personal.

    My condolences for your loss.
     
  6. musccy

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    Pack66...

    I'm not so much of an MS supporter as much as someone who feels the role of any particular coach, in most instances, is overrated.

    For example, the philly game (since it's easy to recall and debate)...you blame the game on MS because of 2 4th and 1s and the 4th and 26. So that's it...that's all that matters? Player execution and the other 60+ minutes of the game are insignificant?

    Is Sherman the best coach out there...maybe not...but something is working...he took an 8-8 team from Rhodes and has led it to 4 playoff appearances. "yeah, well look at the playoff record." To that I say, look at Brett's stats from those games.
     
  7. Anubis

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    P@ck66,

    You do realize that name calling does not make you seem any more intelligent, don't you? In fact, I have found name calling is generally the last bastion of someone who has completely lost a debate. You wouldn't be Steel Wheels/Chase posting under *yet another* pseudonym, would you?

    OK P@ck. Please tell us who YOU would hire as Head Coach if you had the power to fire Sherman. Sherman has taken an 8-8 team and given us 3 NFC Division Titles. To MOST people that does not in any way qualify him as inept. However, you have proved there are exceptions to every rule...

    Let's see what Sherman's win/loss record has been since he was named HC:

    2000 - 9-7
    2001 - 12-4
    2002 - 12-4
    2003 - 10-6
    2004 - 10-6

    Now you were saying that those records don't matter, rather it's HOME GAME wins that do? Do you even understand the most basic concept of how NFL standings work?

    Meaning.....?

    What truth? That winning teams win more often? What a revelation. :roll:

    So, you agree with PackerChatters in saying that even if Mike Sherman wins the Super Bowl he should still be replaced?

    That my friend, sums up exactly why no one is taking you seriously.

    GO PACK!

    Robert C. Hedley
     
  8. net

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    The entire discussion about Sherman at this time is pointless.

    He's around this year. I suspect if the team makes the playoffs he'll get an extension.

    Pack and Steel can diss him all they want. It isn't going to change a thing.

    This entire discussion was old a year ago....
     

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