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the RB problem?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Mortfini, Mar 8, 2007.

  1. Mortfini

    Mortfini Cheesehead

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    it apears that TT is not interestest in another rb as he has made no attempt to sign or make a rb even vist green bay

    now that most well knowen RB have signed for other teams i think we MUST make a big effort to sign dillon as i fell VERNAND MORENCY can not handle most of seasons carrys


    TY for your time mort
     
  2. Tiger

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    i'm sure TT will draft a RB on day1 at least.
     
  3. CaliforniaCheez

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    It will likely be a team strength this year.

    There is no need to panic.
     
  4. net

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    Henderson knew it was coming, and I think he and the team will part amicably.

    Lets see if I follow ol' Ted on this one:
    1)Don't want to jump into the early high-priced bidding wars. Gone are Green, Lewis, Henry, etc. The best of the free agents. Left to bid on are guys who were marginal with their former teams.

    2)The Packers main back is V. Morency. He was traded even up for Samkon Gado, who TT didn't like. TT's main back, Green, is now the main back in Texas.(Is Gado still there?) So we now have a main back who was swapped one-for-one for a guy who is still a backup to our FORMER GUY.

    3)TT said in another article he wants to build from within. Right now his starting back is a trade from Texas, his main backup was brought here from Pittsburgh's practice squad. Henderson is gone, so a practice squad guy can start and he's sniffing around Atlanta's former fullback. One out of four is building from within, I guess.

    4)As each day passes, I can't help but think both Peterson and Lynch will be gone by the time the Packers draft at 16. And as we all know, ol' Ted doesn't trade up. I read somewhere where he likes a guy who is likely to be picked in the fourth round. I can hear the NFL shaking.

    5)So, are we going to have a back as good as Ahman Green when the season starts in September? Look at Green's numbers and try to convince yourself that V. Morency can take the pounding and block, catch and run as A. Green did. Keep smokin' that stuff, as it dulls the pain.

    Ted Thompson: manager of the finest looking scrapyard in the NFL.
     
  5. millertime

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    i hate TT...

    i can't believe this argument is still going...

    we all clamorred at TT to resign Kampman last year... He did.

    we all wanted playmakers brought in last year... He got Woodson, Hawk, Jennings, and Pickett.

    we all want Cullen Jenkins brought back... He brought him back with a GOOD contract. He didn't overpay.

    we all wanted harris to get paid... TT paid him.

    OH NO!!! We didn't sign Corey Dillon yet! Corey Dillon is a shell of his former self.

    Whining about TT is getting old.

    I used to not like TT either. Then, I learned about how overspending in FA can kill you (ie. Browns, Vikings, Redskins, hell you could even throw the Cowboys in there)

    Let's all panic...
     
  6. Timmons

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    I agree Miller, blaming TT for what hasn't been finished yet, is early judgement. If we enter the 2007 season with no capable running backs, then we can look back and complain. I think TT has done more good for this team than harm, and I'm not going to complain about him until it's clear that he screwed something up. Passing on other teams FA's happens for many reasons of which we're not even aware.
     
  7. digsthepack

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    Sadly, society, and sports fans in particular, have the patience and impulse control of 2 year olds!!

    Bwaaaaawwwkkkkkk...the sky is falling, the sky is falling!!

    Same arguments made by the same fans last year, and all TT did was make one of the best hauls in the NFL.

    Let them graduate from ID to EGO sometime soon...their bitching for bitching's sake is growing old fast!
     
  8. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    :stop:

    If this were July then PANIC...its freaking March...

    Relax go play in the snow, go on vacation to a warm weather state, go hit your head on the wall....Do something OTHER then getting your panties in a bunch that no other RB are in for a visit..



    :rubeyes:
     
  9. porky88

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    He's going to do it via the Draft. I think that was his idea all the long. Whether it's Lynch in the 1st or a back like Leonard or Bush in the 2nd. Green's replacement will come via the Draft in my opinion. That's the one position I believe you can replace the easiest.

    However I'd prefer to bring someone else in as a veteran and compete. Chris Brown has been contacted but no visit was scheduled to this date that I know of.
     
  10. net

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    All I ask is to look at the landscape and tell me who is going to be the starting back on opening day?

    Is that back as good or better than Ahman Green?

    Ol' Ted is absolutely going to find someone to play running back. That isn't the question. The question is: are they good enough to play behind Brett Favre? Are they as good as a Pro Bowler?

    Think Favre enjoyed seeing his starting back walk away...WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO!?

    As of right now, Ted Thompson is 12-20 in two seasons at Green Bay. Just because he signed some people doesn't mean he's on track for anything except another 16 game season.

    Look at the strength of last year's schedule and then look at the 2007 schedule. Take off the Green and Gold colored glasses and sober up!
     
  11. porky88

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    Green hasn't played a full season in the last 3 years. He hasn't been a Pro Bowler in two years either. He was 19th in the NFL in rushing. The excuse he missed two games is a negative one. It shows his durability is a concern. Green was not as good as some think. He is not irreplaceable.
     
  12. all about da packers

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    Net, I think the answer to your question needs more time.

    Thus, it is too early either way to say the new RB will/won't be better than Green.

    Of course the Green we are talking about is the 2006 Green, one who wasn't as explosive as before. It shouldn't be that obsurd to think the young back we draft can give us a 1,000 yard season. A young back will offer more explosiveness/speed than Green, and should get better as the season goes on whereas Green shouldn't see dramatic improvement through each week.

    I do like your point about TT. At some point in time, the whole :building for the future" talk has to produce results. I still think he is this draft away from having his core solidified, so I'll give him one more year to mold this team. In 08, it better produce, or he should be fired.
     
  13. digsthepack

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    Letting AG go "when he didn't have to?" Mmmmm, yum, the Kool-Aid must be tasty when you suggest that the Packers should have signed Ahman Green for anything near what MS convinced the Texans he was worth.

    Let's go back in time and revisit the SB years of most recent vintage. We got there with 2 decent if unspectacular backs in the form of Edgar Bennett and Dorsey Levens. Please don't pretend thay were anything more than really decent backs.

    Is the starter currently on the roster? Perhaps one of them in Morency...and his complement has yet to be obtained.

    Marshawn Lynch, Tony Hunt, Michael Bush, Kenny Irons, Lorenzo Booker and several other draftable backs are possibilities; Arliss Beach and PJ Pope are already on the roster; and there are any one of a number of FAs who might fit the bill.

    Remember, RB is the easiest position to transition from college to the pros, and the most easily replaceable part of a football team.

    I hate to imagine how some of you folks will react when Favre finally hangs them up!
     
  14. Pack93z

    Pack93z You retired too? .... Not me. I'm in my prime

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    From Fox sports rumors...

    There are whispers the Packers have some interest in Ladell Betts of the Washington Redskins. Betts, 27, had a pretty non-descript pro career until last season when he stared the last seven games for Clinton Portis, who had a fractured hand.


    To me the Betts in the second half of last year would give us a little more bench strength and protection if the Draft falls away from us in regards to the RB position. Thoughts...
     
  15. HatestheEagles084

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    This is a great post, I'll post it again so more people can read it...

    Travis Henry didn't want to go anywhere but Denver--WHO CAN BLAME HIM, any running back can run for 1,000 under Shanahan, let alone a RB with skill

    Dan Graham, Adalius Thomas, Nate Clements all got ridiculous contracts--miller time raises a GREAT point about not overspending

    Randy McMichael went to St. Louis, whatever

    Jamal Lewis is on the decline

    Ahman Green is on the decline and not worht $6 million a year

    Last year we waited till what, April, and got one of the better signings in Woodson

    It's frustrating to watch all of the FA's get signed, I know, but hold on...I'm sticking to my guns and saying that the most important FA to go after is Justin Griffith because good fullbacks don't come easily...if we add a solid blocking fullback behind a developing offensive line, the running back qualifications are a lot less necessary...
     
  16. tabojc03

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    I agree with the fullback assumption. Looking back we never really had a solid running game till Hendo replaced Levins at fullback. (Yes Levins was the fullback for those of you who forgot, who replaced Edgar Bennett, who replaced Harry Sidney)..I think fullback is important and even Harry Sidney said on the radio that he was not impressed with Miree. With that being said Grifith might be some small signing compared to the rest of the NFL but it might be the most important signing of this offseason even if we sign others to more lucrative deals.
     
  17. net

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    Are any...repeat any...of those running backs you named veterans? Pro Bowlers? 1000+ yard runners capable of good blocking and great receiving like Green? All rookies or unproven.

    McGahee signs with Baltimore...Lewis with Cleveland...Minor signs..

    I keep telling you Ted is first and foremost a tightwad. He firmly believes he can find a Pro Bowler under a cabbage leaf. The big-money signings were only after he couldn't find a cheaper alternative.

    As I *suggested*--(as the Bears are doing with Briggs) the Packers could have franchised Green this year for less money than Texas paid him. Then they could have worked out a deal next year. At least they would have a dependable running back familar with the system.

    I'm sure Brett is cheering in Mississippi---"go Ted!..hire more rookies"
     
  18. tromadz

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    yep, he doesn't plan on picking up a RB or drafting one. Let's base that off of not even 1 week of free agency. :thumbsup:





    :sucks:
     
  19. paxvogel

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    TJ Duckett would be a good fit here, why not interview him. He is a short yardage back with speed that could play first couple of plays then Morency as third down specialist. To say a rookie RB could come right in and be a quality starter is absurd. Look at the last five years and see you was. Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, C. Williams, C benson. All the best rated backs in the draft take a year or two to develop. And the top two backs in this draft will be gone unless we move up. I can't see either one getting past Houston and Buffalo, especially with McGahee gone.
     
  20. bozz_2006

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    why does everyone keep calling ted a tightwad? it's not like it's his money.
     
  21. porky88

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    Your making Green out to be much more than what he really is. He is not any of those things any longer. Like I stated above he hasn't made the Pro Bowl in 2 years and hasn't played a full season in 2 years. 19th in rushing is not that great. While you can critcize Ted Thompson all you want don't make Green out to be one of the 6 best backs in the NFL. That he is not.

    The Colts let go of James last year and drafted Addai in the 1st round. The result was a Super Bowl. Backs aren't don't carry as much value as previous thought and it's a trend that's taking place more and more in the NFL.
     
  22. Raider Pride

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    I think T.T. is reading P.P.

    I DO NOT AGREE WITH A GREAT DEAL OF SPORTS WITERS.... Simply becuase far too often they seem to be selling a story that will get reaction.

    However.... If you are a Packer Fan and cncerned about what they are doing to address the challenge then take 3 minutes TO READ THIS IN FULL.

    IT WILL END ALL CONVERSATION ON THE PACKERS R.B. WORRIES.

    http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10047765

    R.P.
     
  23. longtimefan

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    Did anyone know that for what the texans paid for Green they could have locked up Bush for at least 3 years??

    LOL
     
  24. Greg C.

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    Duckett was traded away by Atlanta last year specifically because he did not fit in with the zone blocking scheme. That's what I read, anyway. So I think he would be the least likely candidate to replace Ahman Green.

    Like most people here, I am not panicking about the RB situation. Morency can be a good complementary back. We have yet to see who his complement is, which maybe isn't so hard to believe, considering that we are one week into the free agency period.

    Last year at this time, Ahmad Carroll was one of our starting cornerbacks....
     
  25. porky88

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    Carnell Williams was rookie of the year his rookie year. He ran for over 1000 yards and the Buccaneers won the NFC South Division Title.

    Joseph Addai had over 1000 yards and 7 touchdowns. The Colts won the Super Bowl. In fact Addai's numbers were better than Green's this year.

    Maurice Jones-Drew had over 2000 total yards and 18 total touchdowns including 940 yards rushing and 13 rushing touchdowns.

    Reggie Bush had over 1000 total yards and 12 total touchdowns.

    Those are recent examples.

    Ladainian Tomlinson ran for 1200 yards and 10 touchdowns his rookie year. Ronnie Brown had 900 yards and 4 touchdowns his rookie year with a 4.4 average.

    It's far from absurd to say rookie backs can have success. Running back is actually the one position teams rely on to have success early on from college to pro.
     

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