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Thanks, Javon.

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Zero2Cool, Apr 30, 2006.

  1. bozz_2006

    bozz_2006 Cheesehead

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    I'd love to have a kick-*** Tackle. and sign Faneca too.
     
  2. wils0646

    wils0646 Cheesehead

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    Yea...

    Colledge doesn't look right at the guard position. But neither did Mike Wahle or Rivera. I'd say the jury is still out on him. Jolly started on the D-line before he got hurt. A very, very good 6th round pick. We also got Blackmon, who should be our punt/kick returner+nickel/dime CB for years. Honestly, you're really cynical.

    Are you still one of those anti-TT guys?

    I mean, look at our WR core without Javon...don't you think keeping this WR group together and getting a few extra starters is better than having only injury-prone Javon?
     
  3. KGB94SACKEM

    KGB94SACKEM Cheesehead

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    I'm not anti-TT at all but I do think we still screwed up letting Javon go. I like Jennings but man when healthy Javon is a beast.

    My problem is noone was bringing up posts like this last year when Javon started all 16 games and caught 8 TD's and over 1000 yards. Now, 2 years later when Javon is injured peoplw want to start rejoicing in letting him go.

    I believe Jolly is on the IR. I believe Will Blackmon is injured quite a bit to. Does that make them Injury Prone as well?

    so to me it's

    Javon - 1000 yard reciever when healthy, but has struggled with injuries

    vs.

    Colledge - Gives us nothing
    Blackmon - Decent player when healthy, def. not an all-pro
    Ingle - Yeah......
    Jolly - IR in a spot where we have enough able bodies
    Culver - Another IR player


    I still think I would take the 1000 yard reciever over all those average IR players. It has nothing to do with TT, just an opinion
     
  4. MassPackersFan

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    Why do you write off Jolly because of injury and not Walker? Just curious.

    And you're wrong about Colledge. People are jumping off that bandwagon WAY WAY too early. Even if Spitz and Coston emerge as our starting guards, Colledge will replace Clifton sooner rather than later. Poor Cliffy is struggling every game with those knees.
     
  5. wils0646

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    Yea, I don't understand why you're discounting the people that are injured when Walker is the same. Also, why do you call Walker a 1000-yd. receiver when he hasn't come close to that this year? You can't even call him an all-pro anymore because people don't know how strong he'll come back from these injuries. He may not be a "beast" anymore.
     
  6. MassPackersFan

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    Not to mention he fell disappointingly short of being a "team player", which is what this current team is built around. He may be good but he sure as hell ain't a Packer.
     
  7. Zombieslayer

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    The thing is, he seems like he's starting to "grow up" and realize that football is a team sport. The thing is, it's too late. We don't need him any more. I'd take '07 Greg Jennings over '07 Javon Walker, even if Walker wasn't injured.

    It really is a shame. I loved watching Walker in '02 and '03.
     
  8. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    Is it necessary to generalize? I know for a fact I brought up Javon several times and his success. He is my favorite receiver although its being heavily contested by Greg.
     
  9. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    KGB knowns your a Walker fan..Cuz as he stated b4..He used to read the board ALL the time but never posted
     
  10. wils0646

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    Javon was awesome in '02 and '03 and I loved watching him play. I hoped he would stay on the team after those years. But he's gone now and we're fortunate to have good WRs without him.

    Just think though...we may not have Greg Jennings if it weren't for Javon being traded. I have no regrets now that he's gone.
     
  11. Bobby Roberts

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    I'd take a healthy Walker over a healthy Jennings easily, 2007 versions. Denver has struggled this year because their best player, Walker, is injured.

    That being said, as I stated eariler, it sucks that we had to lose Walker, but TT got the most he could out of him at the time. The key factor was team chemistry and in order to improve it, guys like Walker and Hunt had to go. The team is bigger than the individual. For awhile, Walker forgot that concept and it was bringing him and the team down. Cutting ties was the only real option.

    As for the speculation that Walker is going to be cut, for one I doubt it. Second, it's doubtful he would come back to GB. We have great young WR depth right now and although Walker would improve our WR talent, it's not worth the cost IMHO. He would be an expensive FA and we're better off using the money elsewhere.

    Walker is a great player and I wish him well, just not when he plays against GB!

    GO PACK GO!!!
     
  12. pack_in_black

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    As things stand right now, with J-walk owed something like 14 mil next year, I'd be shocked to see him still with the team, barring a restructured incentive-laden contract.

    Can anyone tell me how we got the Gregarious Pick? I keep thinking that was a spin-off of the Walker/Denver pick?
     
  13. Zombieslayer

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    Bobby - I don't claim to be the resident expert in WRs, but from Favre's new throwing style, I think Jennings fits it better. Like I said earlier in this post, Walker is probably #2 best WR in the NFL for jump balls. Favre doesn't throw those any more (with that one TD to Jennings against the Raiders as an exception, but that wasn't meant to be one).

    Favre's style is more throw routes that allow WRs to get YAC. That's where Jennings is better than Walker.
     
  14. porky88

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    I'd take Jennings over Javon Walker any day. Jennings is vastly ahead of Walker in every category this year. Granted Walker was last year but Jennings was a rookie. Compare Jennings to Walker in their first 2 seasons and it's not even close.

    Here are a few more reasons why.....

    Jennings - 11 touchdowns this year
    Walker's career high 12.

    Jennings 24 years old.
    Walker 29.

    Jennings 17.7 yards per catch.
    Walker's best was 17.5.

    We have room for growth with Greg Jennings. Walker is basically in his prime.

    Plus do people keep forgetting it was Walker who said he'd never play with Brett Favre again.

    Think Greg Jennings ever says that?
     
  15. cheesey

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    I don't see the Packers wanting Walker back here, after the "show" he put on to get out of here.
     
  16. KGB94SACKEM

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    That was my point. You are writing off Javon cause he is injured this year but saying "look at the plyers we got from him" when they have injury problems themselves. The difference is Javon has actually shown he can play.

    I love Jennings but if I had to pick between the two I'll take J-walk. Best case scenario we got DD, GJ AND J-WALK.
     
  17. KGB94SACKEM

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    Shooo, I'm glad Colledge is going to be good because you said so. I will sleep easier tonight knowing MassPackerFan from PackerForum said so.
     
  18. Zombieslayer

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    KGB - Not trying to argue, but wondering why you'd take Walker over Jennings right now (hypothetically if Walker isn't injured).

    Walker's advantages - taller, excellent jumper, very fast

    Jennings' advantages - he may be technically slower, but game speed, there's really nobody faster than Jennings. he just turns on the juice and he's gone. For our type of passing attack, Jennings is more dangerous than just about anyone out there. he takes a short slant and takes it to the house. Also, Jennings is a team player. He's not an ego case. He's better for our locker room.

    Like someone else said, Walker's best TD year he had 12. Jennings should pass 12 this year, and that's only playing 14 games. Jennings is a TD machine.
     
  19. tromadz

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    I think GJ and Walker are pretty close in skills.

    The X factor is one is a jackass and the other is a class act YOUNG man, not a 29 year old jerk with knee problems.
     
  20. KGB94SACKEM

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    Correct if I'm wrong but hasn't GJ had some injuries himself. And lets not forget J-Walk was a class act to in his 2nd year
     
  21. tromadz

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    Yup.

    But are you hinting that GJ might turn into a jerk?

    I doubt it. Even when JWalk was classy, he had that douchebag of an agent, and that douchebag of a friend\training partner, TO.

    GJ just had Donald "Hard Work 24\7" Driver.

    I'll take GJ and like the way things worked out.
     
  22. NDPackerFan

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    I'll second that. I also think James Jones is well on his way to being a great NFL receiver and is a class act. When I was at the Panther-Packer game this year, he was actually walking around in the Packer pro shop. Everyone kind of left him alone too, which I thought was cool. I was looking at sweatshirts and out of the corner of my eye, I caught this really tall guy standing next to me looking at them too. I looked over and it was #89. I told him 'good luck at the game' and he said 'thanks. I appreciate it a lot'. Very cool
     
  23. KGB94SACKEM

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    I like GJ to, but he would look darn good with DD and J-Walk beside him. GJ had nothing to do with Javon anyway. Colledge did however. Now let's compare J-Walk with the stud that is Daryn Colledge
     
  24. NDPackerFan

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    OK, how about this...neither J-Walk nor Colledge are contributing to the Packers right now. Good enough comparison?
     
  25. tromadz

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    Too early to judge. How a player plays in his 2nd year at his unnatural position isn't the tell-all.

    They say the third year is the year to judge that stuff by. It took Clifton\Tauscher a couple years to get their game together. That worked out well.

    He at least showed SOME improvement over his very short career.
     

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