Team Changes for Next Season

[tynimiller]

That's what I was thinking too. So 3 starters from last year will be gone.... LT, C, and was Rhyan starting RG?

I still think Rhyan is the most likely to be here because he isn't going to cost a lot persay, and could be C or could be RG.

 

[tynimiller]

Sounds like we need a higher end center. What the draft look like for guys 2nd through 4th tyni.

I will add Coogan from IU is worthy of consideration as well. Got a couple 6th round or so guys I actually don't dislike but won't bore folks with late round guys

 

[gopkrs]

$34m of Banks $47 mil is dead cap if he isn't on the team the next two years. Like it or not, he is the left guard for two years IMO.

But if there is someone better; he should be a backup contract or not

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Jenkins is absolutely not going to be here if I were to have to place confidence rating I'd say 90% or better.

What kind of money do you think walker and Rhyan will bring in free agency?

 

[gopkrs]

I think Musgrave, imho, is better than his stats. He should be a receiving TE and not those pitiful 2 or 3 yarders we are so in love with. I think the same, that we did not use him Golden well.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I still think Rhyan is the most likely to be here because he isn't going to cost a lot persay, and could be C or could be RG.

Good I hate to see rhyan go. Walker too for that matter. Curious what walker will get in free agency?

Could walker and rhyan be kept for the $20 mil savings from dropping jenkins?

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Sounds like we need a higher end center. What the draft look like for guys 2nd through 4th tyni.

I thought rhyan looked good at center for an anchor. I'm not a fan of the 300 pound or under centers....

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I think Musgrave, imho, is better than his stats. He should be a receiving TE and not those pitiful 2 or 3 yarders we are so in love with. I think the same, that we did not use him Golden well.

I agree. Kraft/Musgrave is a great diverse combo for being able to run or pass out of a two TE set....

 

[El Guapo]

I think that we need to let Walker go - he played pretty mediocre overall and like garbage if you consider that he was playing for a contract. That said, we need a good backup plan (veteran) for LT in case of injury to bad play by Morgan.

If we're going to spend money on the OL, it's Rhyan for sure. He's versatile and could be our center. Assuming Jenkins is gone, we only have Monk.

 

[milani]

MLF has a 2-1 win-loss ratio as a young coach.... He will be a great coach for 20+ years if he chooses to. A living legend if he stays here ....
GB would be stupid to not keep him.

I think Parsons and Diggs are going to raise the level of violence on defense... Listening to him talk about, "everyone will be expected to do their job plus some".... And Diggs is kind of like the Robin to Parsons Batman. The guy who benefits from parsons terrorizing QBs ... Robin is there closing off the outlets, cleaning up. Those two are big physical guys who can single handedly raise the level of play with leading by example... IMO.

That said. I think MLF needs to embrace the violence along with Batman and Robin. Drive it home with some good old fashioned fear. Lol. Bill belicheck style. .

Like.... McManus..... He should've been fired and not allowed back in the locker room. Escorted out of the building ... Lol. Set a precedent. That loss called for some irrational anger.... Broken chit..... So that crazy eyes works next year..... release the fury!!!! IMO lol

What we have here is a number of Packer fans who are disgruntled in years we fail to get to or win the SB. Or even make the playoffs. So the instinct is to fire the coach. The Packer front office is not Jerry Jones. Decisions are made more carefully and the fan base is not who makes those decisions. So do not expect the Black Monday.
Looking at terminations, the Packers had a rough season in 2018. MM got axed with 2 games to go. Murphy got mad.
The day after the 2005 season ended Mike Sherman was let go. The team was 4-12 with lots of injuries, although Ted Thompson was partly to blame but he did not fire himself. He just hired MM.
Ray Rhodes was fired right after the 1999 season even though the team had .500 year. Wolf went to the sideline for a game and realized that Rhodes had little grasp for the operation of an entire unit.
Mike Holmgren left on his own after the 1998 season for greener pastures. And, of course, the laundry list since Lombardi is well documented.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Letting Jenkins, Ryan and Rasheed Walker go would be a tall order to replace. While Ryhan needs to improve his pass blocking as a center, it makes more sense to keep him and draft an inside O lineman somewhere in rounds 3-5.

If that rookie turns out to be the next Corey Lindsley, great, you can move Ryhan back to guard. Otherwise, Ryan can start at center and the rookie can be a back up. What makes little sense is to let Ryhan go and expect a rookie to walk in, have a starting position handed to him, and play well. That's a rare feat.

 

[gopkrs]

Man does the big center from Indiana look good

 

[Sanguine camper]

Man does the big center from Indiana look good

Do you think he makes it to pick #52? Being a center, it could happen. No way if he were an OT.

While the Packers are desperate for a run stuffing IDL, you can never have enough good offensive linemen. If a great O line prospect falls to #52, I'd be happy to see O line.

Last year, I was juiced about the Belton pick in the second round. Some people had heartburn but you win in the trenches.

 

[tynimiller]

Do you think he makes it to pick #52? Being a center, it could happen. No way if he were an OT.

While the Packers are desperate for a run stuffing IDL, you can never have enough good offensive linemen. If a great O line prospect falls to #52, I'd be happy to see O line.

Last year, I was juiced about the Belton pick in the second round. Some people had heartburn but you win in the trenches.

Make it to 52? Most don’t have him in their top 100

 

[Pkrjones]

Make it to 52? Most don’t have him in their top 100

Right now on Draft Buzz Pat Coogan (IU Center - 6'-5", 310lbs) is listed as #6 rated OC, #36 OL, & #176 overall. That puts him in 4th/5th round, but he'll probably go a little higher with Championship exposure & another solid game.

 

[tynimiller]

Right now on Draft Buzz Pat Coogan (IU Center - 6'-5", 310lbs) is listed as #6 rated OC, #36 OL, & #176 overall. That puts him in 4th/5th round, but he'll probably go a little higher with Championship exposure & another solid game.

One thing the league and teams have taught or should have taught fans is unlike them how far a team gets isn't going to change the player. He is for sure in the that 4th - 8th best center and you're right on round probability IMO which is why I said what I said.

 

[gopkrs]

I'm only saying on the plays they showed him on, the Indiana center looked huge and strong. And pushing people around. I am sure we'll give him a very good going over since it sounds like he'll be there when we pick. Whoever we pick, I hope it isn't a priority for the player to play guard and tackle. Sounds good but has not worked out well for us imo. We end up with a mediocre overall line.

 

[tynimiller]

History would have to say by our pick only a couple centers will be gone most likely. Shoot some years the first one doesn't go till second round even.

 

[gopkrs]

Imagine if we had done a better job of picking a center a few years ago. Could have made all the difference. And it was right there for us. Although I'm assuming we actually have a good line coach which also makes a huge difference. Lombardi knew a lot about O line. I'd bet he never left everything to his O line coach. If he wasn't seeing what he wanted; no doubt in my mind he made changes. Else how could he talk, according to John Madden, for hours only on The Power Sweep?

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I'm only saying on the plays they showed him on, the Indiana center looked huge and strong. And pushing people around. I am sure we'll give him a very good going over since it sounds like he'll be there when we pick. Whoever we pick, I hope it isn't a priority for the player to play guard and tackle. Sounds good but has not worked out well for us imo. We end up with a mediocre overall line.

Coach and QB aside for Indiana. There has to be some under rated players on the roster, to get to where they are. The trenches most likely ....

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Imagine if we had done a better job of picking a center a few years ago. Could have made all the difference. And it was right there for us. Although I'm assuming we actually have a good line coach which also makes a huge difference. Lombardi knew a lot about O line. I'd bet he never left everything to his O line coach. If he wasn't seeing what he wanted; no doubt in my mind he made changes. Else how could he talk, according to John Madden, for hours only on The Power Sweep?

Jenkins is making $20+ mil a year the last 3 years on average. $24 mil this coming year.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Here are the easy cuts, IMO, with Pre and Post 6/1 cut cap savings:
Gary - $11.0MM, $19.5MM
Jenkins - $19.5MM, $19.5MM
Diggs - $15.0MM, $15.0MM

And some other potentials to consider:
Banks - $4.5MM, $18.0MM
Nixon - $5.0MM, $5.0MM

As you can see, if you're looking to cut cap, this is some obvious places to start. Jenkins, Diggs, and Nixon are the same cap number regardless so you could cut them right away if that's the decision you were going. Those 3 would save $40 million from the jump. If you waited post 6/1 for Gary and Banks, those 2 would clear another almost $40 million of additional cap.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Banks Nixon and Diggs performance wise are the easiest cuts on this list

 

[OldSchool101]

Here are the easy cuts, IMO, with Pre and Post 6/1 cut cap savings:
Gary - $11.0MM, $19.5MM
Jenkins - $19.5MM, $19.5MM
Diggs - $15.0MM, $15.0MM

And some other potentials to consider:
Banks - $4.5MM, $18.0MM
Nixon - $5.0MM, $5.0MM

As you can see, if you're looking to cut cap, this is some obvious places to start. Jenkins, Diggs, and Nixon are the same cap number regardless so you could cut them right away if that's the decision you were going. Those 3 would save $40 million from the jump. If you waited post 6/1 for Gary and Banks, those 2 would clear another almost $40 million of additional cap.

Good information.

The only thing I would offer is to not use these figures as gospel. First of all several players have Roster bonus $ tied to their respective contracts. So the current cap futures change when the league year starts and those monies activate. I’m not positive those roster incentives are calculated in that post June figure you might know better than me, but I’m guessing not because they are not a factor until starting 2026 (March 2026 etc)
Also in many cases the reason the Cap $ changes drastically post and pre June is because of, the obvious, it allows a removal of the 2026 Capital $$ hit. Many times it’s still there. Meaning you’re pushing $5,10,$15mil into 2027 (or beyond with void years) and it’s added to sunk $$.

Now that said. I’m not saying not to. I’m also not saying it can’t be done because it obviously can be done.
Yet often with larger disparity cap $$ seemingly “disappearing”, it’s really not disappearing as we’d still factoring Aaron’s cap hit spread across 2026-27 seasons (or beyond if there’s void years setup) So we pay it but it’s more similar to a 0% loan deferment, so it’s not free $$ if that makes sense.

It’s a massive blow to next year but the reasons it can happen is because the Capital cost of funds (as a %) lowers as each league years goes by because of the effective of deflating % to the total capital $$ limits. Unless there is no league Cap increase in a given year.

Now that said, there IS still a strategic advantage in having options in spreading $$ capital hits. This would be Particularly advantageous in a win now. So then we ask ourselves are we in a “win now”?? I think our signing Micah pretty much sums up that our financial officers were instructed by the Packers Brass that they feel we are in a win now environment. So regardless how I personally feel, it’s very apparent pushing $$ is on the table for the Packers Brass. Contracts like Banks’ contract is still an ugly financial move. As with many contracts the “contract out” gets easier with each passing year.

I made this same mistake on Banks status mostly out of some disappointment and wanting to erase this mistake, but Poker reminded me of this push effect. So I’ve changed my mind on Banks, I think we’ll keep him but mainly he’s pedestrian level and it would be a large financial loss and we’re really not guaranteed if we pay both him and his successor that the results will be that much better.

 

[mradtke66]

Nixon - $5.0MM, $5.0MM

I get being annoyed with his hot headed play, but Jeeze guys. 5M for a CB that at least hold up at CB1 is basically theft.