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Some Statistics to Ponder about ...

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Quientus, Dec 29, 2009.

  1. Quientus

    Quientus Oenophile

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    I'm starting to believe that you really don't understand ... I mean ... read what you write ? It's so tragic that it borders to being actual comical ...

    - There is almost no other quarterback in the league that wins (in general) as much as Favre does and has done ... - So why are you still "blinded" by "hatred" ? - Why can't you just acknowledge that he *still* "has it" ? - Even at age 40+ ...


    Regardless, I found these stats ... - Should give you all something to ponder about ...

    These are the stats for each quarterback (mentioned) during the months of December and January ... as well as the seasonal averages for comparison ... - Hmmm seems like Favre is far from being the only quarterback with "December Woes" ...


    December:

    Favre: GP 75 / 51 W 24 L / Cmp% 60.9 / 115 Td 86 Int / Rate 82.4 / Yds/G 234.2
    2009: GP 4 / 1 W 3 L / Cmp% 63.4% / 5 Td 4 Int / Rate 84.6 / Yds/G 253.0
    Season: GP 15 / 11 W 4 L / Cmp% 67.6 / 29 Td 7 Int / Rate 104.3 / Yds/G 259.1


    P. Manning: GP 52 / 34 W 18 L / Cmp% 65.8% / 92 Td 38 Int / Rate 98.5 / Yds/G 256.0
    2009: GP 4 / 3 W 1 L / Cmp% 62.3 / 9 Td 4 Int / Rate 96.0 / Yds/G 247.5
    Season: GP 15 / 14 W 1 L / Cmp% 68.5 / 33 Td 15 Int / Rate 101.0 / Yds/G 293.7


    Marino: GP 58 / 33 W 25 L / Cmp% 59.7 / 110 Td 62 Int / Rate 87.1 / Yds/G 272.5
    1999: GP 4 / 1 W 3 L / Cmp% 56.6 / 6 Td 6 Int / Rate 73.0 / Yds/G 266.0
    Season ('99): GP 11 / 5 W 6 L / Cmp% 55.3 / 12 Td 17 Int / Rate 67.4 / Yds/G 222.5


    Elway:
    GP 55 / 30 W 25 L / Cmp% 55.9 / 64 Td 68 Int / Rate 73.5 / Yds/G 224.2
    1998: GP 4 / 2 W 2 L / Cmp% 57.1 / 6 Td 4 Int / Rate 83.9 / Yds/G 267.3
    Season ('98 ):
    GP 13 / 11 W 2 L / Cmp% 59.0 / 22 Td 10 Int / Rate 93.0 / Yds/G 215.8

    Brady:
    GP 34 / 29 W 5 L / Cmp% 62.7 / 51 Td 23 Int / Rate 90.3 / Yds/G 215.7
    2009: GP 4 / 3 W 1 L / Cmp% 65.5 / 8 Td 4 Int / Rate 100.8 / Yds/G 231.5
    Season: GP 15 / 10 W 5 L / Cmp% 65.7 / 28 Td 12 Int / Rate 97.4 / Yds/G 280.8

    Brees:
    GP 35 / 16 W 19 L / Cmp% 63.9 / 55 Td 24 Int / Rate 90.8 / Yds/G 237.5
    2009: GP 4 / 2 W 2 L / Cmp% 74.3 / 7 Td 2 Int / Rate 103.7 / Yds/G 317.8
    Season: GP 15 / 13 W 2 L / Cmp% 70.6 / 34 Td 11 Int / Rate 109.6 / Yds/G 292.5

    Rodgers:
    GP 9 / 4 W 5 L / Cmp% 61.0 / 15 Td 6 Int / Rate 95.3 / Yds/G 252.1
    2009: GP 4 / 3 W 1 L / Cmp% 59.3 / 7 Td 2 Int / Rate 95.4 / Yds/G 265.8
    Season: GP 15 / 10 W 5 L / Cmp% 63.9 / 29 Td 7 Int / Rate 102.4 / Yds/G 279.9

    Romo:
    GP 21 / 9 W 12 L / Cmp% 61.3 / 21 Td 20 Int / Rate 80.3 / Yds/G 201.6
    2009:
    GP 4 / 2 W 2 L / Cmp% 68.2 / 7 Td 1 Int / Rate 104.0 / Yds/G 309.8
    Season:
    GP 15 / 10 W 5 L / Cmp% 62.6 / 24 Td 8 Int / Rate 97.0 / Yds/G 278.1
    (So much for Romo's "December Woes" ... ? - eh ?)

    January:

    Favre: GP 5 / 4 W 1 L / Cmp% 58.9 / 8 Td 6 Int / Rate 87.4 / Yds/G 254.2

    P. Manning: GP 4 / 2 W 2 L / Cmp% 57.1 / 2 Td 1 Int / Rate 77.8 / Yds/G 91.3

    Marino: GP 1 / 0 W 1 L / Cmp% 45.8 / 0 Td 1 Int / Rate 43.4 / Yds/G 118.0

    Elway:
    GP 1 / 0 W 1 L / Cmp% 69.4 / 3 Td 0 Int / Rate 129.5 / Yds/G 361.0

    Brady:
    GP 3 / 2 W 1 L / Cmp% 62.7 / 4 Td 4 Int / Rate 78.0 / Yds/G 153.7

    Brees:
    N/A (Haven't played any games in January so far in his Career)

    Rodgers: N/A (Haven't played any games in January so far in his Career)

    Romo: N/A (Haven't played any games in January so far in his Career)

    Play Off Games:

    Favre: GP 22 / 12 W 10 L / Cmp% 60.7 / 39 Td 28 Int / Rate 85.2 / Yds/G 241.4
    2009: N/A - for obvious reasons
    19 Seasons

    P. Manning: GP 15 / 7 W 8 L / Cmp% 61.7 / 22 Td 17 Int / Rate 85.0 / Yds/G 280.5
    2009: N/A - for obvious reasons
    12 Seasons

    Marino: GP 18 / 8 W 10 L / Cmp% 56.0 / 32 Td 24 Int / Rate 77.1 / Yds/G 250.6
    17 Seasons

    Elway:
    GP 22 / 14 W 8 L / Cmp% 54.5 / 27 Td 21 Int / Rate 79.7 / Yds/G 225.6
    16 Seasons


    Brady:
    GP 17 / 14 W 3 L / Cmp% 62.5 / 26 Td 12 Int / Rate 88.0 / Yds/G 232.6
    2009: N/A - for obvious reasons
    9 Seasons


    Brees:
    GP 3 / 1 W 2 L / Cmp% 63.4 / 5 Td 2 Int / Rate 92.7 / Yds/G 305.3
    2009: N/A - for obvious reasons
    8 Seasons


    Rodgers: N/A
    2009: N/A - for obvious reasons
    2 Seasons

    Romo: GP 2 / 0 W 2 L / Cmp% 53.8 / 2 Td 1 Int / Rate 75.8 / Yds/G 195.0
    2009: N/A - for obvious reasons
    5 Seasons


    For Full statistical break downs and more Click Here ...


    Or ... Could it simply be that it's actual only the "Natural order" of things that players actually perform slightly (statwise) worse at the end of a (long) season in general across the board ? ... But then again ... how can that be ??? ... Should only be Favre that has "December Woes" ? Right ?

    - Something to ponder about ...


    *Edit* - Since I know people are going to bring it up anyway, I am adding the statistics from the 2 last play off games Favre played (while playing for the Packers ...), conviently ... Most people always seem to forget the Seattle Game when mentioning that year ...;


    Against Seattle (12th of January 2008 ):

    Cmp% 78.3 - 3 Td 0 Int - Rating 137.6 - 173 Yds

    Against New York Giants, one week later (20th of January 2008 ):

    Cmp% 54.3 - 2 Td 2 Int - Rating 70.7 - 236 Yds


    Both games were played under cold conditions ... - Perhaps losing the game had more to do with how everyone on that field was looking that night, than anything else ... ???
     
  2. Hauschild

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    Damn you Quentius! Damn you to hell!!!
     
  3. angryguy77

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    I always wondered how the other QbS played in that month. Where did you find that?

    I have to say this is an awsome break down
     
  4. angryguy77

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    Funny how this thread is so quiet.......
     
  5. ThinkICare

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    It is a nice breakdown and I wasn't aware of these stats.
     
  6. Incubes12

    Incubes12 Bay Harbor Butcher?

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    Just thought I'd point out again, that regardless of how Favre played, the team lost for a number of reasons. Favre can throw up all the stats he wants in the playoffs, but unless those problems are accounted for, Vikies should be worried about fluke games like last night's. With the talent they have, they should NOT have lost that game last night. Something serious is going on in the metrodome.
     
  7. Quientus

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    Yeah, *chuckles* ... I was thinking the exact same thing ...


    *Edit*


    That's exactly what some of us have been saying all along ... - Context ...

    But have to give credit as well to the Bears ... - The Bears did play rather well ... But was actually getting pounded in the 2nd half, all though that wasn't enough for Minnesota to get the win in the end ...
     
  8. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    All I have to say is that as everyone has stated time and time again he gives the team the best chance, but when it comes to getting to the SB he hasnt done that for 11 years

    2008 missed playoffs
     
  9. YoKramer

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    well so far all you have really proved with this thread is Rodgers has played better than Favre in December.
     
  10. Hauschild

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    Let me get this straight - early in the season, Favre was washed up and couldn't lead Minnesota anywhere. After he dismantled the Packers' defense, the battle cry went to holding out for December, when Favre breaks down and sucks. Now, that Brett made it apparent for everybody in America to see that he's fine in the cold, now the Vikings entire supporting cast sucks. Wow - my spinning head!

    I've been saying all year the Vikings have an average O-line and awful secondary, and it only took you guys 15 games to come to the same conclusion.

    The Vikings aren't the best the NFL has to offer, but when their coach is serious about giving his team the best chance to win, they're pretty tough because they can put up 30 points in two quarters. The defense always sucked and we knew that, but they seem to thrive against Green Bay's O-line.

    Rip on Minnesota, but be careful what you wish for because facing Minnesota again this season means going to the dome, where they remain the only undefeated NFL team at home this year.
     
  11. Hauschild

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    Classic! Absolutely classic!!!

    I swear I couldn't do a better job of back-tracking my arguments if I tried.
     
  12. CM_Awesome

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    So Favre finally has a good game again in the cold weather, and all the sudden he's Jack Frost?
     
  13. YoKramer

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    So what then are you trying to prove? That Favre cant lead a team to the superbowl? that hes not the best QB based on the stats you provided? Sounds to me that you are the one backtracking good sir.
     
  14. angryguy77

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    Look at the stats. Using these wouldn't be apparent that non of the good QB's are 'jack frost"
     
  15. Quientus

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    Actually that would depend how you look at it ... - If you take a look at Favre's "December Stats" he is actually performing better than he usually does, which would mean an improvement ... - Where as Rodgers actually has performed (statwise) poorer in some aspects, in comparison to his "average" "December Stats" ...

    If you look at the stats, try to see the pattern instead of just singling out something that just (inccidently) supports your arguement here ... - Again I'm talking about context - In this case the context of the stats (not the games themselves) ... And the pattern is that it is *NOT* only Favre that has decline in stats, but pretty much EVERY quarterback in the league, when you compare their stats to their season average ...

    Not sure I can simplify it more for you ... - In any case, if you can't see it by now, nothing I say or write will change that ...



    Uhm ... hate to break it to you ... But Favre has played other good games in the Frost as well ... (please look up the stats for the game against Seattle in the 2nd round in 2007 season - Played in 2008 though hah) ...

    None of us were saying that he was "Jack Frost", however some of us are refuting the arguement that he "doesn't play well in December" ... - As Hauschild pointed out ... - *That* particular arguement was about the last one the critics and "haters" had left ...

    On another note ... - Seeing how so many are still railing on about it and with the same arguements ... - It's quite evident that for *some* (Packer) fans, seeing him playing (rather well in fact) for Minnesota still hurts a ton ...
     
  16. YoKramer

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    I mean Haus look at the stats


    Rodgers: GP 9 / 4 W 5 L / Cmp% 61.0 / 15 Td 6 Int / Rate 95.3 / Yds/G 252.1
    2009: GP 4 / 3 W 1 L / Cmp% 59.3 / 7 Td 2 Int / Rate 95.4 / Yds/G 265.8
    Season: GP 15 / 10 W 5 L / Cmp% 63.9 / 29 Td 7 Int / Rate 102.4 / Yds/G 279.9

    Favre: GP 75 / 51 W 24 L / Cmp% 60.9 / 115 Td 86 Int / Rate 82.4 / Yds/G 234.2
    2009: GP 4 / 1 W 3 L / Cmp% 63.4% / 5 Td 4 Int / Rate 84.6 / Yds/G 253.0
    Season: GP 15 / 11 W 4 L / Cmp% 67.6 / 29 Td 7 Int / Rate 104.3 / Yds/G 259.1
     
  17. longtimefan

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    So ONE game in the cold and he doesnt have an issue in the cold??

    O lord..........

    what about in Carolina the week before?

    The game time temp was 37 and it got colder as night went on...he had a 73 rating..So why not bring this up??
     
  18. YoKramer

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    He didnt post any stats outside of Playoff games, January games and December games. So you cannot bring into this argument stats that arent being discussed when you are wrong w/ your original argument.
     
  19. CM_Awesome

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    He has good games here and there late in the season, I'll give him that. But overall performance wise, he isn't a very good QB late in the season. I know we are going to continue to disagree on this and that is fine, that's just my opinion.

    It really doesn't hurt me that Favre is playing for the Vikings. I was maybe one of the few glad to see him leave. I was sick and tired every year of watching him choke in the playoffs. The way Aaron Rodgers is playing and how this team is developing, I couldn't be happier with the Packers.
     
  20. Quientus

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    *Facepalm*

    Look at the CONTEXT of the stats (that goes to you too LTF) ...

    I posted numerous quarterbacks stats during the month of December and January for a reason so *YOU* (YoKramer) and others perhaps could see through those biased googles you are wearing that are seemingly blinded with "hatred" (?) ...

    ACROSS the board of quarterbacks there is a "trend" of declining stats in the later part of the season WHEN you are COMPARING those same stats to the SEASONAL averages ...

    I'm not disputing the facts, quite on the contrary ... But every statistic has to be seen within a context ... something that you obviously lack to comprehend ?



    So by that logic, I have to ask:

    If the Packers does not manage to win their wild card game this season (not saying they can't), and are "One and Done" ... Would that mean Rodgers is "choking" as well in the Play Offs, considering how Rodgers has been performing (rather well) during the regular season ?
     
  21. angryguy77

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    I think the real thing these stats expose is 1) The media will make drama where there is none. 2) Favre is a target because some writers are sick of him so they bring this up while leaving the the other qbs out 3) Not mentioning how other qbs numbers drop in Dec imo points to a bias.

    Think about this, this info is out there and its a jounalist job to find them and be fair. We have a fan who has to prove the unfair slant. To me its like picking one guy out of a mob of looters and arresting him while letting the rest go.
     
  22. longtimefan

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    for this year? Yeah a tiny bit then his normal Dec drop off..However look at this..

    Then tell me his Dec drop off is a lie


    This December...

    5 tds 4 ints and about 250 yards per game 84.6 rating

    But the other months

    129 rating 12 tds and 0 int 298 yards per game...November

    107 rating 7 tds 2 int 278 yards per game...October

    94 rating 5 tds 1 int 185 yards oer game... September
     
  23. YoKramer

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    Again its hard to COMPARE something that you refuse to post [​IMG]


    And Ill take a slight decline to 95.4 than a rise to 84.6 any day of the week [​IMG]
     
  24. YoKramer

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    I was one too, the constant do I come back or not got tiring. We had a promising QB behind him and the Packers made the right decision to go w/ Rodgers and Ill stand beside that to the day I die.
     
  25. CM_Awesome

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    I think that would be terribly short sighted since this is only his 2nd year starting and his first playoff appearance.
     

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