Should Aaron Feel Stupid?

[weeds]

No. AR should not feel stupid. He had his friend's back and his friend stuck a knife in his back...and twisted it.

Just another example of why I'm not a 'fan' of individual players.

 

[Darth Garfunkel]

Here's a good doc on the whole PED thing. I think you can find the whole movie on YouTube. Ironically the brother of guy who made the movie keeled over from a steroid induced heart attack right after the movie came out.

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[HardRightEdge]

This story may have more legs than the Boyz II Men wager:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/58079/todd-sutton-would-take-a-game-check

A game check seems like a fair compromise.

 

[Vltrophy]

Rodgers & Braun have a biz together so of course Rodgers was going to stand up for Ryan. Now to go on Twitter several months ago & bet his $4.5M salary was crazy even though it wasn't a real bet. Sutton said he would settle for a game check from Rodgers which is $281,250. Of course he said that laughing knowing he won't get it. Best case scenario the guy gets some autographed stuff & a couple suit tix for a game or 2

 

[HardRightEdge]

Best case scenario the guy gets some autographed stuff & a couple suit tix for a game or 2

The guy would have to make Rodgers such an offer. Rodgers can't say, "I won't give you the money but here's some neat stuff" because he would then be admitting the bet had some legitimacy.

Of course, the bet is not real...sort of...but mouthing off in public needs to have consequences. You have to love Aaron Rodgers as a player and he seems like a decent guy...but...guys who make this much money should be held accountable for the dumb stuff they say in public.

 

[NelsonsLongCatch]

It's not just guys on the cusp of greatness who use PEDs to get over the top. Those are just the guys who get the press. It's also the marginal players who think PEDs will get them / keep them in the game even if it's on the bubble.

For every Von Miller there's five Mike Neals.

Which begs the question...will OPS leader and triple crown threat Ryan Braun become just another Brady Anderson?

1) Mike Neal got busted for the ADD medication Adderall, not steroids.

2) Braun signed a five year, $105M contract. Brady Anderson earned $46M in his entire 14 year career. Even if he doesn't come back he could retire to a nice island.

 

[PackFanNChiTown]

For those taking this seriously, I believe Rodgers made a similar bet with a (49ers?) player last year or something saying he would wear their jersey if he lost. As far as I know he never did.

Don't you think he should have? I do.

 

[HardRightEdge]

1) Mike Neal got busted for the ADD medication Adderall, not steroids.

2) Braun signed a five year, $105M contract. Brady Anderson earned $46M in his entire 14 year career. Even if he doesn't come back he could retire to a nice island.

Adderall is a performance enhancing drug under NFL policy. It's speed by another name. Same thing Von Miller just got busted for. It is favored by NFL players on game day for focus and energy, while having the benefit of usually clearing the system in just a few days, minimizing (but not eliminating) the chance of detection.

Anybody could get an ADD diagnosis and a script if they know where to go, just as anybody in California can get a script for medical marijuana. I don't know if Neal's story is legit...I don't know if it isn't...but he violated policy and the "I forgot to tell the NFL" excuse stretches believability since Adderall is all over the radar.

NFL players probably don't use steroids very much because of the testing regime and the fact they can take a long time to clear the system. Guys who get busted for it are dumb or desperate. However, Human Growth Hormone use is probably rampant since there is no NFL testing regime for it.

MLB started HGH in-season testing this season; the NBA is working on it for next season; the NFL/NFLPA is discussing groundwork. They want to test every player to start out to get a "baseline" of what's "normal" against which to measure subsequent tests. Sounds to me like they might end up with an elevated baseline...but that's probably what they want anyway.

We don't know specifically which drug Braun got busted for. It could have been HGH. Biogenesis makes pitches for anti-aging "supplements"...HGH is certainly pitched in that category, even on TV to ordinary Joes. Conveniently, it increases muscle mass, decreases body fat and increases exercise capacity (read: weight room endurance). If Braun was busted for HGH, that would have been perfectly legal at this time in the NFL.

How much money Braun or Anderson might have made is not relevant. Brady Anderson hit 50 HRs in 1996 toward the beginning of the steroid era, with no more than 24 in any other year. Why he went off the juice we'll never know...maybe he was afraid of getting caught going into his contract year. Good defensive player and good speed, though. What will Braun's numbers look like post-doping?

 

[Oshkoshpackfan]

who gives two craps what Arod said about a bet that carried no weight in the game of football. Baseball, football, apple, oranges.......

We have concluded two things, Braun is a damn Liar, and Arod got duped by his friend. Is it going to affect how Arod plays? NO.... Will it affect Braun, I hope to hell he never plays again.

 

[FrankRizzo]

I don't disagree but the problem with the whole PED issue is one of line-drawing. Gatorade is technically an artificial performance enhancer. What about a daily multi-vitamin? -Nutritional supplements? -Blood doping? -That weird blood platelet treatment in Germany?

Nobody likes the idea of artificial performance enhancement but if you step back and think about it, it exists along a spectrum and it's difficult to clearly define what should and shouldn't be allowed.

Exactly.
Then there's Red Bull, and Monster (who's being sued right now by 2 families for the deaths of their children), 5-Hour Energy (also being sued)...... there was Creatine, etc.

These guys are gonna look for whatever helps them train, build, recover, etc.
They still have to work hard, can't just take a pill.

 

[Vltrophy]

Rodgers should at least send the guy a couple tix for a game & some autographed memorabilia.

 

[PackFanNChiTown]

who gives two craps what Arod said about a bet that carried no weight

When exactly does a bet carry weight? What is the dividing line between a bet being "empty" and being more binding?

 

[Vltrophy]

When exactly does a bet carry weight? What is the dividing line between a bet being "empty" and being more binding?

Twitter never has been & never will be a binding contract. Rodgers was adamant about Braun being innocent. Rodgers lost a bet last year & didn't pay up. Rodgers bet on twitter was empty & hopefully the last time he bets a "regular person." I remember Brady losing a bet to a team mate one year & paying up by wearing the guys college sweatshirt around for a few days. No one expects Rodgers to give Sutton $4.5M. But Rodgers should give the guy a couple tix to the game & autographed items

 

[Vltrophy]

Not sure where the line is on that

 

[Oshkoshpackfan]

When exactly does a bet carry weight? What is the dividing line between a bet being "empty" and being more binding?

was it writen down in contract form? Did it go to a vegas betting bookie? Was there a nationally televised hand shake and verbal bet placed in a binding fashion? No, No, No......so, it didn't carry weight and was not related very well due to being in seperate sports. It was just a poor selection by Arod of words he chose to defend is pal, who is a 1st class pile of doo-doo.

 

[JBlood]

Rogers' bet means nothing.

Until the professional sports leagues adopt a policy that affects all players--including high school and college--nothing's going to change. First offense: 1 year ban. Second offense: lifetime ban. End of problem.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Twitter never has been & never will be a binding contract.

That's not the point. No personal wager is a binding contract because wagering is illegal except at casinos and race tracks.

The point is that Rodgers persists in making stupid bets and losing. He should cut it out...it makes him look like a fool.

The other bet was with a guy from Boyz II Men. Had Rodgers won, the Boyz were to sing the Star Spangled Banner at Lambeau, and they seemed serious about it. Had Rodgers won and the Boyz welched, they would have been mocked on this forum.

I think All World deserves some mocking in this instance. He needs to cut out the nonsense. It's a distraction.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I have it on good authority that a recent Open Champion who shall go unnamed lost $250,000 in bets to Augusta members during a "friendly game" during Masters week a few years ago. The player said, no, it was not a serious bet and welched. Of course, the members had no recourse.

There's a reason why many golf insiders don't like this guy. You don't want to be that guy.

 

[weeds]

For cryin' out loud, the clown never even accepted the bet from what I"m reading. This was a classic case of Twitter tomfoolery ... and Florio at NBC running his big flippin' mouth just because he was a third rate attorney and thinks he knows what in the hell he's talking about. Even Florio admits that there are 3 elements to a 'contract', if we want to call this '****-talk' a contract ... the 2nd party didn't accept the flippin' 'bet' that never existed in the first place.

Camp is almost here.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I read the twitter stream at Fox Sports. Rodgers called his verbal adversaries "idiots". That's not a good look.

Twitter: for the inner child with no internal censor.

 

[PackFanNChiTown]

The point is that Rodgers persists in making stupid bets and losing. He should cut it out...it makes him look like a fool.

This...

 

[HardRightEdge]

I see several posts suggesting PED bans might be pointless...let the guys do what they want.

No, a line must be drawn.

The NFL, the fans, the media and dare I say the NFLPA have little concern for the long term health implications of regular and prolonged use of these substances. But that's not really the point.

The point is that players who are aware of the long term consequences of PED use and thereby refrain are penalized when competing against the users who roll the dice and live for the now. PED bans create fairness for sensible individuals in a world of knuckleheads.

 

[jaybadger82]

1) Mike Neal got busted for the ADD medication Adderall, not steroids.

I'm not sure. Under the current rules, the NFL cannot disclose why a player failed a drug test. So any reports that Mike Neal failed for Adderall can't be vouched and I suspect that Neal's people probably leaked that rumor...

How many failed drug tests have been linked to Adderall over the past two or three years? -Players are aware it's a banned substance and getting a prescription shouldn't be difficult.

I believe many players that fail these drug tests prefer to have it linked to Adderall. Kids all across America take Adderall to focus in school; it's medical fashion right now and it doesn't carry the same negative baggage as traditional PEDs or recreational drugs. Basically, Adderall offers a preferable fiction.

The Seahawks defense? -That's not Adderrall. All five? -No way. I would bet a year's salary on it. (j/k )

 

[ivo610]

I think Aaron owes an apology for ripping the fans and calling them "idiots" over this issue. I don't think he owes anyone any $.

 

[ivo610]

Everyone uses the adderall excuse bc it's socially acceptable to take. But in reality if you test positive for adderall without nfl approval I think you are the biggest idiot in the nfl as its probably the most well known banned substance outside of anabolic steroids. I hope a reporter calls out a player next time he uses that excuse.