Round 4 pick 108 Vince Biegel

[easyk83]

True. To be fair Easy we have to factor in that we also lost a #1 TE, a #1 Guard, a #1 RB and a solid depth O Lineman in JC who played multiple positions pretty well. Other than us arguing Martellus being a slight upgrade, I'm not sure the trade-off of offseason acquisitions can be used to imply we somehow net improved our Offense this offseason (or even broke even) Respectfully to your reply, I would even risk saying I think our pre draft Offense may have regressed some.
As far as speculating on Offensive picks he "might" make yet this season? I can only hope you are right!

Lang was a great player but he was limited quite a bit with nagging injuries, Tretter was a loss we could suffer given that he was a backup. I do think that replacing Cook with Bennett and Kendricks will be an improvement, both are plus blockers and assuming Kendricks improves with Rodgers they could both be plus catchers as well. Not that those losses dont hurt but I think they're manageable.

 

[Dantés]

Biegel is a plus athlete at the position and he's ready to play from a mental scheme standpoint. Not sure why so many pegged him as just a high motor high effort guy.

He's a white guy from the Big 10.

 

[Poppa San]

Jordy Nelson syndrome? He can't be fast because he's white.

 

[SoonerPack]

That wasn't the point though, was it?

My bad, I glossed over the post and didn't read it properly. However, since he was originally drafted (RD 4-COMP) by GB you could've easily added him into the mix IMO. I know a 4th isn't a first or second but still a valuable pick.

I do completely agree with you on heads needing to roll if this doesn't work. We've spent plenty of high-value picks on the secondary and hopefully this is the year it all comes together. Simple case of are we going to get what we already paid for?

 

[AmishMafia]

He's a white guy from the Big 10.

I don't see the athleticism that you do.


https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/vince-biegel

Although he has a great 3-cone, he is average in broad jump and vertical. The 2 important factors for twitch/explosion that is important for a LB.

Take a look at Watt's measureables:

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/tj-watt

Significantly better in most categories.

I fear Biegel is only quick and smart and that has served him well at the college level. Without the explosion, he will be easy to block and slow to recover at the NFL level.

 

[Dantés]

I don't see the athleticism that you do.


https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/vince-biegel

Although he has a great 3-cone, he is average in broad jump and vertical. The 2 important factors for twitch/explosion that is important for a LB.

Take a look at Watt's measureables:

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/tj-watt

Significantly better in most categories.

I fear Biegel is only quick and smart and that has served him well at the college level. Without the explosion, he will be easy to block and slow to recover at the NFL level.

You need to adjust so that it's comparing his to other edge prospects. "OLB" compares him mostly to off-ball linebackers. "EDGE" compares him to 43DE's and 34OLB's.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/vince-biegel?position=ATH

No doubt Watt is a better athlete. That's why he went higher. But the list of edge prospects with Biegel's 3C and broad numbers since 1999 only holds 16 names and they are mostly highly successful.

 

[Dantés]

I posted this in the larger context of my thoughts on the draft over in my thread in the draft section, but here are the names of the drafted edge prospects since 1999 who have at least 118" in the broad and 6.92 in the 3 cone.

• Kyle Vanden Bosch
• David Pollack
• J.J. Watt
• Joey Bosa
• Devin Taylor
• Brian Robison
• Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
• Von Miller
• Bruce Irvin
• Barkevious Mingo
• Demarcus Ware
• Connor Barwin
• Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
• Clay Matthews
• Manny Lawson
• Vic Beasley

12/16 were/are highly successful NFL players. Obviously Biegel isn't going to be JJ Watt, but the point is that these traits translate.

Above is the list of drafted edge players since 1999 that met Biegel's 3 cone and broad jump.

 

[Sanguine camper]

I think it's interesting to compare Biegel with another OLB drafted by the Packets in the fourth round: Carl Bradford. How do they compare ? Bradford was engulfed by nfl tackles with his short arm span. While Bradford was suppossedly a high motor guy, his speed rush and lack of power didn't translate to the NFL level. I hope Biegel is way better, otherwise, he may be moved to the inside sooner than Bradford was given the boot from OLB.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Biegel and Bradford have their similarities and several notable differences. At the combine Bradford was stronger 23 bench presses vs 21 for Biegel. Both had the same 20 yard shuttle time and we're nearly identical in their broad jump. Biegel is faster: he ran a 4.67 40 vs a rather slow 4.76 time for Bradford. Bradford had a higher vertical jump 37.5 inches vs 33.5 inches for Biegel.
Bradford was stronger and had more explosiveness as measured by the vertical jump but Biegel is faster and quicker as his 3 cone drill was 6.92 seconds vs 7.25 for Bradford. Finally, Biegel is 2 inches taller at 6 foot 3 and has arms that are 2 inches longer although his arm length of 32 3/8 inches is not very long by nfl standards. Is Biegel substantially superior as an athlete? The combine numbers don't point that out with the exception their 40 times.

 

[Dantés]

Biegel is far better than bradford in the drill that is most predictive for success at edge, 3 cone. Bradford also had a big length problem. He was 6'1" with 30" arms. Biegel is 6'3" and his arms are 32" long. Nothing special, but the difference between below average and average is important. Lastly, Biegel's tape is better.

 

[Dantés]

Biegel and Bradford have their similarities and several notable differences. At the combine Bradford was stronger 23 bench presses vs 21 for Biegel. Both had the same 20 yard shuttle time and we're nearly identical in their broad jump. Biegel is faster: he ran a 4.67 40 vs a rather slow 4.76 time for Bradford. Bradford had a higher vertical jump 37.5 inches vs 33.5 inches for Biegel.
Bradford was stronger and had more explosiveness as measured by the vertical jump but Biegel is faster and quicker as his 3 cone drill was 6.92 seconds vs 7.25 for Bradford. Finally, Biegel is 2 inches taller at 6 foot 3 and has arms that are 2 inches longer although his arm length of 32 3/8 inches is not very long by nfl standards. Is Biegel substantially superior as an athlete? The combine numbers don't point that out with the exception their 40 times.

Sorry, I repeated some of what you already said.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Doesn't sound serious, but just what the Packers don't need to start happening right out of the gate....

http://www.tmj4.com/sports/green-ba...er-vince-biegel-injured-in-his-first-practice

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Doesn't sound serious, but just what the Packers don't need to start happening right out of the gate....

http://www.tmj4.com/sports/green-ba...er-vince-biegel-injured-in-his-first-practice

McCarthy mentioned in his press conference after practice that Biegel's injury is nothing serious in nature.

 

[brandon2348]

He hit his shin on a tackling sled. Nothing serious.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Hope Brandon is right. The last thing the Packers need is for the injury bug to take off in minicamps. Seems like injuries are contagious so pulling Biegel out of practice is the right thing to do.

 

[brandon2348]

Hope Brandon is right. The last thing the Packers need is for the injury bug to take off in minicamps. Seems like injuries are contagious so pulling Biegel out of practice is the right thing to do.

It was first reported as a leg injury but appears to be a "hand injury"


http://www.packersnews.com/story/sp...jury-only-downer-biegels-dream-day/101344834/

 

[longtimefan]

Talked to his mom.. It's a finger

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Talked to his mom.. It's a finger

Hopefully not his middle finger, AJ Hawk is in charge of that one.

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[Deleted member 6794]

Biegel had foot surgery last week to correct a Jones fracture, the same injury he suffered last season with the Badgers. The Packers hope he will be ready for training camp.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Biegel had foot surgery last week to correct a Jones fracture, the same injury he suffered last season with the Badgers. The Packers hope he will be ready for training camp.

That isn't good news. I had to look up "Jones Fracture" and according to this article, it is common with football players and can shorten/curtail a player's career.

http://lermagazine.com/news/in-the-...s-fifth-met-fractures-can-curtail-nfl-careers

 

[Deleted member 6794]

That isn't good news. I had to look up "Jones Fracture" and according to this article, it is common with football players and can shorten/curtail a player's career.

http://lermagazine.com/news/in-the-...s-fifth-met-fractures-can-curtail-nfl-careers

Unfortunately that doesn't sound promising at all.

 

[brandon2348]

But he had such a promising "3 cone".

Great. Now we got a "Glass foot" providing depth at OLB. Better get Dumervil.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

Well so much for him providing pass rush and helping the defense. I've got nothing against the kid, but geez now he is going to miss all of OTA's with an injury that he recovered from recently. This does not look good.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Until further notice perhaps Biegel should have the nickname of "glass". He couldn't get through a single practice before he hurt his hand and now he needs another foot surgery.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

So they draft a guy with injury history, and he gets injured. Sounds like the defensive Abbrederis. Great pick.