Ravens at Packers Live Game Thread

[Sanguine camper]

The Packers melted down against Denver in the second half, choked against the Bears in game 2 and played a good second half against the Steelers.

It's a pattern of never playing 4 quarters. I've posted before that the team has superior talent so a good quarter or two can sometimes win games. However, that's what mediocre teams do. They stack success with complacency.

Simply not true. Pittsburgh, majority of both Bears games and many would argue Denver even.

 

[adambr2]

Simply not true. Pittsburgh, majority of both Bears games and many would argue Denver even.

Pittsburgh and Chicago aren’t going to the Super Bowl.

Need to show up other than those games if you want to compete.

 

[BrokenArrow]

The dead cap on Love would cripple us. And that would be a very high risk move; I don't see Gute having the balls for that.

Don't care. Sometimes you just bite the bullet.

 

[OldSchool101]

The game is over. They're just giving Melton a few plays.

But the game wasn’t over.

There was 7:02 sec on the gameclock + Timeouts. The ball was INT at the Baltimore26 yardline. We were already in FG range and driving for a TD in a 10 point game. We score a TD and it’s a 3 point game with well over 5+ minutes remaining.

The Bears against us got the ball back similar but down 10 points with 5 minutes. They scored 10 points in under 5 minutes and took us to overtime. We would’ve been down 3pts with over 5 minutes!

 

[pacmaniac]

A wild card win is our ceiling.

Watch that be enough to keep Matt around.

 

[adambr2]

Watch that be enough to keep Matt around.

Much like our general manager, he’s average at his job and not taking us anywhere.

 

[milani]

This fanbase by the numbers is always clamoring we don’t do big swings…well now we did to get Parsons, experienced massively critical injuries to arguably over half our top 8 or 10 guys on the entire roster….and had some of our deficiencies show themselves throughout the season…

Now that same fanbase cannot be mad if all of that isn’t able to be fixed - especially with zero Day1 pick…

Good news is solid to good DL can and are found on day 2 of the draft. Outside Corners also can be had but for sure hurts not having a first rounder for that position especially.

OL help should come in the form of health and natural progression but also poor man FA and/or later rounds in the draft likely too.

I broke down fiscally what we could do and have a massive amount of spending cash for resignings of guys if we want or targeting others.

It would be a massive challenge to handle it with Parsons out but I think my breakdown of potentially walking from Gary is more and more likely the way he simply cannot move or produce any longer.

Definitely will not be a promising off season.

 

[milani]

Watch that be enough to keep Matt around.

Maybe we could pull a Notre Dame and stay home.

 

[AGreen2AJones]

lol that is an extremely misguided and simply untrue statement.

Lose by 17 at home? Give up over 200 yards and 4 TDs to the same guy. You're extremely misguided and making untrue statements. You aren't a real fan

 

[Cornelius Weems]

Panic and fire everyone.

Definitely not, but how many years do we keep trying the same thing? The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again, and then expecting different results. Now this isn't exactly the same, but very close to it. How many good years of AR amounted to ultimately nothing? Were we only supposed to get 1 SB? Because that's all we got ultimately. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. This isn't pop warner football some fool's utopia, nobody is getting participation trophies in the NFL. At home the GBP got embarrassed, badly. The Ravens were donning cheese grader hats and waving goodbye to the fans. Nobody is looking at us and seeing a team that they should fear, they look like they hope they should play us again. I'm also only going to give the injury excuse so much leeway, it's nothing new and it's not like the other side was close to full strength either. Great teams overcome personnel deficits, other teams don't. If the players aren't the issue, then it definitely is the only other thing on the sideline/booth. Is only 2 SB titles since the early 1960's good enough for some people (total of 4)? I'd like to see another title come home to title town before I pass. I don't like seeing this team fail, but we continued our losing streak tonight and now that we're firmly locked in the final wild card spot does anyone see any starters playing extended roles in our final regular season game? I don't and realistically most shouldn't either.

 

[weeds]

I'm pretty much a half glass full guy when it comes to this team, but tonight... my glass is looking empty.

Here it is. "THE" post of the thread - this is a 'nail' and 'head' kind of thing. I'm a "half full" guy too and was forced to go and try to find a bigger glass - none to be found ... hung it up at halftime for reading.

 

[weeds]

Just think about the people that actually paid hundreds of $ for tickets to this game, and you won't feel so bad!!!!!

You know, I was thinking that myself as I drove home from my son's house at halftime. 4 of our young tellers at the bank got together and decided to go to the game - one was so excited because it was her first regular season game. I secretly figured that they'd blow these last two games but told her to take it all in...the sights, the sounds, the excitement and electricity ... and last but not least ...the smell of the stadium -- unfortunately, that will be ALL she'll need to remember.

 

[Sanguine camper]

But the game wasn’t over.

There was 7:02 sec on the gameclock + Timeouts. The ball was INT at the Baltimore26 yardline. We were already in FG range and driving for a TD in a 10 point game. We score a TD and it’s a 3 point game with well over 5+ minutes remaining.

The Bears against us got the ball back similar but down 10 points with 5 minutes. They scored 10 points in under 5 minutes and took us to overtime. We would’ve been down 3pts with over 5 minutes!

The scenario you imagined would require the defense and special teams to make some big plays. With the Packers? Nope. That's why the fat lady was singing ss soon as the Ravens went up by 17.

 

[DoURant]

I think one of our keys to victory next week, and in the Playoffs, is we need to get the ball into one of our elite players hands, or is it foot, at least once. Our record is 0-3 this season when Whelen doesn't have a punt. That statistic is just so hard to comprehend. How can that even happen???

 

[Heyjoe4]

This fanbase by the numbers is always clamoring we don’t do big swings…well now we did to get Parsons, experienced massively critical injuries to arguably over half our top 8 or 10 guys on the entire roster….and had some of our deficiencies show themselves throughout the season…

Now that same fanbase cannot be mad if all of that isn’t able to be fixed - especially with zero Day1 pick…

Good news is solid to good DL can and are found on day 2 of the draft. Outside Corners also can be had but for sure hurts not having a first rounder for that position especially.

OL help should come in the form of health and natural progression but also poor man FA and/or later rounds in the draft likely too.

I broke down fiscally what we could do and have a massive amount of spending cash for resignings of guys if we want or targeting others.

It would be a massive challenge to handle it with Parsons out but I think my breakdown of potentially walking from Gary is more and more likely the way he simply cannot move or produce any longer.

The season is what it is. They did lose a lot of very impactful players to injury for some of the season (Watson, Reed, Kraft, Parsons, Wyatt, Jenkins).

Injuries aren't an excuse - but c'mon at some point these aggregate injuries are gonna impact outcomes. It happened to the Lions last year and again this year.

I'm not down on the Packers - I think they've played well in spite of the injuries. They will get these guys back, and the offseason is a chance to improve the CB group, and add sone depth at DL and DE. As you note some decent talent can be found in round 2, and Gluten does a great job in rounds 4-7.

I agree that Gary has hit a wall. Not much point in keeping him.

 

[Heyjoe4]

The scenario you imagined would require the defense and special teams to make some big plays. With the Packers? Nope. That's why the fat lady was singing ss soon as the Ravens went up by 17.

Agreed. STs and the D have not had big plays this season, or at least not enough.

Certainly the CB room needs a shot of talent. This will still be a formidable team when some of the guys get back - Parsons, Wyatt, Kraft specifically. As for this season - all I want for Christmas (belatedly) is a first round win over the Bears. Anything else is like playing with house money. Just one little win over Da Bearz at SF. Please Santa! Come back!

 

[Sanguine camper]

I think one of our keys to victory next week, and in the Playoffs, is we need to get the ball into one of our elite players hands, or is it foot, at least once. Our record is 0-3 this season when Whelen doesn't have a punt. That statistic is just so hard to comprehend. How can that even happen???

If the offense stinks in the red zone or the defense and special teams collapse, it's possible but extremely unlikely as you say for that to happen 3 times in one season.

It's called finding a way to lose. The Packers got destroyed on the LOS by the Ravens but Willis kept them in the game. The defense got exposed. I was upset when TJ Slaton was let go for modest money. He's way better than the NFL scrap heap players the Packers had on their D line.

 

[DoURant]

If the offense stinks in the red zone or the defense and special teams collapse, it's possible but extremely unlikely as you say for that to happen 3 times in one season.

It's called finding a way to lose. The Packers got destroyed on the LOS by the Ravens but Willis kept them in the game. The defense got exposed. I was upset when TJ Slaton was let go for modest money. He's way better than the NFL scrap heap players the Packers had on their D line.

I had high hopes with us replacing our DL coach with Covington this year. Slaton played pretty well in the middle of the D last year, I would have liked to see him play another year in GB. Taking both him and Kenny out of that front is showing the consequences at the end of this season. We need some beef in the middle next year.

 

[Heyjoe4]

If the offense stinks in the red zone or the defense and special teams collapse, it's possible but extremely unlikely as you say for that to happen 3 times in one season.

It's called finding a way to lose. The Packers got destroyed on the LOS by the Ravens but Willis kept them in the game. The defense got exposed. I was upset when TJ Slaton was let go for modest money. He's way better than the NFL scrap heap players the Packers had on their D line.

Yeah letting Slaton go seemed like a mistake at the time, and it still does. Oh well, past is past. It's one more thing Gluten will have to deal with in the offseason.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I had high hopes with us replacing our DL coach with Covington this year. Slaton played pretty well in the middle of the D last year, I would have liked to see him play another year in GB. Taking both him and Kenny out of that front is showing the consequences at the end of this season. We need some beef in the middle next year.

Good point D. Losing Clark and Slaton has hurt the run D, although not quite as badly as in the Ravens game. Hafley has, for the most port, gotten quite a bit out of a depleted line.

The same group of guys that gave up 200 plus to Henry held Swift and Monangai to 100 combined yards. They can do it. Time to step up.

Maybe the SB dream is gone - no, it's gona alright. A first round win against the Bears would make this season a lot easier to take.

 

[adambr2]

This fanbase by the numbers is always clamoring we don’t do big swings…well now we did to get Parsons, experienced massively critical injuries to arguably over half our top 8 or 10 guys on the entire roster….and had some of our deficiencies show themselves throughout the season…

Now that same fanbase cannot be mad if all of that isn’t able to be fixed - especially with zero Day1 pick…

Good news is solid to good DL can and are found on day 2 of the draft. Outside Corners also can be had but for sure hurts not having a first rounder for that position especially.

OL help should come in the form of health and natural progression but also poor man FA and/or later rounds in the draft likely too.

I broke down fiscally what we could do and have a massive amount of spending cash for resignings of guys if we want or targeting others.

It would be a massive challenge to handle it with Parsons out but I think my breakdown of potentially walking from Gary is more and more likely the way he simply cannot move or produce any longer.

That’s a lot of holes, and a lot to expect to find OL help in “poor man FA” from a GM who couldn’t find OL help when he actually spent some money on it.

 

[OldSchool101]

The scenario you imagined would require the defense and special teams to make some big plays. With the Packers? Nope. That's why the fat lady was singing ss soon as the Ravens went up by 17.

No. the original question was why Bo Melton was in there when we were down by 10 points and into Baltimore territory. It wasn’t a setup to complain about poor Defense.
The answer I believe is Dontayvion Wicks went out with a concussion. I must’ve walked away for a minute and missed that injury

 

[DoURant]

Our WR's abused Nate Wiggins last night.

You just know it was a tough night vs the run game when you see that McKinney is our leading tackler, with 13.

 

[DABIGZ]

This fanbase by the numbers is always clamoring we don’t do big swings…well now we did to get Parsons, experienced massively critical injuries to arguably over half our top 8 or 10 guys on the entire roster….and had some of our deficiencies show themselves throughout the season…

Now that same fanbase cannot be mad if all of that isn’t able to be fixed - especially with zero Day1 pick…

Good news is solid to good DL can and are found on day 2 of the draft. Outside Corners also can be had but for sure hurts not having a first rounder for that position especially.

OL help should come in the form of health and natural progression but also poor man FA and/or later rounds in the draft likely too.

I broke down fiscally what we could do and have a massive amount of spending cash for resignings of guys if we want or targeting others.

It would be a massive challenge to handle it with Parsons out but I think my breakdown of potentially walking from Gary is more and more likely the way he simply cannot move or produce any longer.

That’s a good breakdown. Sorry, lol, had too much to drink last night!!

My more reasonable thought is we’re now riding a 3 game losing streak into the playoffs, again. As the 7th seed, again. When’s it gonna change? When are we going to look at this team late in the season and say: This team is ready for a run.

I get the injuries, I do. But it’s even more frustrating because we 100% went all in with Parsons, and it’s a wasted year, IMO.

 

[adambr2]

They are at least 2 corners away from a competent CB room.

They are two OL away from a good O-line.

They are multiple D-lineman away from fixing what we saw last night.

They have no pass rushers besides Micah.

Their RB is washed.

Their brightest spot is backup QB, and he’s on his way out.

The elephant in the room that no one wants to say out loud is that this team isn’t improving and the future doesn’t appear to be “bright”.

They went on all on Love and Parsons with their payroll. They don’t have a lot of flexibility to improve things. They have multiple holes in the boat and they lack the draft capital and cap space to do anything about it.

They’ll get some guy backs from injury next year, and other guys will be injured, because it’s football and that’s what happens.