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I will tweak it to ranking based on value relative to draft slot. Because if I rank it based on expected impact, the ranking is going to look very similar to the draft order itself.

  1. Vince Biegel
  2. Kevin King
  3. Aaron Jones
  4. Josh Jones
  5. Montravious Adams
  6. Malachi Dupre
  7. Devante Mays
  8. Kofi Amichia
  9. Jamaal Williams
  10. DeAngelo Yancey
 
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I guess we will have to look back at this four years from now, but here is my list.

1. Montravius Adams
2. Josh Jones
3. Kevin King
4. Jamaal Williams
5. Vince Biegel
6. Malachi Dupre
7. DeAngelo Yancey
8. Aaron Jones

9. Kofi Amichia
10. Devante Mays

Now, I don't know the exact numbers off the top of my head, but since Ted has been in charge nearly all draft picks make the 53 man. The reason that I split Amichia and Mays from the rest of the picks is because I think that trend changes this year and neither make the 53 man. I'm sure they will get signed to the practice squad if they make it through waivers. But, as a guy that watches a lot of college and pro football I didn't know a single thing about either one of those guys prior to the Packers drafting them. They weren't even in my draft guide lol. Watched a highlight film of each of them on YouTube after the draft was complete, wasn't super impressed with either.

The other eight are ranked for their impacts this year and beyond. Really love the Adams pick obviously. What are your thoughts?
 

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1. Josh jones

2. Kevin king

3. Malachi dupre

4. Montravius Adams

5. Jamaal Williams

6. Vince biegel

7. Kofi amichia

8.Devante mays

9. Deangelo yancey

10. Aaron jones
 

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Malachi Dupre
Aaron Jones
Vince Biegel
Kevin King
Montravius Adams
Josh Jones
Jamaal Williams

(not expecting to make the team)
Kofi Amichia
Devante Mays
DeAngelo Yancey
 

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I think Aaron Jones will be a surprise, along with maybe dupre. I think Aaron jones looks like a mixture of Maurice Jones Drew and Ray Rice back in the day. A shorter back, that makes up for his height in muscle and elusiveness. I'm very excited to see his preseason play this year. I don't think we have too much I'm Devante Mays, I think Rip can offer a lot of what he can, so if one of the rookie running backs doesn't make it or hits the PS, I think it's gotta be him. The center looks like a good future guard. And the safety Josh Jones is an athletic freak which I think is something we need desperately in our secondary and in the middle of the field. Just needs some coaching but Morgan Burnett is getting old and his contract is almost up. Good replacement if needed. We all know what we have in King, tall, shifty corner with speed. What we've all been begging for. Vince Biegel, I hope he puts on some weight (muscle) in training camp but either way I think he's an upgrade to our backup OLBs. Don't think he'll move inside. The one guy I really don't like too much is the other receiver Yancey. Hope he proves me wrong but I'm not sure about him.
 

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Oh and Montravious Adams, I'm happy we grabbed a guy that will potentially actually be able to get some interior pressure on the QB. Needed more than Daniels and Clark and a bunch of gap closers. He opens up more defensive packages and interior QB pressure also helps defend the play action as well.
 

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Oh and Montravious Adams, I'm happy we grabbed a guy that will potentially actually be able to get some interior pressure on the QB. Needed more than Daniels and Clark and a bunch of gap closers. He opens up more defensive packages and interior QB pressure also helps defend the play action as well.
Adams will not be a "sack" player...probably ever. He is the type of player who will stuff runners near the line of scrimmage and open up holes for linebackers to get sacks & pressure the quarterback. I envision Adams as being a 2 sack per year type of player while being completely unappreciated by the casual fan. (Much like Kenny Clark).
 

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Adams will not be a "sack" player...probably ever. He is the type of player who will stuff runners near the line of scrimmage and open up holes for linebackers to get sacks & pressure the quarterback. I envision Adams as being a 2 sack per year type of player while being completely unappreciated by the casual fan. (Much like Kenny Clark).
Gilbert Brown spoke to that last year when he appeared on that Clubhouse show. He was asked if he could have gotten more sacks in his career. He said that a NT's assignment may be to hold the middle and not break contain, as was often the case for him.

Are you Gilbert Brown? ;)
 

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Adams will not be a "sack" player...probably ever. He is the type of player who will stuff runners near the line of scrimmage and open up holes for linebackers to get sacks & pressure the quarterback. I envision Adams as being a 2 sack per year type of player while being completely unappreciated by the casual fan. (Much like Kenny Clark).
I read that he had a productive year his senior year and seemed to be utilizing the bull rush more, creating sacks, hurries and TFL. It probably depends on how he's utilized, but he will definitely have a job description like you said. Just hope he can do more than just fill gaps as well.
 

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Gilbert Brown spoke to that last year when he appeared on that Clubhouse show. He was asked if he could have gotten more sacks in his career. He said that a NT's assignment may be to hold the middle and not break contain, as was often the case for him.

Are you Gilbert Brown? ;)
Even if I said I was, you wouldn't believe me ;)
 

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1.King- Future probowler Sherman like player.
2.Biegel- Never quit type who I see 5 sacks rookie year.
3.Adams- Solid pick for round better prospect than Khyri Thornton. He could be as good as clark.
4. Williams- Bruiser type nothing special short yard specialist.
5.Dupree- Excellent value for round all around skills better prospect than Geronimo
6.Jones- Scat back I compare to Dion Lewis
7.Jones- Dont know much about him but I love the hype.
8.Yancey
9.Mays
10.Amichia
 
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I will tweak it to ranking based on value relative to draft slot. Because if I rank it based on expected impact, the ranking is going to look very similar to the draft order itself.

  1. Vince Biegel
  2. Kevin King
  3. Aaron Jones
  4. Josh Jones
  5. Montravious Adams
  6. Malachi Dupre
  7. Devante Mays
  8. Kofi Amichia
  9. Jamaal Williams
  10. DeAngelo Yancey

That is fun too! If I ranked on value it would look like this.

Steals
1. Malachi Dupre
2. Jamaal Williams
3. Montravius Adams
4. Vince Biegel
Drafted at perfect spot
5. Josh Jones
Reaches
6. DeAngelo Yancey
7. Aaron Jones
8. Kevin King
Major reaches
9. Kofi Amichia
10. Devante Mays
 
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  1. Josh Jones
  2. Jamaal Williams
  3. Kevin King
  4. Vince Biegel
  5. Montravious Adams
  6. Malachi Dupre
  7. Devante Mays
  8. Kofi Amichia
  9. Aaron Jones
  10. DeAngelo Yancey
It's obviously difficult to ascertain the entire impact on a franchise in a player who never took an NFL snap.
I'm guessing more with who will give us the best value within their rookie contract taking into consideration where they fell overall in the draft.
Good news is there's no 5th Year option to factor in...
Bad news is.. there's no 5th Year option!
 
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Didn't realize it was possible to "reach" for a player in the 6th and 7th rounds. Especially a major reach in this case. This is one step up from camp bodies and most likely destined for the practice squad.

If you look at my post earlier in the thread that might explain a bit. I don't think either of them were draft pick worthy. Hopefully I am wrong. That is why I would classify them in the major reach category, they were Undrafted Free Agents to me. When the Packers were on the clock with pick 212 my "Best Players Available" were

1. Virginia Tech - Wide Receiver - Isaiah Ford
2. Louisville - Safety - Josh Harvey-Clemons
3. Kentucky - Center - Jon Toth
4. Baylor - Wide Receiver - KD Cannon
5. LSU - Wide Receiver - Malachi Dupre

You are right that for most teams 6th and 7th round picks wouldn't realistically be able to qualify as major reaches. But, with Ted's success in those rounds paired with some great talent left on the board that is why I put them in the major reach category.
 
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You are right that for most teams 6th and 7th round picks wouldn't realistically be able to qualify as major reaches. But, with Ted's success in those rounds paired with some great talent left on the board that is why I put them in the major reach category.

Thompson has had some success selecting players in the sixth or seventh rounds by picking Starks, Crosby, Jolly, Bishop, Jones and Wilson but he didn't draft a real difference maker that late over his tenure.
 
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Thompson has had some success selecting players in the sixth or seventh rounds by picking Starks, Crosby, Jolly, Bishop, Jones and Wilson but he didn't draft a real difference maker that late over his tenure.

But all of those guys are steals and some played intregal roles in Green Bay winning a Super Bowl. You don't get many Hall of Famers in the 6th and 7th, but as you just pointed out you can get starters on Super Bowl winning teams. That was my overarching point.
 
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But all of those guys are steals and some played intregal roles in Green Bay winning a Super Bowl. You don't get many Hall of Famers in the 6th and 7th, but as you just pointed out you can get starters on Super Bowl winning teams. That was my overarching point.

I agree there haven't been a lot of elite players selected in the sixth or seventh round over the past 12 years with Antonio Brown most likely being the best overall.
 
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To further illustrate my point I just did a bunch of research on Pro Football Reference. I believe that this will prove that 6th and 7th round picks are more than just "camp bodies" or "destined for the practice squad" in Green Bay. I don't view them that way and seemingly neither does the front office/scouting staff.

In rounds 6 and 7 from 2005-2016 the Packers have had 36 picks and 31 have played at least a game in the NFL, which comes in at 86%. A number which is better than the league as a whole. In that same timespan there have been 999 guys drafted in the 6th and 7th, 773 have played at least one game or 77%.

Maybe you need more convincing than a draft pick playing in a solitary NFL game. I was hoping you thought that! 12 of the Packers 36 picks (33%) have played 61 or more games in their career. League-wide 165 of the 999 (16%) have accomplished that. Now playing in 61 games is nearly four full NFL seasons, something I used as an arbitrary standard of comparison.

The Packers also lead the league in 6th and 7th round picks during the TT era who have played at least 61 games. The Packers have 12 (as stated), the 49ers have 11, the Cowboys and Panthers have 10, and the Dolphins have 8.

If you are wondering who those guys are...

1. Mason Crosby-160
2. Clark Harris-124
3. C.J. Wilson-84
4. Brad Jones-83
5. Tyrone Culver-80
6. Dave Tollefson-78
7. James Starks-76
8. Desmond Bishop-75
9. Jarius Wynn-69
10. Lawrence Guy-67
11. Korey Hall-61
12. Johnny Jolly-61

That's why I believe that in Green Bay whatever round you are picked in (1-7) you can be a steal or a major reach. Amichia and Mays were not on my board of 300 players while other people that I thought would be steals were. Doesn't mean I'm right, but if you are gonna push me for my reasoning and some stats, well there ya go!
 
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If you look at my post earlier in the thread that might explain a bit. I don't think either of them were draft pick worthy. Hopefully I am wrong. That is why I would classify them in the major reach category, they were Undrafted Free Agents to me. When the Packers were on the clock with pick 212 my "Best Players Available" were

1. Virginia Tech - Wide Receiver - Isaiah Ford
2. Louisville - Safety - Josh Harvey-Clemons
3. Kentucky - Center - Jon Toth
4. Baylor - Wide Receiver - KD Cannon
5. LSU - Wide Receiver - Malachi Dupre

You are right that for most teams 6th and 7th round picks wouldn't realistically be able to qualify as major reaches. But, with Ted's success in those rounds paired with some great talent left on the board that is why I put them in the major reach category.

I'm not picking a fight here, but I do have a question. Do you really have a good enough sense of those guys in the 6th/7th to feel confident in saying that one guy was a good pick and another was a reach? What is that based on?
 

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I'm not picking a fight here, but I do have a question. Do you really have a good enough sense of those guys in the 6th/7th to feel confident in saying that one guy was a good pick and another was a reach? What is that based on?
This. And did you actually study film on all of these guys, including the ones who didn't make your list? I find that incredibly hard to believe.
 

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To be fair, people rarely get asked the same question when they call a late pick a "steal" or a great value. I'm not trying to pick at someone just because they're negative on a couple guys. But when I see someone saying that "I" had a player higher or lower, it gives me pause. I definitely have strong opinions on some players I get around to watching in the top 100, but I can never watch enough to make judgements on guys super late in the draft. So it makes me wonder if that's what others are doing, or if they're just assessing the picks based on the websites (which would be fine).
 

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