I definately agree that brett has never been surrounded by the type of players peyton has had, except when he had freeman, ryson, beebe, and chumura....But that only lasted for what 2-3 years....I love the packers to death but I really believe what hurt brett the most during the latter part of his career is that green bay has never been known as an oraganization to go out and get help......Only Once can I think of a time where they really spent it up to get a big time player...And by big time I mean arguable the best in the league...And thats when they got Reggie White....Other than that, they never sign or trade for big names...The last desent signing they had was when they got andre ryson, but when we got andre he was passed his prime, or at least on the downside of it.....LOL i dont think reggie white ever got outta his prime...