Breaking Down the NFC North, 2024

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The draft is over and rosters are (mostly) set. I want to take a stab at stacking up the various position groups in the division. As always, I strive to be objective despite my obvious bias as a Packers fan.

Quarterback: The rest of the division finds themselves, once again, looking up at Green Bay at the most important position. Love clearly demonstrated elite traits and tons of growth last season. The future is very bright. Goff is a very good QB for Detroit, though I question how sustainable their success will be once they've had to pay him and his supporting cast. Both the Bears and Vikings are going to be breaking in rookies, with Chicago obviously having the much more highly regarded talent of the two.

1. Packers
2. Lions
3. Bears
4. Vikings

Running Back:
Green Bay signed Jacobs this off-season who, for my money, is the best overall back in this division. They're backing him up with an explosive rookie and a very reliable pro in A.J. Dillon who can handle some key roles, such as blitz pickup. The Lions are close with the duo of Montgomery and Gibbs, who are both strong options and complement each other well. I wouldn't argue with someone who ranked them 1st, but I think they get a touch overrated as independent talents because they run behind the best line in the division. The Bears added Swift to their backfield to join Herbert and Johnson, and that's a quality addition, but they're going to see more modest production than he showed running behinds the Eagles' offensive line. Minnesota again brings up the rear: Aaron Jones is a stud, but he's aging and needs to be used in a complementary fashion. The rest of their backfield is pretty unimpressive.

1. Packers
2. Lions
3. Bears
4. Vikings

Tight End:
At the top, one has to choose between quantity and quality. The Packers had two very talented rookies demonstrate a lot of promise in 2023, but neither were particularly close to the level of Sam LaPorta. Given his excellence in the passing game, I'm giving Detroit the nod here. I do, however, rank GB ahead of the Vikings despite the fact that Hockenson is of a similar quality to 2023 LaPorta. My reasoning is that, entering year 6 and age 27, Hockenson is basically a finished product (and a good one!). The tight ends in Detroit and Green Bay are all 23 and entering year 2, when most talented players take a big leap. The Bears are an easy 4th place with the decent, but unspectacular duo of Kmet and Everett.

1. Lions
2. Packers
3. Vikings
4. Bears

Wide Receiver:
The Bears don't have the best receiver in the division, but I think they have the best group overall. D.J. Moore is a quality WR1, Keenan Allen adds a high end possession option, and Rome Odunze was, for my money, the best overall player in the draft. I think he is flat out better than Harrison Jr. and Nabers and should make an instant impact. The Packers don't have a clearly defined #1 option, but they go 4-5 deep with serious quality players while also being so young at the position that there's a lot of expected growth. Minnesota has the best overall player at the position, but he doesn't have much help. Addison exceeded my expectations last season but I suspect he will won't look quite as capable without Cousins. Meanwhile the depth chart beyond those two is bleak. Detroit is similar, but worse off-- St. Brown is excellent and the rest of the depth chart sucks.

1. Bears
2. Packers
3. Vikings

4. Lions

Offensive Line:
The bedrock of the Lions' offense is their line. They are good to great at basically every position save maybe right guard. The reason why the offensive production exceeds the ability of their skill positions is that their front is elite. Green Bay is a step down, but still good and promising. It's unclear where the best five will slot in, positionally, but they had enough young players demonstrate promise last year to be optimistic in light of what they've added since. The Bears and Vikings are both strong at tackle and questionable on the interior. I give Chicago the nod because Teven Jenkins, if healthy is better than anyone in Minnesota on the inside. No one in the division is a disaster in this area.

1. Lions
2. Packers
3. Bears

4. Vikings

Defensive Line/Front:
For this group, I am considering the entire defensive line group, including edge rushers (even if they stand up). The Packers have thrown tons of resources into these positions recently and they're beginning to pay off. Gary, Smith, Van Ness, Enagbare is easily the best edge group in the division, while Clark, Wyatt, Slaton, Brooks is head and shoulders the best group of interior pass rushers. Look for these players to show out in a new way under Hafley this season. The Lions, meanwhile, have some quality without as much depth. Hutchinson is a better player than anyone on the Packers in 2023, but he lacks a capable rush mate unless Marcus Davenport returns to a form he hasn't shown since 2021. They don't have much for pass rush on the inside (their big investment was D.J. Reader, who is a run defense specialist). The Bears are in a very similar position, just with a step down when it comes to their lead stud (Sweat is good, but he's not Hutchinon). Minnesota could be in trouble here. Greenard and Turner could be a decent duo depending on how quickly the latter gets up to speed, but their interior players have all the makings of a disaster area-- a unit that could be seriously debilitating.

1. Packers
2. Lions
3. Bears
4. Vikings

Linebacker:
This position is the inverse of the offensive line. Whereas I think all four teams are pretty good on the OL, I don't think anyone is particularly impressive at linebacker. The Bears have two decent starters in Edwards and Edmunds and that's enough for me to give them the nod at #1. The Lions, similarly, have two guys who can play in Anzalone and Barnes, but I think that duo is a little step down from the Bears' unit. That could change if Campbell takes a big step in year two. Minnesota got good play out of Ivan Pace Jr. and added Blake Cashman, but I think both were more products of their DC last year than anything else. I like the potential in Green Bay, but it's unrealized. Quay Walker and Edgerrin Cooper are definitely the most talented pairing in the North, but they need to prove it before they merit a higher ranking.

1. Bears
2. Lions

3. Vikings
4. Packers

Cornerback:
The Bears are complete with proven talent after keeping Jaylon Johnson. Tyrique Stevenson provided quality play as a rookie and Kyler Gordon is a good nickel. The Lions were abysmal at corner last year, but they have thrown a ton of resources at it. Carlton Davis is probably not the player he was, but he's surrounded by other investments: Terrion Arnold, Ennis Rakestraw Jr., Amik Robertson, and Emmanuel Moseley coming back from injury. With so much of the group being new, there are a lot of possible outcomes here, but they'll be somewhat stabilized by Davis and Branch holding down the slot. Green Bay has the best pure corner when he's healthy in Jaire Alexander, but he hasn't been reliable of late. If Stokes comes back healthy and competes well with Valentine, the other position could be well-manned. I don't care much for Nixon on defense. The Packers' group has the talent to outplay this ranking (especially if Hafley's approach to defense unlocks them), but they haven't earned the benefit of the doubt. The Vikings are still really weak at corner overall. Their main addition in the draft was a 25 year old developmental guy in round 4.

1. Bears
2. Lions

3. Packers
4. Vikings

Safety:
Much like the Lions at cornerback, the Packers went hard at this position. They added the best overall safety in the division in Xavier McKinney and then spent three draft picks on some interesting talents. The Bears have a quality starter in Jaquan Brisker, but will be trying to get by next to him with a declining Kevin Byard. The depth lacks youth/upside (they actually have two GB cast-offs in Owens and Moore). The Detroit mix at safety is pretty boom/bust. Melfionwu is going to be asked to play a much bigger role. Both he and Joseph can take the ball away, but they can also allow their shares of big plays. Minnesota is still trying to make things work with a declining Harrison Smith and Camryn Bynum after Lewis Cine has proven to be a total bust.

1. Packers
2. Bears

3. Lions
4. Vikings


Totals (lower is better):

1. Packers: 17
2. Lions: 19

2. Bears: 21
4. Vikings: 33


Conclusion: After working through this exercise at each spot, it yielded a conclusion that matches my overall expectations for the season. I think Green Bay has the best roster in the North, top to bottom, but that Detroit is right there. Given that 2024 shouldn't find Jordan Love trying to find his way for the first half of the season, I would expect the Packers to take the division, but the Lions will be a challenge to hold off and will certainly be a wildcard team if they can't win the title outright. The Bears are feisty and have some legit talent on the roster. They will go as far as their rookie QB can take them, but they are a clear 3rd place to me and I am not quite as bullish on Caleb Williams as the public. I think there's a real chance that he struggles personally given his oddities and personality. That's not PC to say, so it hasn't come up a lot in the media. The Vikings are in trouble. They are a nice landing spot for a rookie QB, but they will be chasing points all year. Flores got deep in his bag last season and had the defense way outplaying their talent level, but it was smoke and mirrors. By the end of the season, they were found out and were allowing 30 ppg. The talent level is dreadful and I simply don't believe that Flores will pull the rabbit out of the hat again.
 

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Ok. I’ll bite.

1. QB
Lions
Packers
Bears
Vikes…J. Love had good year but c’mmon maaaaaynne…to put his 1 year over Goff’s resume is just silly. Everyone else is what it is.

2. RB
Lions
Packers/Bears
Vikes…. Monty and Gibbs are best 1-2 punch and they run behind monsters. Jacobs is good signing but rookie who has fumble issues… I’ll barely give you nod at better overall but A.J. a year older and healthy(?) but Swift, RoJo and Herbert might prove to be the best top to bottom.

3. TE I’ll just say Kmet is just as good as Hock. Look at the #’s. Kmet is bout 52 receptions for 550 and 3.75 TD per year. Hock’s is bout 56 receptions 590 and bout 3.8 TD per year. Justin Fields was throwing to Kmet. Caleb’s better. La Porta is a bad bad man. I think the whole division is good at TE.

4. WR Bears best. Jefferson best individual. We’ll see who steps up for GB this year. Amun Ra rolling solo. Agree with assessment.

5. O-line.
Lions
Bears
Pack
Vikes…if the Center position is fixed and we stay relatively healthy the sky is the limit for the Bears offense.

Just gonna say we have the best young Defense. If a second edge rusher is acquired or develops….QB’s will be running for their lives. You will know who Gervon DexterBest LBs and best secondary.

Special Teams/Kicker.
Bears P Tory Taylor is legit. Watch the highlight reel before speaking. Santos is above average kicker. I think we’re best so don’t care about anyone else’s.

Overall : no one can justify saying they’ll be better than the Lions till it’s settled on the field. I’ve rewatched our games against them and they don’t scare me. I think Bears and GB fighting for #2 and one of us may knock Detroit off their pedestal. Gonna be a fantastic season. I can’t effin wait.
 

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Ok. I’ll bite.

1. QB
Lions
Packers
Bears
Vikes…J. Love had good year but c’mmon maaaaaynne…to put his 1 year over Goff’s resume is just silly. Everyone else is what it is.
Exactly my thought. I felt that Jordan Love played well even during the rough patch in the first half, but until he proves can sustain greatness...he is an unknown. Dantes - I think that you did a great analysis overall. However, knocking Goff down a notch because you don't know how they'll pay him in the future shouldn't be a part of the calculation. He is the only proven, stable, and consistently good QB in the division.
Overall : no one can justify saying they’ll be better than the Lions till it’s settled on the field. I’ve rewatched our games against them and they don’t scare me. I think Bears and GB fighting for #2 and one of us may knock Detroit off their pedestal. Gonna be a fantastic season. I can’t effin wait.
Couldn't agree more.
 

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Safety: Much like the Lions at cornerback, the Packers went hard at this position. They added the best overall safety in the division in Xavier McKinney and then spent three draft picks on some interesting talents. The Bears have a quality starter in Jaquan Brisker, but will be trying to get by next to him with a declining Kevin Byard. The depth lacks youth/upside (they actually have two GB cast-offs in Owens and Moore). The Detroit mix at safety is pretty boom/bust. Melfionwu is going to be asked to play a much bigger role. Both he and Joseph can take the ball away, but they can also allow their shares of big plays. Minnesota is still trying to make things work with a declining Harrison Smith and Camryn Bynum after Lewis Cine has proven to be a total bust.

1. Packers
2. Bears

3. Lions
4. Vikings
In this instance, I'm not sure why the Vikings are in last place. While Smith is aging and declining, he is still a very smart and capable safety. Bynum is better than Darnell Savage was for Green Bay.

As for the Packers, our safeties have zero experience in our system and for the most part at the pro level. I have high expectations but nothing to hang those on except for hope.
 

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Quarterback: The rest of the division finds themselves, once again, looking up at Green Bay at the most important position. Love clearly demonstrated elite traits and tons of growth last season. The future is very bright. Goff is a very good QB for Detroit, though I question how sustainable their success will be once they've had to pay him and his supporting cast. Both the Bears and Vikings are going to be breaking in rookies, with Chicago obviously having the much more highly regarded talent of the two.

1. Packers
2. Lions
3. Bears
4. Vikings
I would flip Goff and Love. Love really only had a good second half of the season. Now, it was pretty stellar and there's huge potential with Love. I do think he takes the next step to elite next season. In the same respect, he has to prove it. Present day, Goff is more experienced and proven.
Running Back: Green Bay signed Jacobs this off-season who, for my money, is the best overall back in this division. They're backing him up with an explosive rookie and a very reliable pro in A.J. Dillon who can handle some key roles, such as blitz pickup. The Lions are close with the duo of Montgomery and Gibbs, who are both strong options and complement each other well. I wouldn't argue with someone who ranked them 1st, but I think they get a touch overrated as independent talents because they run behind the best line in the division. The Bears added Swift to their backfield to join Herbert and Johnson, and that's a quality addition, but they're going to see more modest production than he showed running behinds the Eagles' offensive line. Minnesota again brings up the rear: Aaron Jones is a stud, but he's aging and needs to be used in a complementary fashion. The rest of their backfield is pretty unimpressive.

1. Packers
2. Lions
3. Bears
4. Vikings
Jacobs is coming off injury and we don't know what we have in Lloyd yet. I'm excited about the signing and the drafting of Lloyd. At this time, I would kind of say the same thing about Montgomery and Gibbs that I did about Goff. Montgomery just seems to constantly be eating up yards and generally stays healthy. Gibbs proved he is a legit NFL starting RB as well. Unless Gibbs has a sophomore slump, their one-two punch is better.
Tight End: At the top, one has to choose between quantity and quality. The Packers had two very talented rookies demonstrate a lot of promise in 2023, but neither were particularly close to the level of Sam LaPorta. Given his excellence in the passing game, I'm giving Detroit the nod here. I do, however, rank GB ahead of the Vikings despite the fact that Hockenson is of a similar quality to 2023 LaPorta. My reasoning is that, entering year 6 and age 27, Hockenson is basically a finished product (and a good one!). The tight ends in Detroit and Green Bay are all 23 and entering year 2, when most talented players take a big leap. The Bears are an easy 4th place with the decent, but unspectacular duo of Kmet and Everett.

1. Lions
2. Packers
3. Vikings
4. Bears
I honestly would put the Packers third here and probably MN in the 1 spot. I felt like Hockenson played at an elite level last season breaking tons of MN records. He outplayed every TE in the North. While I love the potential of Musgrave and Kraft, they need to prove it.
Wide Receiver: The Bears don't have the best receiver in the division, but I think they have the best group overall. D.J. Moore is a quality WR1, Keenan Allen adds a high end possession option, and Rome Odunze was, for my money, the best overall player in the draft. I think he is flat out better than Harrison Jr. and Nabers and should make an instant impact. The Packers don't have a clearly defined #1 option, but they go 4-5 deep with serious quality players while also being so young at the position that there's a lot of expected growth. Minnesota has the best overall player at the position, but he doesn't have much help. Addison exceeded my expectations last season but I suspect he will won't look quite as capable without Cousins. Meanwhile the depth chart beyond those two is bleak. Detroit is similar, but worse off-- St. Brown is excellent and the rest of the depth chart sucks.

1. Bears
2. Packers
3. Vikings

4. Lions
I'd take MN's WR corp. over any in the North. Just having Jefferson alone makes them #1 and then add Addison to the mix. I'm not sold on the Bears at all. Allen is constantly hurt and he is getting older. Odunze has yet to take a snap and will have to play with a rookie. Of which, I personally think is overrated. We will find out. I'd keep the Pack at #2 and put the Bears at #3.
Cornerback: The Bears are complete with proven talent after keeping Jaylon Johnson. Tyrique Stevenson provided quality play as a rookie and Kyler Gordon is a good nickel. The Lions were abysmal at corner last year, but they have thrown a ton of resources at it. Carlton Davis is probably not the player he was, but he's surrounded by other investments: Terrion Arnold, Ennis Rakestraw Jr., Amik Robertson, and Emmanuel Moseley coming back from injury. With so much of the group being new, there are a lot of possible outcomes here, but they'll be somewhat stabilized by Davis and Branch holding down the slot. Green Bay has the best pure corner when he's healthy in Jaire Alexander, but he hasn't been reliable of late. If Stokes comes back healthy and competes well with Valentine, the other position could be well-manned. I don't care much for Nixon on defense. The Packers' group has the talent to outplay this ranking (especially if Hafley's approach to defense unlocks them), but they haven't earned the benefit of the doubt. The Vikings are still really weak at corner overall. Their main addition in the draft was a 25 year old developmental guy in round 4.

1. Bears
2. Lions

3. Packers
4. Vikings
I'm a little baffled at this one. The Packers gave up 3515 yards through the air last season. This got them ranked 9th in the league. The Bears and Lions both gave up over 4000 yards and ranks 25th and 27th. Even MN ranked better at 24th. There were some really bad secondary play in the North. Now, agreed that the Lions got Arnold. He also has yet to take an NFL snap. I would actually slide the Bears to the 3rd spot here. While I too have bias towards the Pack, I think their corners are the best unit. Alexander played much better down the stretch when it seemed as though Barry was put on notice. I truly believe MLF stepped in and made some changes that helped his play. Stokes, while often injured, played really well when in and offseason chatter has said he looks better than ever. I think they drafted Bullard for the slot and yes, he has yet to take an NFL snap too. Overall, I feel the Packers group, mainly because of Alexander, it the most talented and lock down. MN stinks. Every secondary got better this offseason except theirs.
Conclusion: After working through this exercise at each spot, it yielded a conclusion that matches my overall expectations for the season. I think Green Bay has the best roster in the North, top to bottom, but that Detroit is right there. Given that 2024 shouldn't find Jordan Love trying to find his way for the first half of the season, I would expect the Packers to take the division, but the Lions will be a challenge to hold off and will certainly be a wildcard team if they can't win the title outright. The Bears are feisty and have some legit talent on the roster. They will go as far as their rookie QB can take them, but they are a clear 3rd place to me and I am not quite as bullish on Caleb Williams as the public. I think there's a real chance that he struggles personally given his oddities and personality. That's not PC to say, so it hasn't come up a lot in the media. The Vikings are in trouble. They are a nice landing spot for a rookie QB, but they will be chasing points all year. Flores got deep in his bag last season and had the defense way outplaying their talent level, but it was smoke and mirrors. By the end of the season, they were found out and were allowing 30 ppg. The talent level is dreadful and I simply don't believe that Flores will pull the rabbit out of the hat again.
I didn't really disagree with most of your points. I skipped the parts I completely agreed with. Overall, that was a fun exercise and appreciate you putting that together. GPG!
 

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Hahahaha I found it after papa somebody put the Bears C and the toilet next to it so almost exact same photo but I think this is better cause you can’t have the G without the log of shiite.
 

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Oh and Krabs is crazy to think that the Bears WR room is 3rd in the division. C’mmmmon Maaaayyynne. Put the pipe down.
 

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Oh and Krabs is crazy to think that the Bears WR room is 3rd in the division. C’mmmmon Maaaayyynne. Put the pipe down.
I gave my reasons. I'm not a drug abuser. Allen is often injured and old. DJ Moore is good, but there's better. The other is a rookie. There's plenty of rookies that don't work out. Sure, he was a great college player, but time and time again we see WRs taken highly that bust out. I like the Packers WRs better. Watson, Doubs, Reed, Wicks, Heath, Melton... I like Jefferson and Addison better than the Bears WR room as well. Just opinion. I've been wrong before and I'm sure I will be again. No pipes were involved.
 
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Thanks for all the feedback everyone. I'll respond in more detail later.

I'll just say for now that I disagree vehemently with the idea of Goff over Love. This exercise is about who will be the best in 2024, not who has the most accomplishments behind them. Love consistently made plays last season that Goff couldn't dream of attempting. He's head and shoulders the better player of the two.
 

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Thanks for all the feedback everyone. I'll respond in more detail later.

I'll just say for now that I disagree vehemently with the idea of Goff over Love. This exercise is about who will be the best in 2024, not who has the most accomplishments behind them. Love consistently made plays last season that Goff couldn't dream of attempting. He's head and shoulders the better player of the two.
You're right. I'm basing my opinion off of last season and Goff's prior successes. I too think that Love will be better in the long run. I looking more at the 2025 season for the take over.
 

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Thanks for all the feedback everyone. I'll respond in more detail later.

I'll just say for now that I disagree vehemently with the idea of Goff over Love. This exercise is about who will be the best in 2024, not who has the most accomplishments behind them. Love consistently made plays last season that Goff couldn't dream of attempting. He's head and shoulders the better player of the two.
I gave my reasons. I'm not a drug abuser. Allen is often injured and old. DJ Moore is good, but there's better. The other is a rookie. There's plenty of rookies that don't work out. Sure, he was a great college player, but time and time again we see WRs taken highly that bust out. I like the Packers WRs better. Watson, Doubs, Reed, Wicks, Heath, Melton... I like Jefferson and Addison better than the Bears WR room as well. Just opinion. I've been wrong before and I'm sure I will be again. No pipes were involved.
Ok buddy. Just joking about the pipe. I personally prefer water pipes for my tobacco products hahaha.
You’re making a prediction for Love’s 2nd season starting like I’m predicting Odunze to produce mightily for my Bears.
It has been an entertaining exercise.
 

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Ok buddy. Just joking about the pipe. I personally prefer water pipes for my tobacco products hahaha.
You’re making a prediction for Love’s 2nd season starting like I’m predicting Odunze to produce mightily for my Bears.
It has been an entertaining exercise.
I know you were joking about the pipe, as was I.
 

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I'll just say for now that I disagree vehemently with the idea of Goff over Love. This exercise is about who will be the best in 2024, not who has the most accomplishments behind them. Love consistently made plays last season that Goff couldn't dream of attempting. He's head and shoulders the better player of the two.
It's fine for us all to disagree, since we are making predictions for the future. I certainly hope that Love is better in 2024. I expect him to be better in 2024 and beyond. He has a much higher ceiling than Goff at this point. However, for as much as I was standing on a soapbox mid-season in 2023 saying that Love was better than people thought, he has to prove it before he gets a crown. He had a great run and that can never be taken away, but Goff has to be taken off of his throne.

As Charles Barkley once said (I can't believe that I just did that), "You can't wait around for your opponent to die, you have to kill them." Love has to go out and establish himself as the best. I hope that it's this year but I'm still not sure if we will be better than the Lions in 2024, especially at QB.
 
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Ok buddy. Just joking about the pipe. I personally prefer water pipes for my tobacco products hahaha.
You’re making a prediction for Love’s 2nd season starting like I’m predicting Odunze to produce mightily for my Bears.
It has been an entertaining exercise.

For what it’s worth, I am also sky high on Odunze.
 

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For what it’s worth, I am also sky high on Odunze.
Me too and it sucks. I have no problem rooting for any viking player to have an off year but I really would like to root for Odunze. I guess I'll have to hope that he becomes as good as I think he can become but Williams sucks and the Bears trade Odunze for the #1 pick in 2026 when they need to take another whack at a franchise QB.
 
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It's fine for us all to disagree, since we are making predictions for the future. I certainly hope that Love is better in 2024. I expect him to be better in 2024 and beyond. He has a much higher ceiling than Goff at this point. However, for as much as I was standing on a soapbox mid-season in 2023 saying that Love was better than people thought, he has to prove it before he gets a crown. He had a great run and that can never be taken away, but Goff has to be taken off of his throne.

As Charles Barkley once said (I can't believe that I just did that), "You can't wait around for your opponent to die, you have to kill them." Love has to go out and establish himself as the best. I hope that it's this year but I'm still not sure if we will be better than the Lions in 2024, especially at QB.

Yeah, and I would argue that Love already did that.
 
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You're right. I'm basing my opinion off of last season and Goff's prior successes. I too think that Love will be better in the long run. I looking more at the 2025 season for the take over.

Ok, so here's my question: why 2025? Love was clearly the better player down the stretch just this last season.
 
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I would flip Goff and Love. Love really only had a good second half of the season. Now, it was pretty stellar and there's huge potential with Love. I do think he takes the next step to elite next season. In the same respect, he has to prove it. Present day, Goff is more experienced and proven.

Jacobs is coming off injury and we don't know what we have in Lloyd yet. I'm excited about the signing and the drafting of Lloyd. At this time, I would kind of say the same thing about Montgomery and Gibbs that I did about Goff. Montgomery just seems to constantly be eating up yards and generally stays healthy. Gibbs proved he is a legit NFL starting RB as well. Unless Gibbs has a sophomore slump, their one-two punch is better.

I honestly would put the Packers third here and probably MN in the 1 spot. I felt like Hockenson played at an elite level last season breaking tons of MN records. He outplayed every TE in the North. While I love the potential of Musgrave and Kraft, they need to prove it.

I'd take MN's WR corp. over any in the North. Just having Jefferson alone makes them #1 and then add Addison to the mix. I'm not sold on the Bears at all. Allen is constantly hurt and he is getting older. Odunze has yet to take a snap and will have to play with a rookie. Of which, I personally think is overrated. We will find out. I'd keep the Pack at #2 and put the Bears at #3.

I'm a little baffled at this one. The Packers gave up 3515 yards through the air last season. This got them ranked 9th in the league. The Bears and Lions both gave up over 4000 yards and ranks 25th and 27th. Even MN ranked better at 24th. There were some really bad secondary play in the North. Now, agreed that the Lions got Arnold. He also has yet to take an NFL snap. I would actually slide the Bears to the 3rd spot here. While I too have bias towards the Pack, I think their corners are the best unit. Alexander played much better down the stretch when it seemed as though Barry was put on notice. I truly believe MLF stepped in and made some changes that helped his play. Stokes, while often injured, played really well when in and offseason chatter has said he looks better than ever. I think they drafted Bullard for the slot and yes, he has yet to take an NFL snap too. Overall, I feel the Packers group, mainly because of Alexander, it the most talented and lock down. MN stinks. Every secondary got better this offseason except theirs.

I didn't really disagree with most of your points. I skipped the parts I completely agreed with. Overall, that was a fun exercise and appreciate you putting that together. GPG!

If you could trade Kraft and Musgrave for Hockenson right now, straight up, would you do it? I sure wouldn't.

There's a difference between rating an overall pass defense (which factors pass rush and the coverage ability of safeties/linebackers in addition to corners) and rating the ability of a cornerback group in a vacuum. The Bears' pass defense may not have been outstanding, but Jaylon Johnson, Tyrique Stevenson, and a Kyler Gordon is the best starting trio in the division and among the best in the NFL.
 
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Ok. I’ll bite.

1. QB
Lions
Packers
Bears
Vikes…J. Love had good year but c’mmon maaaaaynne…to put his 1 year over Goff’s resume is just silly. Everyone else is what it is.

2. RB
Lions
Packers/Bears
Vikes…. Monty and Gibbs are best 1-2 punch and they run behind monsters. Jacobs is good signing but rookie who has fumble issues… I’ll barely give you nod at better overall but A.J. a year older and healthy(?) but Swift, RoJo and Herbert might prove to be the best top to bottom.

3. TE I’ll just say Kmet is just as good as Hock. Look at the #’s. Kmet is bout 52 receptions for 550 and 3.75 TD per year. Hock’s is bout 56 receptions 590 and bout 3.8 TD per year. Justin Fields was throwing to Kmet. Caleb’s better. La Porta is a bad bad man. I think the whole division is good at TE.

4. WR Bears best. Jefferson best individual. We’ll see who steps up for GB this year. Amun Ra rolling solo. Agree with assessment.

5. O-line.
Lions
Bears
Pack
Vikes…if the Center position is fixed and we stay relatively healthy the sky is the limit for the Bears offense.

Just gonna say we have the best young Defense. If a second edge rusher is acquired or develops….QB’s will be running for their lives. You will know who Gervon DexterBest LBs and best secondary.

Special Teams/Kicker.
Bears P Tory Taylor is legit. Watch the highlight reel before speaking. Santos is above average kicker. I think we’re best so don’t care about anyone else’s.

Overall : no one can justify saying they’ll be better than the Lions till it’s settled on the field. I’ve rewatched our games against them and they don’t scare me. I think Bears and GB fighting for #2 and one of us may knock Detroit off their pedestal. Gonna be a fantastic season. I can’t effin wait.

QB: I know it's hard to accept that the Packers found another elite signal caller. I will respect your cope in this difficult time.

OL: I do not see how the Bears deserve to be rated ahead of the Packers when they were already worse last year and the Packers made a 1st round investment.

It was already settled on the field. The Packers struggled against Detroit early in the season when their young QB was finding his sea legs. That very obviously happened mid-season and they trounced the Lions. This is Green Bay's division once again.
 
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Me too and it sucks. I have no problem rooting for any viking player to have an off year but I really would like to root for Odunze. I guess I'll have to hope that he becomes as good as I think he can become but Williams sucks and the Bears trade Odunze for the #1 pick in 2026 when they need to take another whack at a franchise QB.

I'm not terribly worried. The Bears have been around since 1920 and have never managed to field a dangerous passing offense.
 

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