OFFICIAL DEFENSIVE ISSUES THREAD

[packerfan4ever]

I think d-line is fine yea they give up a lot of yards,but they make some big plays ,I feel the d will be a lot better when the time comes,plus cobb is going get yards for the o-line,the team is well rounded,I don't' pats d-line is worse than ours but they have a good o-line that's what we have but our d-line is better they get interceptions.saints can be a problem but think our d-line will stop their run game,and make Brees pass a lot and when you do that well look what Matthews did did to Manning,every one said giants were the ones we needed to worry about now it's chiefs Raiders I think the pack will be 16-0 and playoffs to s.b. win A-Rod showed what o-line can do in 58 seconds crosby showed what he can do in 3 seconds I have to think they can come through for the whole thing faith in the pack.

 

[Jules]

http://www.packers.com/news-and-eve...reatness/b0973239-357d-448f-8c89-f59e541d8aa5

“People study tape. Whatever you put on tape, you’re going to see. You’re going to see it until you stop it. I think our guys are aware of that,” Capers told reporters on Monday, the day after quarterback
Aaron Rodgers

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drove the Packers 68 yards in the final minute of the game to defeat the New York Giants, 38-35.

Head Coach Mike McCarthy stood up for the defense in his press conference on Monday, largely because defense was the constant that carried the Packers through tough times last season en route to the Super Bowl XLV title.

“In my time here, our defense has stood up in adversity situations so much more than offense,” McCarthy said, citing the fact that Sunday’s win represented a rare occasion when the offense was forced to score late for the Packers to win.

“I don’t think you ever want to live like that,” Capers said, referring to another game in which the defense allowed more than 400 yards of offense. “We want to make improvement in the big-play area.”

If the defense can just eliminate the big plays, the yardage it’s surrendering would decline dramatically. At MetLife Stadium, the Packers allowed a 67-yard catch-and-run touchdown by tight end Travis Beckum, and receptions of 51 and 42 yards by wide receivers Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz respectively.

Nicks’ reception was the result of a communication problem.

“We did have a couple of times when the headset went out. One of them did cost us. I made a call and it ended up in them making a big play,” Capers said, referring to Nicks’ reception on what was the Giants’ first play of the second half.

The Packers continue to have difficulty defending the deep-post route.

“We have to play it better and know we’re going to see that route when we’re in that coverage,” Capers said.

 

[Texas9erFan]

The Browns, Seahawks and Jaguars all got "top ranked" defenses.... how's that working out?

It's the Arena Football League these days.... Run The Football/Defense = like using sticks n' stones during world war 2.

WRONG.​

Arena League...really?!?!

The 49ers, Ravens and Texans all have "top ranked" defenses and it's working quite well. Thank you.
The best way to match-up with an elite offense, is with an elite defense. The Packers haven't lost because they haven't faced an elite defense yet. The Saints have lost to the Rams and they're one of the worst teams in the league at 2-10! The Saints have also lost 3 games on the road this year and since they'll be playing the divisional round at the 'Stick, I'll take the Niners to win that one.

 

[Jules]

The best way to match-up with an elite offense, is with an elite defense. The Packers haven't lost because they haven't faced an elite defense yet. The Saints have lost to the Rams and they're one of the worst teams in the league at 2-10! The Saints have also lost 3 games on the road this year and since they'll be playing the divisional round at the 'Stick, I'll take the Niners to win that one.

The Packers faced an elite D in the Super Bowl. And won. That SB is part of their 18 game win streak. You could also call the Bears of last year an elite D? The Packers beat them three time in this win streak, at the very least last years Bears were a top 10 D.

The two defenses to me that are elite or close to it every single year and the most proven are Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

I simply do not think there is anything most D's can do to rattle Aaron even if **** Lebeau and his experienced squad couldn't in the biggest stage of all in Aaron's first Super Bowl. If you want to out score them go ahead and try. We have seen teams try it too. It's tough as hell. The Packers just have more weapons and a more complete QB.

Now the best example for me anyway in recent years of a truly elite D going against a truly elite O is the 2006 Colts O vs. the 2006 Ravens D. That Ravens D was a beast but had a lackluster offense, scary thing is that Baltimore O finished the year ranked 17th in offense and the Niners only rank 24th right now in offense. That 2006 Ravens D though was ranked first in defense, 6th against the pass, 2nd in rushing defense, first in interceptions, first in scoring and second in sacks. That D was an animal. And did they give the Colts O trouble? They sure did. Held them to only FGs. But, on the flip side the Ravens OFFENSE was not good enough. So the Colts just simply got more FGs and won the game in Baltimore after I heard they would get destroyed all week. I had no doubts the Colts win that game. I even took a nap before it. Just simply had to stop the run and make them beat us with the pass. And they could not.

These Packers are going to be really really really tough to beat no matter what the defensive numbers say.

 

[Croak]

Shouldn't this be merged under the "Official Defensive Issues Thread"? It's really getting hard to keep track of all the duplicate threads regarding the same subjects.

 

[Jules]

Shouldn't this be merged under the "Official Defensive Issues Thread"? It's really getting hard to keep track of all the duplicate threads regarding the same subjects.

Yeah probably.

Where is the offensive issues thread? I mean, Aaron throws a pick vs. the Bucs and Giants. I see guys dropping passes. I won't stand for this crap much longer. I am sick of the D having to carry these bums on offense every week.

 

[DevilDon]

Yeah probably.

Where is the offensive issues thread? I mean, Aaron throws a pick vs. the Bucs and Giants. I see guys dropping passes. I won't stand for this crap much longer. I am sick of the D having to carry these bums on offense every week.

I know, you'd like to think a professional caliber team like this can put up some points. But have some hope Jules, I think James Starks can contribute.
You have to wonder with an offense like this how they are going to compete with a great defense. I know everyone thinks the Packers can put up 50 per week but you know at some point a really good defensive team will hold us to 34 or so.

 

[grampi]

Ummmm I think they can go at least 12 and 0 and COUNTING. No one has stopped them yet. Oh, and by the way, we already beat the Saints, so we are prepared to do it again. In fact, this Packers team is like the Saints team that won the superbowl because we have an opportunistic defense that is number 1 in takeaways. Is the defense struggling compared to last year? absolutely. Can any other team in the NFL put up more points than us head to head? NOT SO FAR!

And my condolenses about you being a Redskins fan, that must really suck.

Of course it sucks, but not any worse than it did for you guys between '68 and '96....

 

[grampi]

Forget Favre

I do give credit to the Giants as they played an incredible game, as have other teams this year against the Packers, but many have been teams with poor offenses (based on their play against other teams, and based on stats) and that doesn't bode well for the Packer D. I agree with most of the replies in here that the Packer offense is probably good enough to take this team to 19-0, but you can't deny, this defense is not good. The stats don't lie.

 

[13 Times Champs]

Of course it sucks, but not any worse than it did for you guys between '68 and '96....

Your time line is a bit off. The drought was from 1968 to 1991. We started improving in 1992 and made the playoffs in 1993. With your current ownership and coach youy will easily surpass that number of years.

 

[13 Times Champs]

Newton has burned practically everyone, Ponder had a good game with not too much tape to study off of. And the most important thing is they bend but they don't break. And its not like our D hasn't saved us last year, with the last minute interceptions to end the game in the Eagles and Chicago game. Plus our D is the best at making interceptions, the best way to do it is make them throw.

Well you are about the only one that is blaming our offense for our defensive woes.

 

[grampi]

Your time line is a bit off. the drought was from 1968 to 1991. We started improving in 1992 and made the playoffs in 1993. With your current ownership and coach youy will easily surpass that number of years.

I only count the amount of time between Superbowls. Making the playoffs doesn't matter. I also don't count the seasons the Redskins made the playoffs. I didn't come here to talk about the Redskins, but you seem hellbent on trashing my team. I'm not trashing your's, so what's your problem? I know my team sucks, there's no need to keep rubbing my face in the dirt...

 

[13 Times Champs]

I only count the amount of time between Superbowls. Making the playoffs doesn't matter. I also don't count the seasons the Redskins made the playoffs. I didn't come here to talk about the Redskins, but you seem hellbent on trashing my team. I'm not trashing your's, so what's your problem?

I responded to your comment about our dearth with you making a snide remark about it. Does one post equal keep rubbing and hellbent to you?

 

[Croak]

I just read on NFL.com that Clay Matthews is leading the league in QB knockdowns and hurries.

 

[Greenbayphil]

I just read on NFL.com that Clay Matthews is leading the league in QB knockdowns and hurries.

Yup and with the secondary not covering like they did last year, QB's can get the ball away alot quicker, resulting in what seems like a bad pass rush.

 

[longtimefan]

Shouldn't this be merged under the "Official Defensive Issues Thread"? It's really getting hard to keep track of all the duplicate threads regarding the same subjects.

Yes, I just saw it...

People can report threads and provide info in the report...It helps out a lot since we might not be reading every thread

 

[TJV]

How would the 49ers stack up against the Packers? Well, that's why they play the games, isn't it?

It hasn't been "your Dad's NFL" for some time now. Now, IMO passing, defending the pass, and taking care of the ball are most important qualities of teams wanting to succeed in the playoffs. Of course there are exceptions to every rule but I think that trend, along with rule changes which favor passing offenses, is well established. IMO teams just have to run the ball well enough so opponents have to respect the run and can't just go crazy getting after the QB.

Both teams do a good job of taking care of the ball. The 49ers are first in TO ratio at +18 and the Packers are second at +16. The 49ers have intercepted 16 passes (Packers 23) but have recovered 12 fumbles (Packers just 4), so both Ds are taking the ball away at a good rate and their respective offenses taking care of it.

IMO the key to the game would be what kind of job the 49er's D would do vs. the Packers' prolific passing offense. The Packers have this season's best QB and best receiver corp. Yes, I'm a livelong Packers fanatic; even so I think that statement is objectively true. The 49ers are first in the most important defensive stat, scoring. Kudos to them on that. If they meet the Packers in the playoffs we'll get to see a matchup of the number one scoring offense vs. the number one scoring defense. But how well do the 9ers defend the pass? They are 4th in opponents' passer rating at 74.9 (by comparison the Packers D is 10th at 79.8). The 9ers are 8th in opponents' completion percentage (Packers D is 15th). The 9ers have recorded just 3 more sacks at 29 than the Packers' D has so far. And the 9ers are #16 in surrendering passing yards (Packers D is 31st) but that's the least important stat IMO.

IMO the 49ers would have to get consistent pressure on Rodgers rushing four while covering extremely well. I would love this matchup because I think the 49ers offense, scoring an average of 24 points/game would prove to be the weak link in the game. I fear the Saints prolific offense, even with their 19th ranked scoring defense, more than the 49ers. But who knows? That's why they play the games.

 

[Texas9erFan]

The Packers faced an elite D in the Super Bowl. And won. That SB is part of their 18 game win streak. You could also call the Bears of last year an elite D? The Packers beat them three time in this win streak, at the very least last years Bears were a top 10 D.

Yes, but that was last year, and last year the Pack had a good defense. This year, not so much.

I simply do not think there is anything most D's can do to rattle Aaron even if **** Lebeau and his experienced squad couldn't in the biggest stage of all in Aaron's first Super Bowl. If you want to out score them go ahead and try. We have seen teams try it too. It's tough as hell. The Packers just have more weapons and a more complete QB.

I'm not gauranteeing a Niner victory at all. I've said all year I think the Pack will go 19-0. I still think that's most likely to be true. I'm just saying don't count the Niners out. Which it seems everyone is doing right now. I guess I'm getting a bit perturbed at the lack of respect. They won their division with a shut-out victory and have the second best record in the league, but still they're ranked around #5 in most power polls. (All because of the Ravens game) And before anyone says "Yeah you shut out the 2-10 Rams, so what?" I would say we shut-out a team that beat the Saints and held the Packers scoreless for an entire half.

These Packers are going to be really really really tough to beat no matter what the defensive numbers say.

I wouldn't argue that for a moment. But come playoff time, I'd say that if the Niners can beat the Saints in the divisional round, they can beat anybody.

 

[realcaliforniacheese]

Yes, but that was last year, and last year the Pack had a good defense. This year, not so much.

I'm not gauranteeing a Niner victory at all. I've said all year I think the Pack will go 19-0. I still think that's most likely to be true. I'm just saying don't count the Niners out. Which it seems everyone is doing right now. I guess I'm getting a bit perturbed at the lack of respect. They won their division with a shut-out victory and have the second best record in the league, but still they're ranked around #5 in most power polls. (All because of the Ravens game) And before anyone says "Yeah you shut out the 2-10 Rams, so what?" I would say we shut-out a team that beat the Saints and held the Packers scoreless for an entire half.


I wouldn't argue that for a moment. But come playoff time, I'd say that if the Niners can beat the Saints in the divisional round, they can beat anybody.

I look forward to seeing you guys in Lambeau Jan 22 to settle this.

 

[Texas9erFan]

I look forward to seeing you guys in Lambeau Jan 22 to settle this.

Me too.

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[realcaliforniacheese]

Me too.

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So do you create all these yourself?

 

[VolvoD]

So do you create all these yourself?

Nah, he owns a DeLorean time machine...he took that ***** up to 88 miles per hour then took a screen shot of the future, traveled back in time and posted it all for us to see. He didn't want to take a picture of the final score though for obvious reasons.

 

[Forget Favre]

Forget Favre

I do give credit to the Giants as they played an incredible game, as have other teams this year against the Packers, but many have been teams with poor offenses (based on their play against other teams, and based on stats) and that doesn't bode well for the Packer D. I agree with most of the replies in here that the Packer offense is probably good enough to take this team to 19-0, but you can't deny, this defense is not good. The stats don't lie.

If, not when, if the Packers happen to lose a game, then I will admit the defense isn't that good.

 

[Texas9erFan]

Yup. I make 'em myself. I used to make nice chunk of change doing it, but nobody pays for photoshop work anymore... at least not without a design degree.

 

[13 Times Champs]

But come playoff time, I'd say that if the Niners can beat the Saints in the divisional round, they can beat anybody.

They won't.