Off Season News

[OldSchool101]

I still think

I still think we could go oline. We could use a couple more imho.

We pretty much have our starting Line. We usually keep 9
Morgan-Banks-Rhyan-Belton-Tom

Right now our backups are:

Kinnard (swing tackle)
Jennings (LG)
Monk (Center)
Williams (RG projected)
Glover (RT)

So if we add a pair they’d either go to PS or you’re cutting 3 of the above. Who would you cut or move?

 

[Pkrjones]

We pretty much have our starting Line. We usually keep 9
Morgan-Banks-Rhyan-Belton-Tom

Right now our backups are:

Kinnard (swing tackle)
Jennings (LG)
Monk (Center)
Williams (RG projected)
Glover (RT)

So if we add a pair they’d either go to PS or you’re cutting 3 of the above. Who would you cut or move?

I believe Jennings was ahead of Monk at both OC & OG last year, so Monk is already close to disposable. Williams may make Glover unnecessary IF he shows up to TC ready to seize the opportunity.
Glover & Monk. I really like Kinnard, so a rookie would need to be a STUD or else PS.

 

[gopkrs]

We pretty much have our starting Line. We usually keep 9
Morgan-Banks-Rhyan-Belton-Tom

Right now our backups are:

Kinnard (swing tackle)
Jennings (LG)
Monk (Center)
Williams (RG projected)
Glover (RT)

So if we add a pair they’d either go to PS or you’re cutting 3 of the above. Who would you cut or move?

Or they are better than who we have. I would cut whoever doesn't make the grade. Our o line was not that good last year. I'd like to draft starters and have the starters become backups. For 8nstance, I would like a top notched center. And I am not feeling secure at L tackle. I'd like to be able to move a defensive line someday.

 

[milani]

We pretty much have our starting Line. We usually keep 9
Morgan-Banks-Rhyan-Belton-Tom

Right now our backups are:

Kinnard (swing tackle)
Jennings (LG)
Monk (Center)
Williams (RG projected)
Glover (RT)

So if we add a pair they’d either go to PS or you’re cutting 3 of the above. Who would you cut or move?

They all will get PT if our D can get off the field.

 

[gopkrs]

They all will get PT if our D can get off the field.

The D will get real tired if the O line can't open holes and LaFleur wants to run the ball because we have a lead. Like the 1st 3 sets of down starting the 2nd half against the bears.

 

[gopkrs]

What's pt?

 

[tynimiller]

What's pt?

Playing time or I assumed that?

 

[milani]

What's pt?

Positive thoughts.

 

[OldSchool101]

Or they are better than who we have. I would cut whoever doesn't make the grade. Our o line was not that good last year. I'd like to draft starters and have the starters become backups. For 8nstance, I would like a top notched center. And I am not feeling secure at L tackle. I'd like to be able to move a defensive line someday.

ok just curious. So my feelings wouldn’t be hurt if we magically stole a FA upgrade like RG, Kevin Zeitler on a 2yr X $15Mil 50% guar type contract. Basically a 1yr +1yr. While that would push Belton down the food chain? I’d feel better about this lineup.

Kinnard looked like a keeper I doubt he’s going anywhere, him and Tom and Banks reason seasoned Vets now and in system. He’s also position versatile and he can catch a pass and rumble!

The only other idea would be to just go draft one of the top 3 choices at Center, move Rhyan back to RG, where it’s a more natural fit imo. It’s still holding up Belton, but he’s just a Sophomore and I’m very comfortable of having him as a primary backup in 2026. We can revisit starting 2027.

From what I understand just from memory, Travis Glover was impressive just before his injury. Matt was speaking to how they were excited about him making good strides.

As much as I like John Williams (reason I won our draft contest!)he’s a total unknown at the Pro level. Yet somehow I think he makes the Roster or if he does go PS? He might not get poached due to his injury recovery being unknown outside GB

Monk. For a guy I thought would have a medium m-high floor? Something just isn’t jiving. He was one of the most seasoned College players as a very rare starting Freshman and 5 year starter.., and also was asked to move from Center to Guard and back again and did it without hesitation and at a high level. Yet either he’s a late bloomer or a dud idk!? I’m totally 100% ok with PS if we signed another Center or even a cut.

So in summary. 1 OL is warranted, but I wouldn’t play with much but a Day 2 type that’s competing as Starter (C) or a RD7 where we can stash them without great threat of being poached OR a substantial Veteran if he’s no more then $6-7Mil area.

 

[CarryTheG14]

We pretty much have our starting Line. We usually keep 9
Morgan-Banks-Rhyan-Belton-Tom

Right now our backups are:

Kinnard (swing tackle)
Jennings (LG)
Monk (Center)
Williams (RG projected)
Glover (RT)

So if we add a pair they’d either go to PS or you’re cutting 3 of the above. Who would you cut or move?

Woof. I really hope Monk turns into a player ( loved the draft pick when it happened) because our depth is a lot left to be desired.

I'm interested in what they do. We need CB/NT Depth in the worst way. I hope Gute finds players that can help this year.

 

[tynimiller]

I mean odds are knowing our organization, likely minimum of two OL will be drafted, and if tendencies stay as they are one of them will be something for us either in 2026 or 2027. We also won't hesitate to grab a Kinnard type player from another team too.

 

[gopkrs]

I mean odds are knowing our organization, likely minimum of two OL will be drafted, and if tendencies stay as they are one of them will be something for us either in 2026 or 2027. We also won't hesitate to grab a Kinnard type player from another team too.

I'm a Kinnard fan. He seems solid. Is a good backup and can come in when we want an extra lineman. Which, imho, is better than bringing in an extra tight end.

 

[OldSchool101]

I mean odds are knowing our organization, likely minimum of two OL will be drafted, and if tendencies stay as they are one of them will be something for us either in 2026 or 2027. We also won't hesitate to grab a Kinnard type player from another team too.

My early guess is Kinnard and Glover (presuming his recovery is successful) are in solid. Meaning it’s their job to lose. On the fence are Jennings. Williams and Monk. Now Monk would normally be odd man out, but when Elgton got cut it gave him some security. If we draft a true Center? that = Monk is 90% gone.
Imo Williams is safe only because he’d fly under radar on PS. Both him and Glover Coming off injury won’t be on the hot radar to poach. Those 2 are likely safe even on PS. Then likely OL8- OL9 the second there’s an injury.

So we could conceivably draft 2 OL, but I think we have other areas to be focusing on:

1. Edge (after putting Enagbare and Gary out to pasture we are minus our EDGE2,Ed4)
2. QB2 (this is a premium backup position that needs focus)
3. CB (we still need better depth)
4. WR (we’re getting to have 3 FA)
5. TE2/TE3 projecting invest in Kraft and Luke a cap casualty. Whyle is a FA in 2026 so our entire TE room is on move. Position $ allocation= Draftee
6. DT (this was partially addressed but I’d bring in 1 more and keep a pair of these three guys, Brinson,Stack and Draftee)
7. RB we have room for a RB2 and it’s possible Lloyd is odd man out. Which puts us needing a RB2. Jacobs goes down.. do we really want Chris Brooks RB1? Lloyd? Scares the crap out of me. lol
8. LB. This is a maybe depending on Dumas or Hopper’s situation. Outside chance after bringing in Welch again. LB and RB are positions that do well from Day3. Value adds
9. Safety. Lost Zayne Anderson yesterday. There’s a Day 3 need

*We don’t really have the luxury of drafting multiple OL imo. We’d erase 3 or 4 of the above needs and have to cut recent draft picks at the position. If we address a pairing of the above needs in FA? that changes draft need.

 

[mradtke66]

The only other idea would be to just go draft one of the top 3 choices at Center, move Rhyan back to RG, where it’s a more natural fit imo.

I'm curious what suggests that Rhyan is more natural at Guard vs. Center.

 

[OldSchool101]

I'm curious what suggests that Rhyan is more natural at Guard vs. Center.

1. He was ranked in the top 11 most improved Packer players in 2024 year over year (2023-2024) at RG. So it’s factual that he was steadily improving.
His PFF ranking also jumped to 61.3%.

2. He ranked a PFF 40th of 40 Centers in Pass protect in 2025.

3. He came in at #31 graded overall of 40 Qualified Centers.

Don’t put me in a trick bag now.
I never said he’s never going to be a good Center. I also never made any accusation he should not play Center. I answered a direct question why he’s a better Guard than Center at this immediate point of time. That was the direct question presented in post #89

If you put a dedicated Center in that ranked 20 of 40 applicants and moved Sean to RG Today? The immediate effect would be a marked improving at OL imo. For record I think Sean has been admirable for a guy shoved into that role mid season. I’m about 75% sure he would grade 60-70% percentile or higher as a RG in 2026. He’s already been there in 2024.

I’m about 30% he’ll grade that High as a Center in 2026. He currently sits at 23%tile against Centers.

 

[mradtke66]

1. He was ranked in the top 11 most improved Packer players in 2024 year over year (2023-2024) at RG. So it’s factual that he was steadily improving.
His PFF ranking also jumped to 61.3%.

2. He ranked a PFF 40th of 40 Centers in Pass protect in 2025.

3. He came in at #31 graded overall of 40 Qualified Centers.

Don’t put me in a trick bag now.
I never said he’s never going to be a good Center. I also never made any accusation he should not play Center. I answered a direct question why he’s a better Guard than Center at this immediate point of time. That was the direct question presented in post #89

No trick intended, you answered my question.

IF I am to pick nits, I would say that just because he improved at Guard does not mean he's better there compared to Center. His PFF grade at guard of 61.3? His overall center grade was 59. I'd call that a wash.

I'm more of the mind that center is the easiest place to hide a weak player, so long as he's smart enough to hang.

 

[OldSchool101]

No trick intended, you answered my question.

IF I am to pick nits, I would say that just because he improved at Guard does not mean he's better there compared to Center. His PFF grade at guard of 61.3? His overall center grade was 59. I'd call that a wash.

I'm more of the mind that center is the easiest place to hide a weak player, so long as he's smart enough to hang.

Np. But grades at C and G aren’t the same. The field of Centers are much smaller in number. That’s a common mistake is people grade an Edge against a DT and the field of each position is totally different.

If you have 40 teams in college FBS your ranking would swing wildly.
If you have 132 teams (which is around normal) your ranking is stabilized

Not to mention you could have a year of lower grades Centers. It’s not a good way to compare. Compare center to center. Compare Guard to Guard. I’ve made a mistake cross grading it doesn’t align

While I might agree on hiding a weaker player. I don’t think Sean is weak at RG. He grades top 70% in 2024. So do we put him where his known strength is. Or do we put him where we hope his strength is? Sometimes it’s out of need and that’s fine (2025). We still have a choice though as of now and that’s all I’m offering is a choice.

 

[OldSchool101]

If I’m GM and a Center ranked #65 on my board comes across my plate at #84? There’s a 99.8793 chance I’m taking him. Us UW-L alumni think alike!

You all will be glad I’m not GM I’m sure!

PS Sean would probably thank me guards have more security $$
No Pun intended!

 

[mradtke66]

Np. But grades at C and G aren’t the same. The field of Centers are much smaller in number. That’s a common mistake is people grade an Edge against a DT and the field of each position is totally different.

If you have 40 teams in college FBS your ranking would swing wildly.
If you have 132 teams (which is around normal) your ranking is stabilized

Not to mention you could have a year of lower grades Centers. It’s not a good way to compare. Compare center to center. Compare Guard to Guard. I’ve made a mistake cross grading it doesn’t align

While I might agree on hiding a weaker player. I don’t think Sean is weak at RG. He grades top 70% in 2024. So do we put him where his known strength is. Or do we put him where we hope his strength is? Sometimes it’s out of need and that’s fine (2025). We still have a choice though as of now and that’s all I’m offering is a choice.

It feels like you’re conflating grades vs rankings? A grade is just a grade, not a ranking exactly.

PFF normalizes their grades and aims for roughly 60 to be average. If he has a grade of 59 in one position and 61.5 in the other, I’d call him equally good at both. Nothing more, nothing less.

His position ranking of 31st or whatever (and 40th at pass blocking) is potentially concerning.

 

[OldSchool101]

It feels like you’re conflating grades vs rankings? A grade is just a grade, not a ranking exactly.

PFF normalizes their grades and aims for roughly 60 to be average. If he has a grade of 59 in one position and 61.5 in the other, I’d call him equally good at both. Nothing more, nothing less.

His position ranking of 31st or whatever (and 40th at pass blocking) is potentially concerning.

The reason I know this is not accurate is I follow them closely. Now I believe someone might’ve said that in error that’s possible. Also “aims for” is not definitive so right there shows it’s variable.
We’ve had players rank #56/110 and have a 54.6% grade. If the above was true they’re over 60%. I’ve tried to figure their “average” out for years but it’s a moving target.

Generally speaking 54-59% is a normal range.

Here’s an example

Sean Rhyan Ryan is currently PFf ranked #31 of 40 eligible Overall
That is bottom 1/4 of the league. Actually bottom 22.5% percentile to

How is his overall PFF grade 59.0%??

The math isn’t there.

 

[gopkrs]

Personally, I think we're depending way too much on grading and numbers. Nothing imho is better than watching games or a realistic reel which scouts or position coaches should be able to put together. Cleveland probably did that, and also knew they were his last shot without waiting. If they had thought he was a $20M a year player; they would have tried to tie him up longer. i.e., given him more dough.

 

[OldSchool101]

Personally, I think we're depending way too much on grading and numbers. Nothing imho is better than watching games or a realistic reel which scouts or position coaches should be able to put together. Cleveland probably did that, and also knew they were his last shot without waiting. If they had thought he was a $20M a year player; they would have tried to tie him up longer. i.e., given him more dough.

Umm. How do you think they grade? They watch the tape!

PFF uses hundred of simulations from players, coaches and scouts to form a composite. Which is exactly what’s you just described. You’ve just made the case for PFF without knowing it.

 

[gopkrs]

Umm. How do you think they grade? They watch the tape!

PFF uses hundred of simulations from players, coaches and scouts to form a composite. Which is exactly what’s you just described. You’ve just made the case for PFF without knowing it.

And why do you think different GMs have different grades on players? It's not because they use pff as a bible.

 

[tynimiller]

Rhyan’s grading is tough to gauge though as two entirely different positions he played as well. Morphing those cleanly together is not a clean way but only way to do it

 

[CarryTheG14]

https://x.com/br_betting/status/2032602445659197652?s=20

Alright! Who was it lol?!?!