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[Heyjoe4]

For Jordan Love, Toyotathon’s About More Than Ugly Sweaters, Trading Cards

GREEN BAY, Wis. – Toyotathon opened for business on Sunday, and Jordan Love celebrated like always. He threw two touchdown passes, including the go-ahead score

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Thanks Pkr. I had no idea this was a "thing". And there are no coincidences......

 

[Heyjoe4]

Caleb does pretty darn well for a guy that runs around all over the place. Reminds me of Fran Tarkenton in his first decade. Just hope he never settles in like Frannie and calmly beats you with ***** and dunks.

Yeah I can't remember a pass Williams threw from the pocket. He reminds me of Kyler Murray, although I think Williams is faster.

Best analogy is that these QBs are like two-year-olds who have grabbed the TV controller and are being chased by their parents. The kid is hard to catch.

And the Tarkenton comparison is good. I can still see him running all around in the backfield with Packers chasing him. It seemed to go on forever.

 

[Magooch]

Just to stir the pot a bit more here's this point of comparison, all in good fun

Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love - first 45 career starts

Rodgers	Love
11,761 yards	10,576 yards
959/1487 (64.5%)	899/1390 (64.7%)
81 TD	79 TD
30 INT	26 INT
2.7 : 1 TD:INT ratio	3.04 : 1 TD:INT ratio
98.5 passer rating	98.8 passer rating
25-20 W-L	27-17-1 W-L-T

 

[Thirteen Below]

I think he's thrown 19 TDs to 3 pics, very Rodgers-like. He's eliminated those rare but stupid throws, trying to make something out of nothing. That's in the past. I hope he has an MVP in his future.

Peter Bukowski shouted an interesting argument on his podcast the other day. He spent some time breaking down Love's numbers compared to other QBs, and said that if Green Bay wins out, Jordan Love is the MVP - and, in order to win out, Jordan Love has to play like the MVP the rest of the way.

I thought it was an interesting way of looking at it.

 

[Magooch]

Love is such an interesting player to me to watch (and listen to the discourse on) because it's like... I think people have this impression that he's out there just giving the ball away like a charity every week. In reality, he is extremely protective of the ball...it's just that when he DOES give it away, it often seems like it's either in a very critical moment OR it's just a seemingly total bozo-moment braindead decision that defies all explanation. Those picks kind of (IMO) make it "feel" like a worse one or like he's giving it away more often. Of course the defense doesn't care the manner in which they get a pick and they don't get double points for it being an extra bad decision or whatever. Take away those one or two bozo moments here and there and he is as good as anyone in the game.

I also see this common criticism that he is "getting away with" a lot of throws. Like he's got these tall, arching throws off the back foot that seem to hang for a while and just invite the defense to get under them. I think people see these throws and think "He *should* have way more picks than he does, he's getting lucky, it won't last". And I kind of get that...but as above - look at the picks he DOES throw. Usually it's not the back-foot floater that gets picked. The idea that "he's getting away with it" kind of makes sense on first watch, but the more I watch him play the more I'm coming to think that....in spite of it being a bit unorthodox I think Love actually has a very VERY good feel/touch for these sort of passes and while it looks dangerous it's often times not actually in harm's way at all. He's really great about putting these passes where only his guy can get to it, even if it feels like it takes 10 seconds to drop into the basket...

 

[AmishMafia]

Thanks Pkr. I had no idea this was a "thing". And there are no coincidences......

I think Jordan Love is behind this becoming a thing. I think it is some kind of long game to get a lucrative endorsement deal. The guy is a few steps ahead of Madison Ave as well as the Bears.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Peter Bukowski shouted an interesting argument on his podcast the other day. He spent some time breaking down Love's numbers compared to other QBs, and said that if Green Bay wins out, Jordan Love is the MVP - and, in order to win out, Jordan Love has to play like the MVP the rest of the way.

I thought it was an interesting way of looking at it.

That makes sense. Right now Stafford seems to be in the driver's seat. So in addition to Love playing at an MVP-level over the rest of the season, Stafford will have to falter a bit. Darnold, believe it or not, is also in the race.

I haven't seen Love's name mentioned as an MVP candidate, but I'm sure he's somewhere around 5th on the list now.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think Jordan Love is behind this becoming a thing. I think it is some kind of long game to get a lucrative endorsement deal. The guy is a few steps ahead of Madison Ave as well as the Bears.

There's a lot of money in endorsements. A whole lot.

 

[Magooch]

As of yesterday, Matt Stafford was the heavy favorite (-180), passing up Drake Maye, who was on bye... (Maye had been the favorite at -135, since dropped to +200).

Love is sitting in 3rd, albeit a good way behind those two at +1000 right now. Still, that's a pretty "comfortable" third, with the next closest being Josh Allen at +1500; after that it's Dak at +7500, Jonathan Taylor and JSN at +15000, and Myles Garrett at +30000.

Love was just at something like +2000 a week or so ago though too, so he's surging up pretty quick. If he plays well against a good Denver team I would expect that gap to narrow considerably. But yeah, he'd still need some help from Stafford and/or Maye (and probably Allen. All things being equal even if Love is presently playing better I get the sense that voters would be more likely to lean towards Allen)

 

[Heyjoe4]

Love is such an interesting player to me to watch (and listen to the discourse on) because it's like... I think people have this impression that he's out there just giving the ball away like a charity every week. In reality, he is extremely protective of the ball...it's just that when he DOES give it away, it often seems like it's either in a very critical moment OR it's just a seemingly total bozo-moment braindead decision that defies all explanation. Those picks kind of (IMO) make it "feel" like a worse one or like he's giving it away more often. Of course the defense doesn't care the manner in which they get a pick and they don't get double points for it being an extra bad decision or whatever. Take away those one or two bozo moments here and there and he is as good as anyone in the game.

I also see this common criticism that he is "getting away with" a lot of throws. Like he's got these tall, arching throws off the back foot that seem to hang for a while and just invite the defense to get under them. I think people see these throws and think "He *should* have way more picks than he does, he's getting lucky, it won't last". And I kind of get that...but as above - look at the picks he DOES throw. Usually it's not the back-foot floater that gets picked. The idea that "he's getting away with it" kind of makes sense on first watch, but the more I watch him play the more I'm coming to think that....in spite of it being a bit unorthodox I think Love actually has a very VERY good feel/touch for these sort of passes and while it looks dangerous it's often times not actually in harm's way at all. He's really great about putting these passes where only his guy can get to it, even if it feels like it takes 10 seconds to drop into the basket...

Yeah I think he has 22 or more TDs to 4 pics. That doesn't happen by chance.

But some of the INTs truly are puzzling, like throwing into double coverage, which becomes triple coverage when the ball hangs. When I think of all the things he has to "see", these are bound to happen.

But even if he had done that on all 4 INTs, it's still a remarkable TD/INT ration, slightly besting Rodgers at the same point in their careers.

Finally, Love is not demonstrative like Rodgers or Favre. He just plays, and very well.

 

[Heyjoe4]

As of yesterday, Matt Stafford was the heavy favorite (-180), passing up Drake Maye, who was on bye... (Maye had been the favorite at -135, since dropped to +200).

Love is sitting in 3rd, albeit a good way behind those two at +1000 right now. Still, that's a pretty "comfortable" third, with the next closest being Josh Allen at +1500; after that it's Dak at +7500, Jonathan Taylor and JSN at +15000, and Myles Garrett at +30000.

Love was just at something like +2000 a week or so ago though too, so he's surging up pretty quick. If he plays well against a good Denver team I would expect that gap to narrow considerably. But yeah, he'd still need some help from Stafford and/or Maye (and probably Allen. All things being equal even if Love is presently playing better I get the sense that voters would be more likely to lean towards Allen)

Thanks for the stats M. The Bills' record is working against Allen. If they miss the playoffs (a real possibility), he's not gonna get MVP. The guy is still a phenomenal talent.

 

[El Guapo]

There's no reason for anyone to doubt Love at this point, unless they have a grudge. He is a top 10 QB in the NFL and appears to possess the ability to improve even more.

 

[milani]

Yeah I can't remember a pass Williams threw from the pocket. He reminds me of Kyler Murray, although I think Williams is faster.

Best analogy is that these QBs are like two-year-olds who have grabbed the TV controller and are being chased by their parents. The kid is hard to catch.

And the Tarkenton comparison is good. I can still see him running all around in the backfield with Packers chasing him. It seemed to go on forever.

Now the speed of Tarkenton was relative to the D of that day just as the speedster QBs are relative to today's defenders. You had no Parsons back then. But you also had no Jacksons, Hurts, Vicks, or Allens to chase either. In those days the conventional 4-3 pass rush worked on standard pocket passers. Tarkenton threw a wrench in all that.

 

[Thirteen Below]

That makes sense. Right now Stafford seems to be in the driver's seat. So in addition to Love playing at an MVP-level over the rest of the season, Stafford will have to falter a bit. Darnold, believe it or not, is also in the race.

I haven't seen Love's name mentioned as an MVP candidate, but I'm sure he's somewhere around 5th on the list now.

He had some logical reasons, not all of which I recall at the moment. I agree that right now, Stafford is the strong favorite, and Bukowski acknowledges that he might have to have one more poor game to help Love. But his reasoning is that:

1) Love is statistically the best quarterback in the league by far in terms of advanced stats - 1st in EPA per play, 2nd in total EPA, 1st in passing EPA, 1st in EPA from a clean pocket, 2nd in clean pocket efficiency success rate, 2nd in success in play action - and in late down conversions (3rd and 4th), 1st in success rate, 1st in EPA per play, 1st in adjusted EPA, and EPA per play plus completion percentage.

I don't really understand half of those terms, and some of them I never even heard of. But Bukowski appears to (or claims to), and he says that these stats (especially the EPA stats) are something that the voters weight very heavily. According to him, it's very unusual that the MVP is not the EPA leader.

2) Stafford crapped the bed a couple of weeks ago against Carolina, with 2 INTs, a fumble, and a pick six in a loss to a poor team. Carolina beat us, too, but it wasn't because of Love. And in the last 6 weeks, Love has played exceptionally well in 4 games (with a couple of them arguably 2 of them the best half dozen of his career), and if we win out he'll have to have at least a couple more lights-out games - Denver and Chicago V2. So he'll have finished very strong the second half of the season.

3) Darnold and Stafford both play in the same division, and only one of them can win it. Drake Maye has good numbers against a weak schedule and a short track record, Josh Allen is having a sub-par year and probably won't win his division, and Dak Prescott is putting up great numbers but his team isn't even going to win 10 games.

4) Stafford benefits from a much better rushing attack than Green Bay has; Love has to pretty much carry the entire Packer offense. He truly would be the most valuable player on his team.

I'm not sold on his overall argument, but there are some persuasive points there. We have to play out the last 4 weeks to see how well they stand up, and how some of the others do, but if we do win out, it will be because Love played dynamite football in some very high-pressure games down the stretch. Bukowski may be right when he suggests that this would move him to the top of the list.

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[milani]

He had some logical reasons, not all of which I recall at the moment. I agree that right now, Stafford is the strong favorite, and Bukowski acknowledges that he might have to have one more poor game to help Love. But his reasoning is that:

1) Love is statistically the best quarterback in the league by far in terms of advanced stats - 1st in EPA per play, 2nd in total EPA, 1st in passing EPA, 1st in EPA from a clean pocket, 2nd in clean pocket efficiency success rate, 2nd in success in play action, and in late down conversions, 1st in success rate, 1st in EPA per play, 1st in adjusted EPA, and EPA per play plus completion percentage.

I don't really understand half of those terms, and some of them I never even heard of. But Bukowski appears to (or claims to), and he says that these stats (especially the EPA stats) are something that the voters weight very heavily. According to him, it's very unusual that the MVP is not the EPA leader.

2) Stafford crapped the bed a couple of weeks ago against Carolina, with 2 INTs, a fumble, and a pick six in a loss to a poor team. Carolina beat us, too, but it wasn't because of Love. And in the last 6 weeks, Love has played exceptionally well in 4 games (with a couple of them among the best of his career), and if we win out he'll have to have at least a couple more lights-out games - Denver and Chicago V2. So he'll have finished very strong the second half of the season.

3) Darnold and Stafford both play in the same division, and only one of them can win it. Drake Maye has good numbers against a weak schedule and a short track record, Josh Allen is having a sub-par year and probably won't win his division, and Dak Prescott is putting up great numbers but his team isn't even going to win 10 games.

4) Stafford benefits from a much better rushing attack than Green Bay has; Love has to pretty much carry the entire Packer offense. He truly would be the most valuable player on his team.

I'm not sold on his overall argument, but there are some persuasive points there. We have to play out the last 4 weeks to see how well they stand up, and how some of the others do, but if we do win out, it will be because Love played dynamite football in some very high-pressure games down the stretch. Bukowski may be right when he suggests that this would move him to the top of the list.

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I still have to go with Allen in Buffalo. Not having a great year but he has done somethings out there this season that are superman like. Almost impossible.

 

[Thirteen Below]

I still have to go with Allen in Buffalo. Not having a great year but he has done somethings out there this season that are superman like. Almost impossible.

He may well deserve it, but the Buffaloes are not going to win their division, and the last MVP who failed to win his division was Peyton Manning in 2008. Since then, every MVP has been a quarterback who won his division The thinking is, if you didn't even win your division, how valuable were you really?

 

[milani]

He may well deserve it, but the Buffaloes are not going to win their division, and the last MVP who failed to win his division was Peyton Manning in 2008. Since then, every MVP has been a quarterback who won his division The thinking is, if you didn't even win your division, how valuable were you really?

That is so right. Ever stop to think that Paul Hornung won a Heisman Trophy playing on a team that won like 1 game?

 

[Magooch]

Pro Bowl rosters were released and Jordan Love has been left out for favor of SAM DARNOLD.
Total robbery IMO. Basically saying that wins are primarily a QB stat and that's that

EPA per play:
Love 0.284 (2nd)
Darnold 0.182 (9th)

Adjusted EPA per play:
Love 0.289 (2nd)
Darnold 0.213 (7th)

CPOE:
Love +5.5 (3rd)
Darnold +5.4 (4th)

EPA+CPOE composite:
Love 0.183 (3rd)
Darnold 0.154 (6th)

TD:
Darnold 24 (8th)
Love 23 (12th)

Passing Yards:
Darnold 3703 (5th)
Love 3381 (12th)

Passing ANY/A:
Darnold 7.97 (4th)
Love 6.98 (5th)

Interceptions:
Love 6 (24th most)
Darnold 13 (3rd most)

Passer Rating:
Love 101.2 (7th)
Darnold 100.6 (8th)

QBR:
Love 72.9 (4th)
Darnold 60.8 (13th)

WR Drops:
Love 17 (13th)
Darnold 12 (23rd)

 

[milani]

Pro Bowl rosters were released and Jordan Love has been left out for favor of SAM DARNOLD.
Total robbery IMO. Basically saying that wins are primarily a QB stat and that's that

EPA per play:
Love 0.284 (2nd)
Darnold 0.182 (9th)

Adjusted EPA per play:
Love 0.289 (2nd)
Darnold 0.213 (7th)

CPOE:
Love +5.5 (3rd)
Darnold +5.4 (4th)

EPA+CPOE composite:
Love 0.183 (3rd)
Darnold 0.154 (6th)

TD:
Darnold 24 (8th)
Love 23 (12th)

Passing Yards:
Darnold 3703 (5th)
Love 3381 (12th)

Passing ANY/A:
Darnold 7.97 (4th)
Love 6.98 (5th)

Interceptions:
Love 6 (24th most)
Darnold 13 (3rd most)

Passer Rating:
Love 101.2 (7th)
Darnold 100.6 (8th)

QBR:
Love 72.9 (4th)
Darnold 60.8 (13th)

WR Drops:
Love 17 (13th)
Darnold 12 (23rd)

Well, then. Beat the Seahawks in the playoffs and prove it.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Well, then. Beat the Seahawks in the playoffs and prove it.

Agreed. I don't pay much attention to Pro Bowl selections anyway. They are glorified popularity contests. All Pro carries way more weight.

And yeah, if Love is that much better than Darnold, the Packers should beat the hags in the playoffs. Well, first they have to go through Chicago (and they will).

 

[Heyjoe4]

I still have to go with Allen in Buffalo. Not having a great year but he has done somethings out there this season that are superman like. Almost impossible.

Well he won it last year. I'd say Drake Maye has a much better chance at the MVP award.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I still have to go with Allen in Buffalo. Not having a great year but he has done somethings out there this season that are superman like. Almost impossible.

Allen's probably not gonna be named MVP. Drake Maye and the Pats have played better IMO.

Now I would much prefer to have Allen as QB than Maye. But what I think won't be enough to get Allen another MVP.

Stafford will get MVP, and will have earned it. And yeah, this will happen even though the Rams may not win the NFC West. Stafford has been lights-out good this year, and at age 37.

 

[Heyjoe4]

He had some logical reasons, not all of which I recall at the moment. I agree that right now, Stafford is the strong favorite, and Bukowski acknowledges that he might have to have one more poor game to help Love. But his reasoning is that:

1) Love is statistically the best quarterback in the league by far in terms of advanced stats - 1st in EPA per play, 2nd in total EPA, 1st in passing EPA, 1st in EPA from a clean pocket, 2nd in clean pocket efficiency success rate, 2nd in success in play action - and in late down conversions (3rd and 4th), 1st in success rate, 1st in EPA per play, 1st in adjusted EPA, and EPA per play plus completion percentage.

I don't really understand half of those terms, and some of them I never even heard of. But Bukowski appears to (or claims to), and he says that these stats (especially the EPA stats) are something that the voters weight very heavily. According to him, it's very unusual that the MVP is not the EPA leader.

2) Stafford crapped the bed a couple of weeks ago against Carolina, with 2 INTs, a fumble, and a pick six in a loss to a poor team. Carolina beat us, too, but it wasn't because of Love. And in the last 6 weeks, Love has played exceptionally well in 4 games (with a couple of them arguably 2 of them the best half dozen of his career), and if we win out he'll have to have at least a couple more lights-out games - Denver and Chicago V2. So he'll have finished very strong the second half of the season.

3) Darnold and Stafford both play in the same division, and only one of them can win it. Drake Maye has good numbers against a weak schedule and a short track record, Josh Allen is having a sub-par year and probably won't win his division, and Dak Prescott is putting up great numbers but his team isn't even going to win 10 games.

4) Stafford benefits from a much better rushing attack than Green Bay has; Love has to pretty much carry the entire Packer offense. He truly would be the most valuable player on his team.

I'm not sold on his overall argument, but there are some persuasive points there. We have to play out the last 4 weeks to see how well they stand up, and how some of the others do, but if we do win out, it will be because Love played dynamite football in some very high-pressure games down the stretch. Bukowski may be right when he suggests that this would move him to the top of the list.

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Thanks 13. I don't think Love has any chance of winning MVP this year, and not because of his stats (pro and con). He just isn't the kind of "presence" under center or from shotgun to scare an opposing defense, or to motivate those around him to play better.

All that said, and he's a very good QB, maybe top 5. He is just not a flashy guy, that's not his deal. He goes about his job quietly. After Favre and Rodgers, it's kinda nice to have some peace in GB.

 

[OldSchool101]

What myself (and many others) forget. Jordan Love is in just his 3rd season as a starter. He has improved each season and that’s really important. I even recall several posters saying in effect “if we get just a little improvement from Love we’ll be dangerous”. Meaning if we get a few big Pass plays erasing a few bonehead INT we will be hard to beat.

-Passer rating in 2023,24,25?
96%, 97%, 101%

Interceptions?
11, 11, 6

-QB ranking in 2023,2024,2025 are
63% 66% 73%

In 2025, Jordan has a combined 8
4Q Comebacks + Game winning drives and he didn’t finish last week and has 2 games to spare. His previous combined career high record was a total of 5 in 2024 across the exact same number of games.

Jordan’s season PFF grade in 2025 is 88.5 and ranks #5 this season.

While Love is NOT the MVP, he gives us a fighting chance at a deep playoff run. He does this without our Star TE or star DE. We are still formidable without the likes of our Bosa/Kittle like combo and without a clear WR1. Love has zero Elite weapons but makes it work with above average talent at a variety of positions. I like GB is out of the spotlight. It takes immense pressure off and let other fans pretend that we can’t win a game. We should be looking at a Division sweep and when is the last time we were talented enough to sweep the North? 2019

2025 Jordan Love led GB (even while fumbling and bumbling and literally tripping over themselves) is very similar to the 2019 Packers strength imo but maybe a sliver better and a tad more potential if guys start finishing drives properly instead of
1 of 9 in the redzone type performances (our last pair of games)

 

[Magooch]

A somewhat disappointing stat given the way things ended... Passer Rating and QBR for wild-card QBs this year (excl. Texans/Steelers of course)

QBR:
1. Josh Allen 87.2
2. Jordan Love 80.4
3. Bryce Young 74.4
4. Drake Maye 68.9
5. Brock Purdy 60.7
6. Matt Stafford 49.0
7. Jalen Hurts 40.7
8. Caleb Williams 36.9
9. Trevor Lawrence 30.2
10. Justin Herbert 25.0

Passer Rating:
1. Josh Allen 108.7
2. Jordan Love 103.8
3. Matt Stafford 93.8
4. Drake Maye 86.6
5. Trevor Lawrence 86.4
6. Brock Purdy 80.3
7. Jalen Hurts 79.2
8. Justin Herbert 74.5
9. Caleb Williams 71.6
10. Bryce Young 71.2

Love was not perfect by any means. There are still a lot of times where I feel he needs to do a better job of "taking what the defense gives him" rather than forcing things. We all know he is not the quickest guy, but I would like to see him be a bit more willing/eager to take off and run every now and then. We had some crucial drops, our OL collapsed, but overall I think he definitely did "enough" to get us the win. I don't know if it was on him or on LaFleur that we take a stupid delay coming right out of a timeout, that's inexcusable. But if we don't take that penalty, Reed doesn't drop it, we manage clock better, etc then we are probably here talking about how Love did enough to overcome Walker's second half no-show, McManus' bum leg, Hafley's sudden regression to 100-points-conceded-per-game defense, etc.

I think the bottom line is this: If I told you that we would go into a playoff game as the 7 seed, playing the 2 seed, and that Jordan Love would have 300+ passing yards, 4 TD, 0 INT, and a 100+ passer rating and 80+ QBR and go on to LOSE, you would say I am bonkers. And nobody would hear that and say "it's probably Love's fault we lost"