Jonathan Gannon new Packer DC

[Pokerbrat2000]

Surprise? Nope. Once again Packers go CHEAP on a coodinator!

What are they paying Gannon? I didn't hear the number, I assume that you must have? Who did they pass on that you felt was a better option? How much did those DC's want?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Surprise? Nope. Once again Packers go CHEAP on a coodinator!

Just for reference, spending more money doesn't guarantee you a better coach.

I present Exhibit A:

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[rmontro]

What are they paying Gannon? I didn't hear the number, I assume that you must have? Who did they pass on that you felt was a better option? How much did those DC's want?

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[tynimiller]

Surprise? Nope. Once again Packers go CHEAP on a coodinator!

"Fill the seats..... theyll continue to come."

Lafluer....now Gannon. Nice. Things are looking good. Hahahahaha

Please cite knowledge of contract and compared to other candidates???

We made Rich one of the highest paid ST Coordinators.....

Can we make a promise in 2026 to stop posting such frivolous claims without substantiation?

 

[Sanguine camper]

You said, "My default position given MLF's record in hiring coordinators is poor until proven otherwise." You can't have it both ways. That literally means that you think anyone he hires is poor. But not if he hired YOUR guy, right?

I think its fair to be skeptical of MLF's coordinator selections. Would that've extended to Jimmy Leonhard as you ask?

At issue is the benefit of the doubt and a seeming contradiction in my position. Should we be skeptical of MFL no matter who he hires or lift that skepticism for Leonhard?

You have to weigh the track records of both MLF and the incoming coordinator. I think Jimmy Leonhard's track record is outstanding enough that it would overcome my MLF skepticism. I would conclude in hiring Leonhard that MLF has probably made some changes in his evaluation process to the benefit of himself and the team.

Perhaps I'm giving Leonhard too much credit but I'm a huge Badger fan and watched how he coached excellent defenses with moderate talent. I admit, that makes me a Jimmy Leonhard Homer.

 

[OldSchool101]

How much the unsuccessful tenure as HC impacts Gannon's performance as a DC is certainly questionable. The point I was trying to make is that I don't see where his record as HC will help with the Packers two biggest problems.

The Packers desperately need a culture change. They have a history of choking. While Gannon might be OK as a coordinator, his record at Arizona just doesn't inspire confidence that much is going to change in Green Bay.

I gave you a like because while I might disagree on particulars, I agree that we need to improve.
I guess I’m not quite getting what you mean by “culture’. I watch a decent amount of player interviews, lockerroom post game and follow several beat reporters. They have a very good pulse on this team. Not everyone are LaFleur Robots either, which is bold imo. Yet none off them mention any toxic culture.

The bulk of those in the know are more concerned about things like clock management, usage of timeouts, lack of ability to have a killer instinct to throttle a team when they are down, lack of proper ability to adjust schematics to coincide with game flow etc etc. Not even 1 time have I heard the culture is toxic (similar to when Rodgers ran the show). I would say the players would rate this culture above 4.5/5.0. Many players have publicly come to the aid of Matt LaFleur while he’s under attack. They could just remain silent, but they speak up publicly. Even Aaron Rodgers went out of his way to dismantle anyone thinking Matt is a poor leader and he had nothing to gain by the Packers success without him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Packers have just announced that they have promoted Rich Bisaccia to the "King Of Nothing". Rich will be in charge of doing something, not doing a good job of doing whatever it is that he is supposed to be doing. He will still retain possession of those naked photos of someone within the organization that he must have, to stay employed by the Packers.

 

[shockerx]

The Packers have just announced that they have promoted Rich Bisaccia to the "King Of Nothing". Rich will be in charge of doing something, not doing a good job of doing whatever it is that he is supposed to be doing. He will still retain possession of those naked photos of someone within the organization that he must have, to stay employed by the Packers.

And his Queen is Butkus!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And his Queen is Butkus!

Yeah, I would be fine with Butkus being given his walking papers too.

Meanwhile, I love some of the quotes from Gannon. These weren't made about being the Packers new DC, but earlier in his career.

“We’re going to be very adaptable, we’re going to be violent, we’re going to be explosive, and we’re going to be smart."

In his interview for the Eagles defensive coordinator job, he famously said he "does not have a scheme. The game continually changes and adapts. I don’t believe in a scheme, I believe in putting the players we have in positions to be successful."

 

[DoURant]

How many of assistant coaches are we losing?

There goes another one to Hafley's staff. With the way the secondary overall played this past year, I'm fine with that.

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[Sanguine camper]

I gave you a like because while I might disagree on particulars, I agree that we need to improve.
I guess I’m not quite getting what you mean by “culture’. I watch a decent amount of player interviews, lockerroom post game and follow several beat reporters. They have a very good pulse on this team. Not everyone are LaFleur Robots either, which is bold imo. Yet none off them mention any toxic culture.

The bulk of those in the know are more concerned about things like clock management, usage of timeouts, lack of ability to have a killer instinct to throttle a team when they are down, lack of proper ability to adjust schematics to coincide with game flow etc etc. Not even 1 time have I heard the culture is toxic (similar to when Rodgers ran the show). I would say the players would rate this culture above 4.5/5.0. Many players have publicly come to the aid of Matt LaFleur while he’s under attack. They could just remain silent, but they speak up publicly. Even Aaron Rodgers went out of his way to dismantle anyone thinking Matt is a poor leader and he had nothing to gain by the Packers success without him.

By 'culture', I mean the team's track record of losing focus and intensity, especially in big games against quality opponents. When talent levels are similar, it puts a bigger premium on the mental toughness aspects of the game. From the coaches to the players, they make too many mental errors, leading to second half meltdowns.

 

[tynimiller]

There goes another one to Hafley's staff. With the way the secondary overall played this past year, I'm fine with that.

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Hang on the fact we were as good against the pass as we were with not a single actual CB1 and zero pass rush second half of the season I say massive accomplishment

 

[Sanguine camper]

Hang on the fact we were as good against the pass as we were with not a single actual CB1 and zero pass rush second half of the season I say massive accomplishment

Agree that was an accomplishment. Here are the QB's the Packers had to defend against the second half of the season:

Philly- Hurts 183 yards 1 TD 0 Int
NY - Jamis Winston 201 yards, O TD's 1 Int
Minn - JJ McCarthy 87 yards, O TD's 2 Int
DET - Goff - 256 yards, 2 TD's 0 Int
Chi - Williams - 186 yards, 2 TD's 1 Int
Den - Bo Nix - 302 yards, 4 TD's 0 Int
Chi - Williams- 250 yards, 2 TD's 0 Int
Baltimore- Huntley 107 yards 1TD, 0 Int
Minn - McCarthy + Bosmer 239 yards, 0 TD's 0 Int
Chi - Williams - 361 yards, 2TD's 2 Int

Unlike other Defensive coordinators the Packers have had, the performance against back up QB's was really good including the struggling JJ McCarthy.

Where the lack of pass rush and CB#1 really showed was vs starting caliber QB's. Nix, Goff and Williams in games 2 and 3 had big games.

 

[DoURant]

Hang on the fact we were as good against the pass as we were with not a single actual CB1 and zero pass rush second half of the season I say massive accomplishment

That's fair, considering. The CB room needs an upgrade this year, because we can't go another year with Nixon, Valentine and Hobbs as our top 3, they can be 3,4, and 5 if need be. I feel Valentine was much better in 2024, or at least more consistent. Was that him or the coaching that caused that?

 

[Sanguine camper]

If the Packers are going to turn it around, Gannon will need to help reverse the slide within the division. In MLF's first three years from 2019 to 2021, the Packers owned the division going 15-3.S

Snce 2022, the Packers are 12-13 within the division.

The Packers have gone 4-6 vs the Dan Canpbell led Lions, 3-5 vs the Kevin O'Connell led Vikings and 1-2 vs the Ben Johnson led Bears. A losing record vs all the current Head coaches in the division.

While the Packers have played sub 500 in the division over the past 4 seasons, the Vikings have gone won 58% of their division games and the Lions have won 63% of their division games since Dan Campbell took over in 2021.

Not surprisingly, given the downturn vs the division opponents, the Packers haven't won the division crown since 2021. If the Packets are going to contend, it needs to start within the division.

 

[tynimiller]

If the Packers are going to turn it around, Gannon will need to help reverse the slide within the division. In MLF's first three years from 2019 to 2021, the Packers owned the division going 15-3.S

Snce 2022, the Packers are 12-13 within the division.

The Packers have gone 4-6 vs the Dan Canpbell led Lions, 3-5 vs the Kevin O'Connell led Vikings and 1-2 vs the Ben Johnson led Bears. A losing record vs all the current Head coaches in the division.

While the Packers have played sub 500 in the division over the past 4 seasons, the Vikings have gone won 58% of their division games and the Lions have won 63% of their division games since Dan Campbell took over in 2021.

Not surprisingly, given the downturn vs the division opponents, the Packers haven't won the division crown since 2021. If the Packets are going to contend, it needs to start within the division.

I personally don’t care at all how we do in the division, we can run the table elsewhere and lose all but one or two in the division for all I care if we are a better team and hit playoffs better.

The teams inside the division when he came was much weaker and not nearly as good as well.

 

[gopkrs]

The division is much tougher these days. We don't have to win it but it's definitely a goal

 

[Voyageur]

I'm not certain Leonhard was actually interested in the job to be honest. I believe he has his sights set on becoming the Badgers head coach when Fickell gets canned. It's possible the Packers realized that through casual conversations and had him and Gannon on an equal footing. They wouldn't have wanted to lose both, so they pulled the switch and grabbed Gannon.

I think people are overreacting to be honest. Some say Gannon is a great hire, others say it's a catastrophe. I don't think there's a strong case that can be made for either school of thought at this point. We're not going to really get a handle on how he moves forward with our defense until it plays out on the field. But there is one thing I'm pretty certain of. If Gannon fails for two years, and I think he's going to pretty much guaranteed two years of service, he will be fired, but quite possibly LeFleur could go with him.

 

[tynimiller]

I'm not certain Leonhard was actually interested in the job to be honest. I believe he has his sights set on becoming the Badgers head coach when Fickell gets canned. It's possible the Packers realized that through casual conversations and had him and Gannon on an equal footing. They wouldn't have wanted to lose both, so they pulled the switch and grabbed Gannon.

I think people are overreacting to be honest. Some say Gannon is a great hire, others say it's a catastrophe. I don't think there's a strong case that can be made for either school of thought at this point. We're not going to really get a handle on how he moves forward with our defense until it plays out on the field. But there is one thing I'm pretty certain of. If Gannon fails for two years, and I think he's going to pretty much guaranteed two years of service, he will be fired, but quite possibly LeFleur could go with him.

Take your logic and nuanced approach to it elsewhere lol

Love it and it is true!

 

[BrokenArrow]

You have to weigh the track records of both MLF and the incoming coordinator. I think Jimmy Leonhard's track record is outstanding enough that it would overcome my MLF skepticism.

Gannon has a Super Bowl ring as a DC. How many does Leonhard have? And his time as the Cardinals HC is irrelevant. It's a completely different job.

Let's say a guy was the engine specialist for Jimmy Johnson. Then he goes on to become chief mechanic (mostly a supervisory role) for Danica Patrick and 3 years later, he get fired. Are you going to second guess hiring him on as your engine specialist just because he was CM on a crappy team?

 

[AmishMafia]

I'm not certain Leonhard was actually interested in the job to be honest. I believe he has his sights set on becoming the Badgers head coach when Fickell gets canned. It's possible the Packers realized that through casual conversations and had him and Gannon on an equal footing. They wouldn't have wanted to lose both, so they pulled the switch and grabbed Gannon.

I think people are overreacting to be honest. Some say Gannon is a great hire, others say it's a catastrophe. I don't think there's a strong case that can be made for either school of thought at this point. We're not going to really get a handle on how he moves forward with our defense until it plays out on the field. But there is one thing I'm pretty certain of. If Gannon fails for two years, and I think he's going to pretty much guaranteed two years of service, he will be fired, but quite possibly LeFleur could go with him.

I dont think Leonard will ever be the Badger coach. My understanding is there were concerns about his ability to recruit is why he was passed over. Which surprised me as he seems charismatic.

I think Gannon was very high on their list.

There goes another one to Hafley's staff. With the way the secondary overall played this past year, I'm fine with that.

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Well, he was responsible for our CBs so Im not heartbroken about this. But then again, he was also responsible for our safeties.

The way I remember it, Valentine and Nixon looked really good early in the season. Nixon led the league in PBUs and both were top 20 ish in PFF ranking. Not sure why it dropped off, but we really need to add some talent to the position group.

 

[AKCheese]

Hang on the fact we were as good against the pass as we were with not a single actual CB1 and zero pass rush second half of the season I say massive accomplishment

There you go getting all factual and analytical… is that allowed here?

 

[AmishMafia]

There you go getting all factual and analytical… is that allowed here?

As long posters dont allow the facts don't sway them from a contrary view.

 

[AmishMafia]

Marques Eversol said he believes Gannon will bring his DC from AZ, Nick Rallis, to be the LB coach. I would imagine he will be bring a few guys who know what he expects.

 

[milani]

And his Queen is Butkus!

So it will be interesting what is in the plans for 2026? ...??? Nothing?