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Jared Abbrederis

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Vrill, Apr 15, 2015.

  1. Vrill

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    Assuming he stays healthy, what can we HONESTLY expect out of him this coming season? Will he get any WR time with our starters? Will he be a return man? Or will he just be a backup and ride the pine all year?

    I don't watch Badgers Football. But I've seen highlights and have to admit, he looks impressive.

    Give me some realistic thoughts on Jared assuming he stays healthy this time around.
     
  2. Curly Calhoun

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    This will essentially be his rookie season, since he was out all of last year. There's a learning curve with Mike McCarthy's offense, and he also has to earn the trust of #12. That won't happen overnight.

    Last season the Packers had two rookie receivers on the roster. Davante Adams contributed more and more as the season progressed. Jeff Janis contributed practically nothing. If Abbrederis is healthy, my guess is that his trajectory will fall somewhere in-between that of last year's crop. Just a guess based on perceived talent level.
     
  3. armand34

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    Physically he really isn't that impressive. I only see him shining if he has complete grasp of his position and the playbook. He is coming off of a knee injury I believe, so my expectations would also be between what Janis & Richard Rodgers did.
     
  4. captainWIMM

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    Abbrederis has for sure the talent to play in the NFL. During his last season with the Badgers in 2013 he had a 207 receiving yards game vs. Ohio State while mostly being covered by Bradley Roby who was a first round pick by the Broncos in 2014 and played more than 800 snaps as a rookie.

    In addition he had some spectular catches during the offseason and at the start of camp before he got injured.

    The main concern with him is if he's able to stay healthy. With Nelson, Cobb and Adams as the Packers top receivers he will have a hard time getting a ton of snaps though.
     
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  5. TJV

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    I think Abbrederis' main contribution if he stays healthy this season will be as the PR. I also expect him to be up to speed with the offense very quickly but as captainWIMM posted, snaps on O will be at a premium because in addition to competing with the top three for them, Janis should be in the mix too.
     
  6. captainWIMM

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    Hyde did a good job returning punts in 2014 and with McCarthy wanting to use more starters on special teams I don't see Abbrederis taking over that job.
     
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    Hyde's punt return stat line over the last 2 seasons is as follows:

    13.6 yds. per return, 3 TDs, 2 fumbles (both in 2013) with no lost fumbles. His 38 returns against 17 fair catches indicates he's fairly aggressive and not just cherry picking. He's been arguably the best punt returner in the league over the last 2 seasons combined.

    He was 5th. in the league in return average in 2013 at 12.3.

    He was better in 2014 and the stat line is a little crazy even if he did not have enough returns to qualify as the league leader:

    14 returns with 3 FC while splitting time with Cobb. He averaged 15.8 with 2 TDs and no fumbles.

    Why Hyde is not out there on every punt is a bit of a mystery. Well, not quite...he doesn't fit the template; he doesn't have the long speed that the "formula" dictates. Having the knack for it reflected in his high productivity trumps any template. And when you consider the guys blocking for him were the same guys blocking on the dismal 30th. ranked KO return squad (20.3), Hyde's performance is all the more impressive.
     
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    As for KO returns, McCarthy said he'd considered using Janis, who was active for a few games even without installing that plan. He was pretty impressive trying it in the preseason, while Harris was a non-entity. Maybe Slocum talked him out of it. You don't need much in the way of hands to field a kickoff, and certainly poor catch radius doesn't factor into it.

    Janis should be the default KO returner at this juncture, assuming he can nail down the #4 or #5 WR job and get on the game day roster.
     
  9. captainWIMM

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    Janis is for sure an option to be the kick returner next season. I don't expect the Packers to activate him just as a KR though so he will have to be able to get on the field as a receiver as well.
     
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    Hyde will likely see more snaps from scrimmage, in spite of McCarthy's saying more starters will play STs, I won't be surprised to see Abby back on punts - but he'd have to earn a spot on the active roster first.
     
  11. captainWIMM

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    I expect Hyde to continue to be the nickel corner so I don't see him getting more snaps on defense. I would be surprised if someone else than him would be the primary punt returner.
     
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    Very key point here that is no guarantee. With the WR position as deep as it is, and Hyde or whomever on returns he is by no means a shoe in to make the team. Now, I think he has a decent shot @ the #5 WR spot but let's see what materializes in the offseason (draft & UDFA's) before we even begin to break down what he may add.
     
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    If Abbrederis is able to stay healthy he's the front runner to earn the #4 WR spot, assuming the Packers don't draft any during the early rounds in this year's draft.
     
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    Really? I just don't know. I hope I'm wrong because it's good for the Packers if I am and eventhough I'm not a Badger fan I do like the idea of this walk-on UW player making it on my favorite team's roster. Especially at that position.
     
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    http://www.rotowire.com/football/player.htm?id=8892

    Right. According to rotowire.com, Hyde took 704 defensive snaps last season. There were very few (if any?) nickel and dime snaps he did not take. Unless he happens to win the open cover corner spot, which is unlikely, I don't see how he could increase his defensive snaps.

    He also took 192 special teams snaps. Throwing in some reasonable number of punts kicked OB or in the end zone where Hyde was the returner, less than 20% of his special teams duty was returning punts. If snap count was a concern, which it should not be, then taking him off of some kick coverage duty and letting him return punts would be the best use of the asset.

    And if injury was a concern, then Cobb would not have been back returning punts more often than Hyde.

    McCarthy wanting more starters on special teams...Hyde would certainly qualify as one of the "nickel starters" which in this defense are the starters, though I doubt that's a factor in choosing the punt returner. One would suppose McCarthy had the line play during those 7 kick blocks foremost in his mind when thinking about starters on ST.

    I consider it unconscionable that Hyde, ridiculously productive and simply a natural as a punt returner, would not be penned into the spot.
     
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    I still say that the best thing that can happen for us as a team is Janis/Abb together split the 4th receiver reps this year....get involved on ST and simply be an emergency type use for the Offense should Nelson/Cobb/Adams go down. The nice thing is both are not the same style of receiver and their use in the Offense allows that diversity. Long term if the top 3 stay healthy and present I see Abb/Janis being re-signed (or a draftee in the future) cheaper than they would if they spent time on some teams where they'd get a bigger chance. I'd love to have average or slightly above average ready to grow prospects as our 4th and 5th and call me crazy I truly feel both may be just that!
     
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    I would like to see Abbrederis succeed since the more successful players the Packers put on the field the better. I'm entirely indifferent as to whether that entails walking onto a UW practice field or doing backflips in the Hutson center.
     
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    When McCarthy said he wants to use starters on special teamers what I think he meant is that, for the most part, starters won't be excused from special teams duty just because they're starters. He wants the best man for the job doing the job, so we'll see more starters, for example, in punt/FG protection or blocking teams where the job is roughly the same as their regular role.

    Positions like punt/kickoff returns are more specialised so I don't think McCarthy's intention to use more starters matters as much. He still wants the best man for the job, but that's not as likely to be a starter.

    Long story short: just because MM says he wants more starters playing special teams doesn't mean we won't see guys like Abbrederis or Janis returning kicks.
     
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    As I recall we didn't use certain starting offensive linemen on special teams last year because of injury concerns. I'm not sure if that was a Slocum or McCarthy decision, but I don't like the idea of making an entire unit of your team that much worse because of a minimal amount of additional plays that they would be subject to a possible injury. It's no coincidence that we had a ridiculous amount of kicks and punts blocked last season.
     
  20. NelsonsLongCatch

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    I love him as the #4 option at receiver. I think he'll get a great chance to learn the playbook and make some plays throughout the year.
     
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    I would realistically expect both Janis and Abbrederis to play on special teams and them both battle in training camp for the #4 WR spot.

    I would not expect much. The vast majority of our passing offense will run through Nelson, Cobb, and Adams again. Only an injury to one of the top 3 will change that.
     
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    Of course he can. MM is on record stating that he is excited about what Janis can bring to the team next year.
     
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    Frontrunner? How so? They're not just going to give him the #4 spot because he is healthy. He'll have to earn it like anyone else. I'm pretty sure the Packers don't give two shits where he went to school, which seems to be a big source of the hype surrounding him on this forum, so they're NOT going to christen him just because it might make some fans happy.
     
  24. captainWIMM

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    The Packers kept Sitton and Lang off the FG and PAT protection unit after both suffered significant injuries in the Saints game. I was completely fine with that move.

    As of right now the Packers have six receivers on the roster with Abbrederis, Janis and White at the bottom of the depth chart. There's no doubt in my mind that Abbrederis is the most talented one out of this group, the question mark is his ability to stay healthy. Janis, White or others being added before the season will get a chance to battle for that spot though.

    I can recall you vividly proclaiming that Janis will have an impact as a rookie, how did that work out???
     
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    There were reports of him impressing during camp, for what that is worth... as well as making plays on Tramon.

    I would like to see him on the field for those 4 or 5 wide sets as he would have a significant advantage over who he was matched up with.

    In college he was literally the only passing option in the offense. Not to mention some of his QBs were forgettable
     
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