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Hypothetical Rodgers trade with the Raiders

Discussion in 'Green Bay Packers Fan Forum' started by sschind, Apr 10, 2021.

  1. sschind

    sschind Cheesehead

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    Saw this on NFL.com

    https://www.nfl.com/videos/schrager...de-scenario-for-raiders-to-land-aaron-rodgers


    The Raiders get Rodgers

    The Packers get Derek Carr, Henry Ruggs, Maxx Crosby, 2021 1st rounder, 2022 first rounder, 2022 second rounder.

    Basically the discussion centered around Carr and Love. A couple said that Carr was a non issue. That he was a throw in that doesn't really warrant consideration and I agree. The Packers are only going to trade Rodgers right now if they think Love is ready to take over which was another persons point. They are not going to move Rodgers in a deal that includes a stopgap QB. One guy said swap Waller for Carr and then maybe he would think about it but he ultimately said no.

    So what do you think? That's two first rounders and a second for draft capital for a guy who is coming off of an MVP season although he will be 38 and his prior three seasons were not nearly as spectacular. As for the players involved, like I said, Carr is a non issue to me and doesn't really bring much of value to the deal although if they did make the trade I would probably feel better about Carr being the starter in 2021 than Love. At least to start the year. If he plays well and Love doesn't develop he might be enough to continue past 2021 and if Love does develop Carr might net a draft pick in trade for 2022. Ruggs would be a nice fit alongside Adams and it would be like getting the first round WR in 2020 that everyone wanted AND Jordan Love. I don't know anything about Crosby other than what I see in his bio but has 17 sacks in 2 years and looks like he could develop into a star.

    I have no idea what the cap ramifications would be on this. I think we would save 5.5 million on Rodgers if I read OTC correctly. I don't know how Carr, Ruggs and Crosby would affect it.

    I would have to say I would be very tempted. Had Rodgers not just had one of the best years a QB could have, had he been even just average Aaron Rodgers I'd be even more tempted.

    The key player in all of his isn't even involved in the trade. If the Packers think Jordan Love is ready and after 2020 I don't see how they possibly could or if they think he will be ready in 2022. It would merit legitimate consideration. I'm not sure, short of another MVP season, that Rodgers would garner such an offer and if he does decline the offer could also decline significantly. There are those who would say NO, you simply don't trade the reigning league MVP. Then there are those who would say that's essentially 3 first rounders, and a second plus a young potentially up and coming star on the DL and a not bad QB. That's not bad for a 38 year old QB that had, in the three years prior to last season, looked as if he just might have peaked and started to taper off.
     
  2. captainWIMM

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    Aside of the fact that I'm definitely not in favor of the Packers trading Rodgers the one suggested above would result in an additional cap hit of $23 million for the 2021 season.

    No, thanks.
     
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    Leave Carr out of the deal (let LV trade him), get another #2 or#3, & the cap ramifications are neglible. Ruggs counts $3.8mil, Crosby is $1.05mil. I'd consider such a trade, knowing damn well that AR has a few good/great years left.
     
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    Rodgers wants to play like 7 more seasons...the only way this trade is even feasible is if darren waller is included instead of carr. At that point I hate to even say this but I'd have to at least think about it.

    If Love is indeed the real deal...you'd have a pretty ridiculous offense with davante adams aaron jones henry ruggs darren waller bob tonyan mvs allen Lazard aj dillon and whatever draft picks

    Still it's not happening, unless Rodgers forces it and I don't think we're at that point yet
     
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    This is tough. I love me some Rodgers but this might be to good to pass up. This same trade with a contender would be a no go but the Raiders are a hot mess. Horrible D and Mayock just destroyed their whole O-line. These hypothetical picks could be top 5-10. Enough to add some real weapons or possible future QB if Love isn’t what they thought he was. I agree with @Pkrjones if Carr isn’t involved I’d do it.
     
  6. sschind

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    That's what I wasn't sure of. I figured you would let us know. Thanks. Yeah, that's a big no from me as well given that information.

    It funny how people will throw trades out there like this without looking into that part of it.
     
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    They prob will either get a 3rd round pick or flat out release him. Knowing Green Bay... lmao
     
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    I'd pass now if they would give us something for Jordan Love I might be interested.
     
  9. captainWIMM

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    It's amazing how many Packers fans seem to be ready to move on from Rodgers, especially considering he's coming off the second most efficient season by a quarterback in NFL history.

    Take a look around the league and realize there have been a ton of teams unsuccessful in finding an elite QB for an eternity, yet you want the Packers to move on from a future HOFer to hand over the reigns to a completely unknown starter.

    Lastly, take those Raiders as a cautionary tale when it comes to a trade to good to pass up. They received a ton of compensation trading Mack to the Bears but haven't made the playoffs since despite hanging on to their franchise QB.

    I suggest you enjoy the ride with Rodgers as long as possible as the chances are pretty high we won't see QB play at that level once the Packers move on from him for a long time.

    The Raiders wouldn't be one of the worst teams in the league with Rodgers being their starting quarterback.

    Just to be clear, the Packers could restructure Carr's deal or designate the trade as a post June 1 one to reduce the cap hits in 2021 but in total it would add a significant amount of money counting against the cap.

    There's no reason to trade Love at this point either as the compensation the Packers would receive in return would definitely not be on par with the ressources spent to acquire him in the first place.
     
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    I did think about this right after I wrote it. I definitely think I downplayed Rodgers talent and will to win but think about it. Raiders have no line, no D, new system, no nelson Agholor, and they would give up Ruggs. D. Walker is a beast but now teams can double him the whole game. I really don’t see this team winning many games, especially the first year.

    Besides, you have to step outside the box and view it as a Packers fan. Rodgers is amazing but he’s reaching the back half of his career and the loss will be inevitable soon enough. It’s a business. Hard to see guys like Rodgers, Jordy, Clay, Cobb, and countless others go but it happens. There’s a fine line between holding onto the greats a year or two late and setting up your franchise for the next decade. All that being said.... it’s a very very very difficult thing to choose.
     
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    I'm trying to look at this from a Raiders perspective. Outside of getting a 38 year old QB for maybe 2-4 years, which WILL help sell tickets for sure, what is their upside to trading away all their premier draft capital over the next few seasons, as well as their top tier talent already on roster? I cant see why they would do this, but if they called and made either of those offers (the Waller or the Carr one), I would take it ASAP.

    If you believe Love is the guy, and you are already committed to the fact that AR will be done after this contract (hence the no reworking of it earlier this year), then why wouldn't you take a kings ransom from a team that is highly likely to potentially net you 2 top 5 picks, a high 2nd rounder, and 3 starters for relatively cheap contracts for the next 2-4 years?

    Heck, I think you could even theoretically flip Carr to another team for additional assets if you wanted.

    That being said, I cant see the Raiders being so desperate to offload Carr that they do something like this. They could go after Watson for cheaper than that at this point, or any number of other QBs while keeping their roster relatively intact.
     
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    If it's multiple first-rounders, a second (in this draft) and an elite pedigree WR and a defensive starter then I'd send Rodgers to the Raiders. I'd then feel very bad for him.

    If I'm Rodgers and really wanting a ring, I'd try to steer the trade towards Denver. I think they're a QB away from being Tampa.

    Obviously this is all hypothetical. If GB trades Rodgers, Gutey is fired and never works as a GM again.
     
  13. PackerfaninCarolina

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    No historical basis for that whatsoever
     
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    I don't believe a trade like this will occur in '21, but could see it happening next spring.

    I could just as easily see AR calling it a career in next 2 years or see him playing until he 's 43 or 44. If Gute & Lafleur think Love is ready in '22 then they'll sell high & quickly reload the team with young talent.
     
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    Most sportsbooks I took a quick look at have the over/under set at 7.5 wins for the Raiders next season. Rodgers would definitely add two wins in my opinion.

    With them either going 9-8 or 10-7 the Packers wouldn't receive a top 10 pick in next year's draft.

    It's very unlikely that the Packers will find another HOF quarterback anytime soon after Rodgers is gone. Therefore it would be smart to hold on to him as long as possible to have another shot at a Super Bowl.

    There's no guarantee the draft picks the team would receive in return would set them up for success over the next decade. Especially considering the trade suggested above would add $23 million in cap hit for the upcoming season.

    Once again, Rodgers would significantly improve the Raiders, resulting in the Packers not receiving top 10 picks in return.

    I truly can't believe how many of you are ready to move on from most likely the best quarterback you will see play for the Packers during your lifetime.
     
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    How difficult is it to restructure a contract? Looks like The Packers brass is going all in on Jordan Love being the starter in 2022. Unless the situation changes, AR can't help but conclude this is his last year. If Gute restructured AR's contract to smooth out AR's cap hit over the next several seasons, he would lose the ability to get a QB on a rookie contract and also admit he made a big mistake in wasting a 1rst round pick on a guy that couldn't help the team during his rookie contract. Hard to imagine that Rodgers wouldn't take nearly any team to the playoffs. Any trade would likely result in end-of-round picks. The Packers draft picks would likely be in the top five or ten with Love as the QB.
     
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    I don't see it. It simply is not decided at this point. So many things can happen.
     
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    No.

    Not even close.
     
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    Only restructure that makes sense at this point is adding years. Restructure to free up space this year just to kick the can down the road to 2022 doesn't help much since they are still facing a bad cap crunch.

    If Rodgers is not wanting to add years because of his bruised ego, then not much they can do. From a pure football on the field standpoint, trading Rodgers is stupid, but personally I'm tired of the 'I'm the smartest man in the room/chip on the shoulder over everything' schtick from Rodgers.
     
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    The Raiders would never do this trade. They wouldn't trade away so much of their future to become a 500 level team. The only way the Packers do this is if they think Love will MaHomes it up next season which is very unlikely.

    This is one of those lose-lose situations.
     
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    If Rodgers is forcing it, and other teams are aware of that, it probably drastically reduces what we can get for him.

    Also, any team we trade Rodgers too is probably going to win at least half its games (or near), so we're not likely to get too high a pick. Unless he gets injured, of course.
     
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    I can't do this and leave this team with Derek Carr and an unproven Jordan Love with no pre-season under his belt.
     
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    To be fair this was the thinking however many years ago when the transition from Favre to Rodgers was coming to a head...I'm not in favor of trading Rodgers this season or even next. But obviously if Love has developed into what the front office thinks he's going to, you can't rule out trading Rodgers prior to the 2023 season. As at that point it's 5 more years of Rodgers or 15 more years of Love. Really we gotta see this Love character play in the pre season, that'll be very telling
     
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    I'm pretty sure Favre would have stayed on if he had wanted to because the trade to the NYJs wasn't some grand master plan that our front office had at the time. Favre had kept floating retirement rumors out there and then finally pulled a fake one. Rodgers has never even remotely hinted at doing such a thing.

    As I don't expect JLove to be great, I could settle for him being somewhere around a Ryan Tannehill level or something like that. But we certainly have no way of knowing if he'll even be that good.

    Even if we did get those WRs along with the picks, the Bucs had their SB roster there prior to Brady arriving but did nothing until he got there. That tells me having the best QB on your team is always a trump card.
     
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    *smh and leaves thread*
     
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