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Green Bay Packers Socialists?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Zeck180, Feb 4, 2011.

  1. Zeck180

    Zeck180 Cheesehead

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    YouTube - TheYoungTurks's Channel

    (If you want) Turn it ahead to 2:10, he talks how the Pack are community owned, then says, "It's awesome, but one of the most socialist things in the whole country I can't think anything more socialist than the Green Bay Packers".

    What? I don't really know what to say about that? Anyone,

    It's funny to say it that way, but really say it that way?
     
  2. TheSnowPlow

    TheSnowPlow Driving Don Shula Crazy

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    I think the guy has zero understanding of Socialism, or apparently economics for that matter.

    If the Green Bay Packers were "socialist", people wouldn't own stock and have have voting rights.

    You know what is socialist? Star Treck - The Next Generation.
     
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  3. cheesehurdler

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    Yeah, I was thinking about that too. The Packers are community-owned, but isn't the idea of publicly owned companies... a communist thing? That's kind of ironic, seeing that I know of some Packers fans who are also conservatives and HATE communism.
     
  4. TheSnowPlow

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    There is a difference between "publicly-owned" and "communally-owned". :no2:
     
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  5. VersusTheMoose

    VersusTheMoose Canadian Packer Fan

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    People don't think before they speak. I know I don't.
     
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  6. Zeck180

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    I just find how he worded it funny, but really(seriously) really word it that way?
     
  7. GreenBlood

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    If the Packers were owned and operated by the State of Wisconsin or City of Green Bay, it would be socialism. This guy's a dumbass.
     
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  8. YoKramer

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    And Socialism isnt really "communally-owned" either. This guy has no idea what he is talking about.
     
  9. TheSnowPlow

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    Pretty much. It is ignorance, and what appears to be an attempt to just get clicks/views/****-stir...
     
  10. JJP41

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    And according to that one Bears fan in his video, the Lombardi Trophy should be renamed after old man Halas.

    Haters gonna hate........or just be flat out stupid.
     
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  11. Zeck180

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    Sounds like Glenn Beck
     
  12. GreenGoldAngel

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    As someone who leans toward libertarianism, calling the Packers socialist is about the dumbest thing I will ever read (except maybe Karl Marx). I would like to ask the imbecile where exactly does the redistribution of wealth fit in?
     
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  13. cheesehurdler

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    I've also heard from a liberal blog that the entire financial system of the NFL is socialist... which probably sounds even dumber.
     
  14. Zeck180

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    Is this nation going through a third Red Scare?
     
  15. PackersRS

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    Lol socialism is a form of goverment.

    The Packers are a publicly owned COMPANY, completely under the law.

    BTW, don't know what's with Americans and socialism. I'm not a suporter of socialism by any stretch, but I think cold war propaganda demonized socialists to an extent that even the mention of something being related to it gives the shivers to some people...
     
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  16. GreenGoldAngel

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    I really think we should get off this topic. We are headed toward a political debate which does not belong in this forum. PackersRS, although I spent my career as an accountant, love of country and love of the U.S. Constitution has led meto follow politics intensely since age 18 and what you just posted could lead me to a 20 page rebuttal of what you just said. "Demonize socialism"?....Damn right, it deserves to be demonized. End of my input on this thread. God Bless.
     
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  17. JBlood

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    Socialism is a few politicians owning everything. Capitalism is a few capitalists owning everything. There's not much real difference. Neither model fits the Packers, which is more of a distributist corporation. It is the model which would give the world the best chance of escaping the present economic disaster.
     
  18. BadKarma

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    Tip of the Cap, Sir. Total agreement.
    Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. - Winston Churchill
     
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  19. JJP41

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    I agree. I don't see anything positive happening when politics enter into it.........and we've had more than enough craptastic drivel to deal with the last few days.
     
  20. SpartaChris

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    Ummm. Well, it's no more socialist than owning stock of any company..
     
  21. SpartaChris

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    For the record, and not to delve too much into politics, but I tend to be more fiscally conservative, but socially liberal. So independent if you will. Just wanted to get that out there so you know where I am personally coming from.

    To address your point, the mandated revenue sharing IS in fact a socialist ideal. You're forcing the teams who make more money to give to teams who make less money, which is what socialism is at it's core- a balancing at flowing from the haves to the have not's.

    The NFL draft is also a socialist ideal. The worst teams get the top picks. Best teams get the lowest, keeping a balance.

    But things like free agency are not socialist. They are capitalist in that the player has a choice of teams, and each team has an opportunity to bid on his services.

    Either way, it should be acknowledged that the NFL is more or less a private company and is free to run it's business in whatever manner they see fit. Who cares what type of government style it resembles more?
     
  22. SpartaChris

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    Well yeah, it's because it's been proven that all out Socialism does not work. Even a hybrid system similar to what we have in the US seems to struggle with the socialist benefits, such as public education, we enjoy.

    The problem with socialism is, sooner or later, you run out of other people's money.

    But I digress. We shouldn't get into politics here. I've already gone too far overboard as it is.
     
  23. SpartaChris

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    Wow, I never heard that quote. That is a great quote!
     
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  24. PackersRS

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    Did I ever say I agreed with socialism?

    I think I said the contrary. Just not radical torwards it.

    That is all.
     
  25. PackersRS

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    Socialism is based on goodness of a few people or a single individual, with full power over a population.

    It will never succeed, and it will lead to dictatorship every single time, under the formats it has been presented so far.
     

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