Courtland Sutton

[brandon2348]

Dee Ford is not a free agent...

Chiefs have serious cap issues. Many insiders don't expect him back as he is a one dimensional player as a pass rush specialist. Just what we need.

At the minimum he would be someone that could be traded for. Yes, "A trade".

 

[Dantés]

Chiefs have serious cap issues. Many insiders don't expect him back as he is a one dimensional player as a pass rush specialist. Just what we need.

At the minimum he would be someone that could be traded for. Yes, "A trade".

Getting rid of Smith’s cap figure should help plenty.

 

[brandon2348]

Getting rid of Smith’s cap figure should help plenty.

There not out of the woods just yet. They were 12.2 mill over before trade. After trade there 8 mill under and after they set aside 6 mill for future rookies they have 2 mill to spare with many players to resign. Ford would free up 8 million for them to sign those players and they seem to like Zombo better then Ford for run defense reasons. Read between the lines. At the very least they would dump Ford for a draft pick and cap relief.

Expect Ford to be avaialable in some manner and should be targeted.

 

[GleefulGary]

Dee Ford is not a free agent...

Neither are Richard Sherman or Earl Thomas, but to this guy they're available for the taking.

 

[brandon2348]

Neither are Richard Sherman or Earl Thomas, but to this guy they're available for the taking.

Well we could continue to sit on our hands like we have the last several years and do nothing in Rodgers prime and be non-creative hoping some draft pick explodes onto the seen and just magically fixes everything.

Wait. I thought the Ted Thompson era was over?

 

[Dantés]

Well we could continue to sit on our hands like we have the last several years and do nothing in Rodgers prime and be non-creative hoping some draft pick explodes onto the seen and just magically fixes everything.

Wait. I thought the Ted Thompson era was over?

You know there’s a middle ground between that and positing that any guy you want is attainable regardless of their contract status, right?

 

[brandon2348]

You know there’s a middle ground between that and positing that any guy you want is attainable regardless of their contract status, right?

I'm not saying any guy is attainable. Richard Sherman was openly on the trade block last year and is now coming off Achilles surgery with little dead money on his contract and Seahawks have cap issues. Earl Thomas ran up to the Dallas Cowboys after there game and told them to come get him. He is also threatening holding out btw. It's a known fact in KC that Dee Ford's name has come up several times as a guy who might have to fall on the sword due to cap issues and conflicts.

There is a difference between having your ear to the street and making something happen rather then just having your head totally buried in the sand.

 

[GleefulGary]

You know there’s a middle ground between that and positing that any guy you want is attainable regardless of their contract status, right?

Simply impossible.

What is this "middle ground" you're speaking of? Sounds like that Lord of the Rings garbage where hobbits live. Let me tell you son, a hobbit cannot play football just because they run a fast 3-cone. Stick to reality, combine junkie.

 

[brandon2348]

You "Thompsonites" have been cursed with non-creative stale thinking that takes you right back to loading up the draft on defense over and over. I get it. It's all you know.

 

[GleefulGary]

You "Thompsonites" have been cursed with non-creative stale thinking that takes you right back to loading up the draft on defense over and over. I get it. It's all you know.

Crazy thought here.

Maybe, some of us just don't like Sutton.

I have no issue going with an offensive player at #14, I just have an issue if it's Sutton. Personally, I just want the best player that's there (unless it's a QB).

 

[brandon2348]

Crazy thought here.

Maybe, some of us just don't like Sutton.

I have no issue going with an offensive player at #14, I just have an issue if it's Sutton. Personally, I just want the best player that's there (unless it's a QB).

I understand not everyone is gonna like Sutton. Everyone see's things differently and values different assets. I see a guy that could potentially break a lot of records in "Green and Gold" with AR12. There are other players i'd be fine with too other then Sutton as I've posted. Sutton is just my first choice right now with the way I think the board shakes out.

After the free agency and trades and the combine things will take more shape.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think with a new DC we should lean Defense his first year and get him the resources to achieve a top 10 Defense within his first 2 seasons.
All things being equal I prefer us giving Pettine a high graded Defender who slips to us at #14. Especially if there is a run on Offensive positions in the top 13 like QB and OL is projected. That would give us the one of the top picks of several defensive position groups and we have to be laser focused.
Any other year I would more seriously consider leaning Offense and would love to have a guy like Sutton. Especially after selling out for Defense with multiple 1st and 2nd rounders in recent consecutive drafts under TT and eventually, Dom Capers.
There will be some very good prospects at both TE and WR day 2 and I would be a proponent of locking down both at that point, even at the expense of trading up for the right guy.

 

[Dantés]

What if... and this is a little out there, but what if they/we didn’t decide which side of the ball the picks need to be on before the draft is actually happening.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

Why not? Release Nelson and Bulaga. Extend Cobb and your at almost 35 mill in spendable cap space. Go out and get Demario Davis who could be a real leader on this D and put him next to Martinez. Then get a couple of corners. Could probably get both Kyle Fuller and Mo Claiborne. Bring in Dee Ford from the Chiefs and play ball.

Plus we still have 7 more later round draft picks to take on fliers.

Multiple reasons. First, we are not going to have that kind of money to sign a ton of studs on defense. Aaron has stated that he believes we need to go back to championship level defense which leads me to believe he's not overly concerned with our offense, nor am I. We can put up points. I think it's more likely we can sign an offensive playmaker than sign a bunch of playmakers on defense. There's not much out there right now and trades are just not that likely in the NFL. We've already discussed how Courtland Sutton and I don't believe his return will be good enough at #14. We have to go BPA and all signs point to that player being a defensive stud whether it be a corner or what.

I totally understand wanting to replenish our depth on offense, but we've been good at doing that in later rounds and we might be able to help with some free agents. Just my two cents.

 

[OldSchool101]

What if... and this is a little out there, but what if they/we didn’t decide which side of the ball the picks need to be on before the draft is actually happening.

Nothing wrong with all this speculation. It gives all of us reference points for ideas as the days pass by and debate is always healthy, as long as we don’t allow ourselves to fall prey to supporting subtle forms of patronizing each other. Plus players will move all over the board before we’re all eyes on Arlington
Now back to that Defense!

 

[Dantés]

Nothing wrong with all this speculation. It gives all of us reference points for ideas as the days pass by and debate is always healthy, as long as we don’t allow ourselves to fall prey to supporting subtle forms of patronizing each other. Plus players will move all over the board before we’re all eyes on Arlington
Now back to that Defense!

No, you’re right. I just find it funny when people (not you) have decided just exactly how it needs to be, before free agency, before the combine. They’re here to explain that they’ve figured out the one thing we need to do.

 

[AmishMafia]

I think there are a couple good FA options available at WR.

Donte Moncrief
Allen Robinson
Sam Watkins
Josh Gordon


Are all interesting plauers that could make a big impact.

Edit - never finished my thought.

I would rather address WR in FA and spend our draft capital, especially our high picks on other positions.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

I think there are a couple good FA options available at WR.

Donte Moncrief
Allen Robinson
Sam Watkins
Josh Gordon


Are all interesting plauers that could make a big impact.

Don't forget about Martavis Bryant. I think he would be an excellent add if we thought we could tame the diva attitude. Also, Jarvis Landry would be stud with Aaron.

Edit: I realize Bryant isn't a FA until 2019.

 

[brandon2348]

Landry or Josh Gordon would work.

 

[AmishMafia]

Landry or Josh Gordon would work.

Would pass on Landry, but I would give a shot to Gordon. Yes, he is a huge risk. I would give him a 3 year contract with a big bonus. The bonus would be held in escrow till he plays for the 3 years and doesn't get suspended. Not sure if that is allowed under the CBA. He looked surprisingly good in his first games back.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

Would pass on Landry, but I would give a shot to Gordon. Yes, he is a huge risk. I would give him a 3 year contract with a big bonus. The bonus would be held in escrow till he plays for the 3 years and doesn't get suspended. Not sure if that is allowed under the CBA. He looked surprisingly good in his first games back.

Why pass on Landry? The money? He's an elite slot receiver that would instantly add quickness to our receiver core.

 

[GleefulGary]

Josh Gordon is not a free agent.

 

[Dantés]

Josh Gordon is not a free agent.

That no longer matters, apparently.

My offseason plan involves going out and signing Von Miller, Jalen Ramsey, and Harrison Smith. No more being nice.

 

[AmishMafia]

Why pass on Landry? The money? He's an elite slot receiver that would instantly add quickness to our receiver core.

I like Cobb more than most here. Honestly I don' know much about him. I stopped watching all NFL games other than the Packers since protests against the USA became an NFL thing. My wife was born an Eagles fan so we watch those occassionally.

 

[Poppa San]

My wife was born an Eagles fan

How convenient. I had to teach my children to be Packers fans. Failed on the first one but the rest learned.

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