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can the pack continue

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by dhpackr, Sep 24, 2007.

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  1. tromadz

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    That'll happen.
     
  2. bozz_2006

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    Oh I remember when he said that he had no confidence in his running game! that was about the same time that he mentioned that he has no confidence in Brett Favre, because he threw to the wrong guy on the 4th and 1. That's really too bad that our head coach has no confidence in our QB. It's so sad that Favre doesn't know that it's time for him to retire.
     
  3. dhpackr

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    WTF what lie!!?? the coach said he was not comfortable calling a running play on 4th and inches, it is documented through a transcipt, and you call it a lie!!!

    and what does that show? confidence? calling a passing play on 4th and inches?? WAKE UP MAN!!
    and the thread is about the pack passing the ball 45 times a game, and can the Packers continue to do that all season, i don't see what the problem is there either.???
     
  4. bozz_2006

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    the problem is that you basically quoted mccarthy as saying he had no confidence in the running game. if you would've stated that it was your opinion, and that it was your way of interpreting what mccarthy said, there would be no problem. just be careful with what you say.
     
  5. tromadz

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    He doesn't understand the difference between:


    McCarthy doesn't have faith in the run game.

    AND

    I don't think McCarthy has faith in the run game.
     
  6. GakkofNorway

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    Q. Can the Packers continue to pass 40 times a game?

    A. Yes, because the Packers use slants instead of running plays, which is fairly typical in the West Coast Offense, the Packers will not become one dimensional even if all you see on the stats sheet is passing. In fact 40% of those passes will be slants and should be regarded as subsitutes for running plays.
     
  7. porky88

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    Nice chart right there.

    I think McCarthy's is looking like the closes thing to it as well. I remember Holmgrem's used to be but when you have Shaun Alexander, you might as well call it more of a 50-50 style. Right now the Packers are probably calling pass plays on 75% of the time which is around what you said it needs to be. If Favre can continue to play like he has then the Packers can win a Super Bowl with this offense. It's certainly possible. My main concern is the 49ers played in the sunny California weather and the Packers don't. In December and November it's going to get cold and windy and that could be what slows the Packers passing game down.
     
  8. Zombieslayer

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    DH - I can understand your frustration. however, look at it this way.

    Our running game failed in week 1. It was horrible. I won't deny that. We won because our Special Teams came through and our D held the mighty Eagles' O to only 13 points.

    Week 2 - The Giants had serious DB problems. So we gameplanned to play to their weakness. It worked. We blew them away 35-13.

    Week 3 - The Chargers' front 7 is awesome. Very few teams can run against them. So knowing that, MM decided that we'll have to abandon the run UNTIL we have a lead that we can sit on. Unfortunately, we never really established a comfortable lead, so we had to keep the ball in the air.

    Week 4 - Make fun of the Vikings all you want. They're solid against the run. SOLID. They held Warrick Dunn to 55 yards on 22 carries. That's fantastic run D. Then, they held LJ to only 42 yards on 24 carries. That's incredible run D. You think we should run at them? I don't. I say forget the run until we're leading by at least 2 TDs. I don't care if we don't run one time until we build that lead. After we build a comfortable lead, then we can run.

    As for Favre throwing 40-45 times a game, I have no problem with that when we're facing teams with run Ds like Chargers and Vikings. Don't worry, my friend. When we start playing teams with bad run Ds, we'll run 30+ times. I'm not MM, but I'm guessing he plays to their weaknesses, which is a good strategy.
     
  9. tromadz

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    Being 3-0 is very frustrating.
     
  10. longtimefan

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    Very well put Zombie
     
  11. vike4life

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    Our DB's are not suspect. They are horrible. It took Herm Edwards 3 quarters to figure that out. I don't think it will take the Packers that long.
    The Chiefs game was comical. They kept handing off to Larry Johnson and we were all over him. Then Herm (who may be the worst coach in the NFL) finally decided to do what all teams do against us with success. Throw the damn ball!
     
  12. Packnic

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    first of all herm IS the worst coach in football... that HBO documentary was a terrible idea on his part... hes crazy.


    second of all. Dh for someone who worships the ground Brett walks on... you sure do wanna take the ball out of his hands.

    so basically when we were 0-0 you were complaining that Brett wasnt in the Green Bay Packer plans.

    now we are 3-0 and your complaining that Brett is too much in the Green Bay Packer plans.

    sounds to me like your just complaining for complaining sake. but it wouldnt be so bad if you brought half *** arguments... but instead you make up things and twist them to fit your complaint of the week.
     
  13. warhawk

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    I agree. I picked up on that statement and went EVERYWHERE looking where he said this and found nothing of the sort. It's pretty sad when you put words in peoples mouth because the only negative crap you can find anywhere you have to make up.

    It's so good right now some people around here who have been on the TT and MM SUCKS bandwagon can't stand it.

    Pretty sad actually.
     
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    In watching the Packers play this season, it reminded me of the days of Sterling Sharpe when Packers had a mediocre running game and Sharpe was used like a RB substitute.

    Remember the 4 yard slants which he would catch about 6 to 7 times a game and he'd turn half of them into big gains or a TD?

    Until all the ducks are in a row in the RB position, I have a feeling that driver/Jennings/Jones combo will be used in similar ways.

    Personally, I like the pass first approach. It worked for Holmgren in the 90s and it is working now.

    When they ran on first down vs. the Giants, they got nowhere. When they opened it up by passing on first down, they were able to score almost at will.

    Having a ground attack helps but Packers right now need to set it up with the passing game.
     
  15. digsthepack

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    Obviously, we want to establish the running game more. But, as someone mentioned earlier, 3 - 5 yards on 1st downs via the pass is just as good as running the ball. Hell, it is how, to a great extent, we got to the SBs in the 1990s.

    Personally, I like the fact that MM is not so rigid in mindset (MS...ahem) that he plays to his players' strengths, instead of force feeding his "system" down their throats....something Mike "square pegs/round holes" Sherman did with regularity.

    As for the resident clairvoyant...you may wish to present what the coaches/players actually say, than what you infer from their comments.
     
  16. MassPackersFan

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    Please God yes. Otherwise you're going to confuse people, piss people off, start false rumors, and pretty much just be a nuisance on the message board.
     
  17. Obi1

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    Kind of like our government, the leading economists and the religious zealots
     
  18. dhpackr

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    You have to have a comfort when you call particular plays in certain situations, and there have been some growing pains there.


    WTF does this mean? it is MM exact words.
     
  19. dhpackr

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    you make me laugh. did you find this statement?

    You have to have a comfort when you call particular plays in certain situations, and there have been some growing pains there.
    explain it!
     
  20. Aytumious

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    It doesn't mean, "he has no confidence in his running attack."
     
  21. warhawk

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    Actually, you make me laugh.

    You blantantly and obviously gave YOUR interpretation of what YOU THINK his words MEANT which had nothing to do with the words that came out of his mouth.

    That's a far cry from what you reported here when you said you HEARD HIM SAY he had NO CONFIDENCE in the running game.

    Did they not run one in from down close in there earlier in the game? What was that? Oh, I get it. A wasted down that just happened to work out.

    They were just wasting one running it up in there so they could pass on the next play and damn if he didn't score. I'm quite certain MM vowed to never try it again.

    Being HE SAID he had no confidence in that part of the game and all.
     
  22. digsthepack

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    I have no confidence in your ability to keep this dialogue civil!! LOL
     
  23. dhpackr

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    so....you feel MM has confidence in his running game....right.

    the packers won the game on a rushing play, but 45 passes and 15 running plays, sooner or later this game plan will be defended.

    I'm not knocking a 3-0 start, i just am looking for a more balanced attack is all.
     
  24. dhpackr

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    are you a politician?
    quit dodging the question!
    What did MM mean when he said
    You have to have a comfort when you call particular plays in certain situations, and there have been some growing pains there.
     
  25. Aytumious

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    You certainly won't see the Packers try to run the ball all that much this coming week and for good reason.

    Here is the full quote, BTW.

     
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