Cam Achord new ST coach - Fire him

[gopkrs]

Or you could have the same in the pros as college has. Make it harder on these long range field goals.

I think it makes game calling very different instead of just basically placing the ball in the middle every play.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Yeah. I just read an article of how Achord values Smacks hard, straight line Kicks. Mentioning in New England and GB the straight line power is preferred. He said he doesn’t need a 60+ guy he needs a guy who can cut through the cold crosswinds at 40-45 yards with Power over finesse.

Brandon’s 40-49 range was oddly poor level last season. I’m not saying he’s terrible he went 13 straight up until at Chicago 0-2

McManus seemed to have a decent year, aside form the quad injury. But he was less reliable after he returned and was beyond horrible in the playoff loss. By cutting him Gluten is all in on Smack. And I imagine McManus will be kicking somewhere.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

I felt the same way. Favre certainly played well enough to win MVP, and it goes to the QB most often, I think. Howard just had too many returns that most affected the outcome. I was certainly surprised the MVP went to a STs guy, a returner. Looking back, it was a 50/50 call between Favre and Howard, and Howard stood out so mucj he won the award.

And yeah, I've heard Favre get dissed by Bear and viking fans for not getting the MVP. They need to get a life. Both teams would have jumped at the opportunity to have Favre at the time he started for GB. Hell the Vikings came within one Favre INT of the SB!

You could easily argue Reggie should've won the MVP, too.

 

[milani]

McManus seemed to have a decent year, aside form the quad injury. But he was less reliable after he returned and was beyond horrible in the playoff loss. By cutting him Gluten is all in on Smack. And I imagine McManus will be kicking somewhere.

Not that it was his fault but it did not help that 2 of his kicks were blocked. The game winner at Cleveland and the PAT at Dallas that would have meant victory. Man, we were bad. Like the Crosby block against the 9ers in 2021 and against the Chiefs in 2020, both of which cost us games.

 

[El Guapo]

You could easily argue Reggie should've won the MVP, too.

...but nobody changed the game the way that Howard did. Howard had several nice returns, including on the Packers first drive, to set Favre up for big plays. In the second half when the momentum was swinging in New England's favor, Howard stepped up again with the 99yd TD. White cemented the game with two or three sacks in a row. IMO - Howard deserved it as he set the tone and delivered the dagger.

 

[Heyjoe4]

You could easily argue Reggie should've won the MVP, too.

True, and it is a reminder that while great defense usually wins championships, very few defensive players win SB MVP. Not sure why.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Not that it was his fault but it did not help that 2 of his kicks were blocked. The game winner at Cleveland and the PAT at Dallas that would have meant victory. Man, we were bad. Like the Crosby block against the 9ers in 2021 and against the Chiefs in 2020, both of which cost us games.

Good point. McManus can't be blamed if the STs line behaves like a sieve. One block I can understand - now and then. But two in one game - that's not ok and is a breakdown in coaching.

 

[Heyjoe4]

...but nobody changed the game the way that Howard did. Howard had several nice returns, including on the Packers first drive, to set Favre up for big plays. In the second half when the momentum was swinging in New England's favor, Howard stepped up again with the 99yd TD. White cemented the game with two or three sacks in a row. IMO - Howard deserved it as he set the tone and delivered the dagger.

I agree. There were a few candidates for MVP, including Favre and White - as others have noted.

But no one impacted the game as often as Howard.

 

[rmontro]

True, and it is a reminder that while great defense usually wins championships, very few defensive players win SB MVP. Not sure why.

Probably because defense is such a team effort. Although offense is too...
Even fewer special teams players win SB MVP, Howard is the only one.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Probably because defense is such a team effort. Although offense is too...
Even fewer special teams players win SB MVP, Howard is the only one.

Yeah both offense and defense succeed (or fail) as teams, or units within a team. Offense usually draws the most attention from fans, viewers, and on. And the leader of the offense, almost always, is the QB. 33 QBs have won SB MVP, way ahead of WRs in second place, winning MVP 8 times.

The breakdown of SB MVPs by unit is:

Offense - 48
Defense - 10
STs - 1

(I know that adds up to 59. I used Google Gemini, not perfect...)

While digging through these factoids, I learned that the losing team had the MVP once - LB Chuck Howley of Dallas for SB V. The Colts beat the Cowboys 16-13. There were also a record 11 turnovers in the game.

I sure as hell don't remember the game and I don't recall the name Chuck Howley. (This is how AI is making my life better…….).

 

[gopkrs]

Yeah both offense and defense succeed (or fail) as teams, or units within a team. Offense usually draws the most attention from fans, viewers, and on. And the leader of the offense, almost always, is the QB. 33 QBs have won SB MVP, way ahead of WRs in second place, winning MVP 8 times.

The breakdown of SB MVPs by unit is:

Offense - 48
Defense - 10
STs - 1

(I know that adds up to 59. I used Google Gemini, not perfect...)

While digging through these factoids, I learned that the losing team had the MVP once - LB Chuck Howley of Dallas for SB V. The Colts beat the Cowboys 16-13. There were also a record 11 turnovers in the game.

I sure as hell don't remember the game and I don't recall the name Chuck Howley. (This is how AI is making my life better…….).

I thought Howley, a great player, was co mvp

 

[rmontro]

Yeah both offense and defense succeed (or fail) as teams, or units within a team. Offense usually draws the most attention from fans, viewers, and on. And the leader of the offense, almost always, is the QB. 33 QBs have won SB MVP, way ahead of WRs in second place, winning MVP 8 times.

RBs have also won SB MVP eight times.

 

[milani]

Yeah both offense and defense succeed (or fail) as teams, or units within a team. Offense usually draws the most attention from fans, viewers, and on. And the leader of the offense, almost always, is the QB. 33 QBs have won SB MVP, way ahead of WRs in second place, winning MVP 8 times.

The breakdown of SB MVPs by unit is:

Offense - 48
Defense - 10
STs - 1

(I know that adds up to 59. I used Google Gemini, not perfect...)

While digging through these factoids, I learned that the losing team had the MVP once - LB Chuck Howley of Dallas for SB V. The Colts beat the Cowboys 16-13. There were also a record 11 turnovers in the game.

I sure as hell don't remember the game and I don't recall the name Chuck Howley. (This is how AI is making my life better…….).

SB V. There was a pick and Jim O'Brien kicked the game winner. The contest was not your legendary featured SB that we see all the time. But it was competitive.
On another note, the MVP of the 1962 Championship Game was Ray Nitschke. In a 16-7 win during almost unplayable conditions Ray came up big. He tipped Tittle's pass to force an INT. He forced a fumble and he recovered a fumble. Then several hours after the game he appeared on CBS What's My Line television panel show as a mystery guest. Panelist Bennett Cerf guessed who Ray was because his son was at the game that afternoon.

 

[El Guapo]

Going on a severe tangent, nobody will ever be able to convince me that Aaron Rodgers deserved the MVP in SB XLV more than Jarrett Bush. Bush played his greatest game ever (I know, not hard to do) and made all kinds of plays that directly impacted the Packers victory. No singular play was greater than Matthews forced fumble or Rodgers insane TD pass to Jennings, but the kid won the Super Bowl for Green Bay hands down. Without Jarrett Bush, there would be no SB victory to talk about.

 

[milani]

Going on a severe tangent, nobody will ever be able to convince me that Aaron Rodgers deserved the MVP in SB XLV more than Jarrett Bush. Bush played his greatest game ever (I know, not hard to do) and made all kinds of plays that directly impacted the Packers victory. No singular play was greater than Matthews forced fumble or Rodgers insane TD pass to Jennings, but the kid won the Super Bowl for Green Bay hands down. Without Jarrett Bush, there would be no SB victory to talk about.

In the words of Greg Jennings, " Jerod Bush MAKING PLAYS! "
Lot of players stepped up that day especially with Woodson and Driver suffering 1st half injuries. In ANY other year I think we lose. But next man up in 2010 started in week 1.
Kuhn making blocks. Howard Green hitting Big Ben's hand to cause the Nick Collins pick. And that 4th down pass that we stopped on the Steelers final play. If we ever win another SB some unsung hero will be a big part of the story.

 

[lambeaulambo]

man i picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.

 

[DoURant]

man i picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.

I usually don't try to influence people who have given things up, but if you are in need...

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[gopkrs]

I usually don't try to influence people who have given things up, but if you are in need...

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Pretty sure it's not that kind. You snort Elmer's glue

 

[DoURant]

Pretty sure it's not that kind. You snort Elmer's glue

Who...Me? Nooooo. Although I'm not an Air Traffic Controller. How about you?

 

[gopkrs]

Not an air traffic controller either

 

[DoURant]

Not an air traffic controller either

Well, I guess we have more than just being Packers fans in common I was hoping to find a GIF of that scene, but no dice.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I thought Howley, a great player, was co mvp

That may be true gopkrs, and that may explain why there is one more MVP than SBs.

 

[Poppa San]

Well, I guess we have more than just being Packers fans in common I was hoping to find a GIF of that scene, but no dice.

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[OldSchool101]

McManus seemed to have a decent year, aside form the quad injury. But he was less reliable after he returned and was beyond horrible in the playoff loss. By cutting him Gluten is all in on Smack. And I imagine McManus will be kicking somewhere.

I think there’s a legitimate competition. I almost forgot how Havrisik did improve over his 2024 #. Although it’s a smaller sample also. Probably give the tiebreaker to the Drafted player though. Lukas will have his hands (or foot) full trying to surpass Smack.

 

[milani]

I think there’s a legitimate competition. I almost forgot how Havrisik did improve over his 2024 #. Although it’s a smaller sample also. Probably give the tiebreaker to the Drafted player though. Lukas will have his hands (or foot) full trying to surpass Smack.

But Lukas could land a spot somewhere or he could see the PS.