2026 Roster Thread - Semi-Live

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Where is Lazard now? Is he even on a roster?
He is a free agent. Available. Rodgers may lobby for him to sign with the team for which Rodgers could play. Maybe Pittsburgh. He is still 30 years old. A bad 2025 could be because of the QB the Jets had.
 

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He is a free agent. Available. Rodgers may lobby for him to sign with the team for which Rodgers could play. Maybe Pittsburgh. He is still 30 years old. A bad 2025 could be because of the QB the Jets had.
You mean current GB backup QB Tyrod Taylor? ;) Taylor played 6 games for the Jets in '25, Fields in 9 games, & Brady Cook 5 games.
 

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My point is to say that all stats are basically useless without context...and this is *especially* true for the "advanced" stats like pressure/win rate/etc.

Presented on their own these measures don't speak at all to...

who were they lined up against?
who was providing pass rush on the opposite side?
what kind of stunts were called? did they have blitzing support?
was it a "designed pressure" on the part of the offense (for instance, a screen pass may often "invite" a pressure and the defender gets credited for it, but that's how the play was intended to function)
what was the game situation/context? Was the opponent "chasing" the game and playing catchup? Did both sides have their starting personnel out there?

Did the player *actually* influence the play in any perceptible way?

For instance, with pressures in particular, there is both an "objective" and "subjective" definition. The subjective definition (which seems to be more commonplace) more or less says that if the QB is touched, flushed out of the pocket, forced to scrambled, hurried, or has his throw/progression impacted, it's a pressure. Objectively, for example, Next Gen Stats says "any pass attempt or sack where a defender was within 2 yards of the QB at pass forward or within 1.5 yards of the QB at any point during the play" is a pressure. So you can understand how there is plenty of room for interpretation here on both counts.

And beyond all that: do the numbers line up with what your eyes are telling you? I've said it before that we should not evaluate solely on eye-test - there's a tendency to see what we want to see (or ignore that which we don't) and this is an inherently subjective way to assess*. But we should also not rely solely on the numbers OR fall into the mistake of (perhaps subconsciously) assuming that all statistics are created equal and should be weighted the same....or that these measures are by themselves predictive of future performance

*of course, as noted, many pressure statistics are created precisely by the "eye test" in the first place, so maybe we have come full-circle...

So to bring it back around, when you look at Gary's stat sheet...there are a number of measures that you might look at and conclude that he must be a pretty good player and he must've had a good year. Do your eyes tell you the same? (In this case obviously the team - having access to the same statistics and then some - felt that his pressure numbers were not good enough to warrant keeping around)
We can say "LVN had a great pass rush win rate last season!" and that may be objectively true in itself but also itself doesn't support many of the conclusions we might want to draw from that. It doesn't provide any reliable predictive measure and it doesn't address any of the above-outlined context concerns.

So yes, in a nutshell...if you have "raw" pressure statistics in one hand and a nickel in the other, you have five cents. Now if you have a nickel in one hand, and pressure statistics that are provided in-context, outlining the game situation, personnel, playcalling, measurable impact on the play outcome, and demonstrate alignment with the eye-test, well, then you might really have something!
Thanks Magooch. I simply viewed your comment as shorthand for "Gary wasn't worth what he was paid." Kinda sums it up, and explains why he's no longer with the team. And I don't think anyone who watched the Packers last season would disagree.
 

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He is a free agent. Available. Rodgers may lobby for him to sign with the team for which Rodgers could play. Maybe Pittsburgh. He is still 30 years old. A bad 2025 could be because of the QB the Jets had.
Thanks milani. I thought he was 33 or 34 y/o. Anyway, I'm not interested in bringing him back.
 

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Thanks milani. I thought he was 33 or 34 y/o. Anyway, I'm not interested in bringing him back.
The two things a like about him are his blocking skills and his height. But I am not sure if he could have an impact unless we had several major injuries. Knock on wood.
 

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The two things a like about him are his blocking skills and his height. But I am not sure if he could have an impact unless we had several major injuries. Knock on wood.
He'd make a decent acquisition if the price is right and no one else better is available.

I do love his physicality - height and blocking as you mention. That's a valuable but under-appreciated skill in a WR. I just wonder why he hasn't landed anywhere yet.
 

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He'd make a decent acquisition if the price is right and no one else better is available.

I do love his physicality - height and blocking as you mention. That's a valuable but under-appreciated skill in a WR. I just wonder why he hasn't landed anywhere yet.
I saw Lazard play a couple times and imo he did not look the same. He wasn't catching the ball well.
 

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Lazard was OK 6-7 years ago. Summary of Lazard's '25 season... "his questionable hands have led to drop rates of 17.9% in 2023 and a nearly identical 17.8% in 2024.

A receiver who struggles to separate, struggles to high-point the ball in contested catch situations, and struggles to reel it in when he is targeted is simply too much of a liability..."
 

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The ONLY reason Lazard's name would even be brought up for consideration at all is due to familiarity and him being an ex-Packer. There's not any performance-based case for it whatsoever at this point.

If he were not a former Packer there would not be a soul on planet earth saying "here's a guy who we should think about bringing in"
 

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The ONLY reason Lazard's name would even be brought up for consideration at all is due to familiarity and him being an ex-Packer. There's not any performance-based case for it whatsoever at this point.

If he were not a former Packer there would not be a soul on planet earth saying "here's a guy who we should think about bringing in"

Yup and that was a big issue that Rodgers had with Gute and the Packers, as well as one I fully supported Rodgers on. Besides Davante, Rodgers last 5 or so years in Green Bay were having to throw to a bunch of JAGS. I will always wonder just how powerful of an offense we would have had, had more resources been put into the receiving room.
 
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You are not bringing in Lazard expected mountains to happen, he's literally there likely getting Melton level snaps on the year barring an injury but is a guy that has been there and done that for sure and knows what to expect in GB...I was kinda hoping MVS would be released, I still think having him as a 4th or 5th would be GOLD - or a guy like him.
 

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I was kinda hoping MVS would be released, I still think having him as a 4th or 5th would be GOLD - or a guy like him.

I thought the Cowboys signed him after the draft to a 1 year deal at a minimum type salary?

I would rather see young talent get the reps. We have 3 pretty decent young receivers and a guy like Savion that Gute used a 3rd round pick on. While I understand your desire to have a Lazard or MVS deep in the rotation, simply because they are familiar with Love and the offense. I just don't know if that is what is best for a young receiving room. Both Lazard and MVS are on their way down and there isn't any "developing" of either to do.
 

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He'd make a decent acquisition if the price is right and no one else better is available.

I do love his physicality - height and blocking as you mention. That's a valuable but under-appreciated skill in a WR. I just wonder why he hasn't landed anywhere yet.
I miss the wing span. That is sometimes more valuable on throws over the top than a little guy who stretches the D but cannot go up and wrestle the ball from a double team. That is what Lombardi liked about Boyd Dowler and Max McGee.
 

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I saw Lazard play a couple times and imo he did not look the same. He wasn't catching the ball well.
Thanks gopkrs. I liked Lazard for what he was - a reliable but not exceptional WR with the ability and willingness to block.

That said, I don't think bringing him back is a good idea. And my reason has nothing to do with his ability. It's a psychological reason I guess. Bringing him back brings back a past that this team has moved beyond. It just doesn't feel right.

Nothing against Lazard. I hope he lands somewhere, he's only 30. Just not GB.
 

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I miss the wing span. That is sometimes more valuable on throws over the top than a little guy who stretches the D but cannot go up and wrestle the ball from a double team. That is what Lombardi liked about Boyd Dowler and Max McGee.
Good points, and I never thought of Dowler and McGee as guys who could win jump balls, but they did - they just didn't look like today's elite WRs - 6'4", 220 lbs with 38-40" vertical leaps. They were smaller, but everyone was smaller back then. It's all relative. Anyway, a good point m. Thanks.
 

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The ONLY reason Lazard's name would even be brought up for consideration at all is due to familiarity and him being an ex-Packer. There's not any performance-based case for it whatsoever at this point.

If he were not a former Packer there would not be a soul on planet earth saying "here's a guy who we should think about bringing in"
Agreed Magooch. And Lazard, right or wrong, represents a different era of GB football. The team and the fans have moved on. No thanks to Lazard or MVS.
 

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Good points, and I never thought of Dowler and McGee as guys who could win jump balls, but they did - they just didn't look like today's elite WRs - 6'4", 220 lbs with 38-40" vertical leaps. They were smaller, but everyone was smaller back then. It's all relative. Anyway, a good point m. Thanks.
The BMI was different. They were not the muscular phenomenons of today. But Dowler was 6'6" if I recall and ran a 9.6 in the 100 when he was drafted, a weapon for a team that ran the football. McGee was not as fast and not as athletic. And he did not work that hard in practice. He lost playing time in the 50s due to military service. But he was always in shape and rarely got injured.
 

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Dowler was a hurdler. A good one I think. There have been several wide out/flankers that were hurdlers. The bears had a great one.
 

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Thanks gopkrs. I liked Lazard for what he was - a reliable but not exceptional WR with the ability and willingness to block.

That said, I don't think bringing him back is a good idea. And my reason has nothing to do with his ability. It's a psychological reason I guess. Bringing him back brings back a past that this team has moved beyond. It just doesn't feel right.

Nothing against Lazard. I hope he lands somewhere, he's only 30. Just not GB.

Agree.

I mean for an UDFA out of Iowa State, he made himself a nice NFL career. I think Aaron Rodgers had a lot to do with that. Had the Packers not plucked him off the Jaguars Practice Squad in 2018, who knows if you would have had much of a career. So I guess he should be thanking Gute as well.
 

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The BMI was different. They were not the muscular phenomenons of today. But Dowler was 6'6" if I recall and ran a 9.6 in the 100 when he was drafted, a weapon for a team that ran the football. McGee was not as fast and not as athletic. And he did not work that hard in practice. He lost playing time in the 50s due to military service. But he was always in shape and rarely got injured.
Yeah the NFL players today, with the exception of the wide bodies, probably are in the 5-8% body-fat % range. That is all muscle.

I didn't realize Dowler was 6.6". Damn that made him a giant in those days. And apparently pretty speedy. Thanks for the info milani!

McGee was a character. Gotta wonder how much better he could have performed if he didn't keep breaking curfew to hit the GB bars. Then again, he wouldn't be Max. Gotta love the guy.
 
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Dowler was a hurdler. A good one I think. There have been several wide out/flankers that were hurdlers. The bears had a great one.
At that height and with that speed, makes sense he was a hurdler.

Hmm who was the track star that became a great WR for the Falcons? Julius Jones I think? He was an olympic athlete, I think in the 100m, 220m, 440 m amd 880 m. All sprints. Not sure if he ran hurdles. i think he did.

Other olympians have tried and failed in the NFL, although no names come to mind. Jones, on the other hand, was an excellent WR for Atlanta.
 

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Yeah the NFL players today, with the exception of the wide bodies, probably are in the 5-8% body-fat % range. That is all muscle.

I didn't realize Dowler was 6.6". Damn that made him a giant in those days. And apparently pretty speedy. Thanks for the info milani!

McGee was a character. Gotta wonder how much better he could have performed if he didn't keep breaking curfew to hit the GB bars. Then again, he wouldn't be Max. Gotta love the guy.
Indeed. But part of McGee's success was that he had this carefree, aloof attitude. Come show time he never felt all the butterflies other players did. So playing was more routine, 9-5, for him. But then when he was elderly he wanted to repair some of his roof. His wife told him not to climb up on the roof. But Max, nonchalant as he was, thought nothing of it. When she was out he went up and fell to his death.
 
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