2026 Roster Thread - Semi-Live

[gopkrs]

jmo of course, but I think pressure rate stats are very suspect

 

[tynimiller]

jmo of course, but I think pressure rate stats are very suspect

If it was a stat which should be ignored or treated as so subjective in nature to not hold it up at all it would seem chaotic and have crazy randos ranked high and such. Fact is your most elite or minimum best pass rushers are routinely high on pressure rates.

LVN has proven himself fully capable and his snap counts have increased each year (33% / 39% / 45%) all the while. I suspect easily this is the year he sees over 50% of snaps given expanded role with Parsons (77%) out, Gary (62%) and Enagbare (42%) gone. If he can produce in pressures and continue to grow above just solid against the run...he's walking his way into a BIG contract....but we've seen solid guys waivered at a bigger role. Time will tell.

 

[tynimiller]

Well J’aire, Stokes, Quay all started year 1

I’d say yes to Love it’s worth the investment waiting. Matter of fact the Vikings could take a page out of our employee handbook. I’d say Wyatt was worth waiting a year also. I see no problem with him.

Rashan got behind ZaDarius and Preston but you could argue that 5 years he played as a FT starter. We don’t know with Golden because he hasn’t played in his 2nd season yet. Chances are he’s a yes on worth investment wait.

Really the only players you can really argue might not be worth waiting for are Morgan and Van Ness (but Morgan also missed his entire Rookie season). It’s entirely possible he would’ve won a starting role faster but he injured. Yet you could arguable slide him to questionable. College Sophomore Lukas Van Ness is the only solid player you can definitively argue was not worth his draft placement (yet). He’s also the only true projection type after Barely seeing the field before being drafted.

Are 2 players a trend? Out of 6 qualifier? (excluding Golden and Cisse because jury is out). I’d give you Lukas but he is closer to anomoly than a trend in GB to not recover investments on Day 1’s. See I don’t agree with you saying it’s a trend that we don’t recover investment until it’s too late. I flat out disagree with the basis of that question with all due respect it’s a form of leading.

Exactly....folks claiming we don't play our Day1's hide from the fact this simply is not true.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I'd be surprised if he came to tryouts out of shape, MLF seemed to indicate that he looked in shape, but who knows.

Looks like for now, they will stick to the 9 WR's currently on the roster, i guess 10 if you count Bo Melton:

- Christian Watson
- Matthew Golden
- Jayden Reed
- Savion Williams
- Skyy Moore
- Will Sheppard
- Jakobie Keeney-James
- Isaiah Neyor
- J. Michael Sturdivant

Thanks for putting all the current WRs in one list. It's weird to not see Doubs in there anymore, or Wicks.

As of right now, Gluten is counting on Watson, Reed, and Golden to carry the day. There isn't much proven depth behind these three.

I'm pretty sure Gluten will add a veteran at some point, maybe Claypool.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Well, tryouts ended yesterday, so maybe we will hear today/tomorrow if he or any other tryout participants were made an offer.

I thought it was cool that before DDS gave his interview, he asked for every reporters name, so that he could get to know them.

Also notable is the absence of a guy that was reported to have been signed as an UDFA, TE Eni Falayi from Wake Forest. I didn't see his name on the minicamp roster. It is possible he may have failed a physical exam or else the reporting of his signing was inaccurate.

Thanks for that factoid about DDS. Who does that - ask for the beat reporters' names so he can get familiar with them and, presumably, answer using a reporter's name?

I liked DDS anyway. This little anecdote says a lot about his character. Thanks Poker.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Thanks for that factoid about DDS. Who does that - ask for the beat reporters' names so he can get familiar with them and, presumably, answer using a reporter's name?

I liked DDS anyway. This little anecdote says a lot about his character. Thanks Poker.

Yes, it sat well with me too. I had read one scouts comment that said DDS had a "confident demeanor and a "ferocious" presence", which to some came off as being arrogant. If that was really the case, DDS might be trying to tamper things down a bit and be more humble, knowing he has a fresh start, in a new City.

I don't mind confidence in people, but arrogance can be off-putting and we have seen that with a few players over the years.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm pretty sure Gluten will add a veteran at some point, maybe Claypool.

I really have to wonder if what MLF said earlier this year about some guys not being happy in their roles had something to do with deciding against signing Claypool? Both Doubs and Wicks were 2 guys that had been linked to players wanting more opportunities and they are not longer with the team. If that was the case, why even invite Claypool to tryout? A favor to his agent?

Anyway, I wouldn't have had a problem with creating more competition for roster positions in May. Earn your spot on the team, earn your reps and targets.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If Claypool is 240'ish I wonder if he may be an option as receiving TE for GB?

The guy to keep an eye on is UDFA TE RJ Maryland. The dude is pretty fast for a big man and looks like a solid receiver. For now RJ is more of an F Type TE, but if they can polish his blocking skills, he might make some noise as the #3 TE.

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[tynimiller]

The guy to keep an eye on is UDFA TE RJ Maryland. The dude is pretty fast for a big man and looks like a solid receiver. For now RJ is more of an F Type TE, but if they can polish his blocking skills, he might make some noise as the #3 TE.

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RJ had a 5th round grade by me....for the penny that is worth. I had him red circled hoping he would be one of our last three picks when the 6th round started.

 

[tynimiller]

Some notes I had listed for Maryland:

-6'4' 238lbs - broad frame from a body type reminds me of Kittle.
- Gross total stats are 1,495 yards / 19 TDs / 13.2 yards per reception / 40% of his yards are YAC yards
- His hands are solid, despite never being a massive yard producer...he has been a target when scores were needed...averaging just shy of 5 TDs a season...which is impressive considering his average targets a season was just 41.5 a season and 28.5 receptions a season.
- Four year contributor for SMU he put up 296 yards as a freshman and 6 TDs
- Pass blocking reps have been limited in his career but he does excellent at them and is a dangerous chip and releases.
- Run Blocking he is well better than Musgrave IMO, but is for sure not on the level of Kraft yet for sure.
- He is a swift runner that almost is a sub 4.5 guy which is why when he gets covered by LBs he wrecked defenses and when you put smaller CBs on him he will out body them.

I had a 5th round grade and a guy that I immediately saw as GB's TE3 for sure with us likely knowing his future after a full year here.

 

[Krabs]

The guy to keep an eye on is UDFA TE RJ Maryland. The dude is pretty fast for a big man and looks like a solid receiver. For now RJ is more of an F Type TE, but if they can polish his blocking skills, he might make some noise as the #3 TE.

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Some of those catches were on blown coverages from bad college defenses. However, there were a few nice catches in traffic and a couple where he showed very nice body control to make the catches. Also, they looked like he got both feet in, so would have counted in the NFL as well. Nice addition for an UDFA. We are a little slender at TE too, so he may be the UDFA we keep on the roster this season.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Nice breakdown and "grading" of the Packers roster by Andy Herman today.

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[SudsMcBucky]

Thanks for that factoid about DDS. Who does that - ask for the beat reporters' names so he can get familiar with them and, presumably, answer using a reporter's name?

I liked DDS anyway. This little anecdote says a lot about his character. Thanks Poker.

Ex-badger OL Tyler Biadasz started this little diddy when he went to his first presser after signing with the Chargers. Made the way through the socials.

 

[Magooch]

Regarding drafting older vs younger I strongly feel it should not be a particularly "set" philosophy one way or another but rather something that you adjust based on your team's current context. If you are in a "win now window" then it makes a lot less sense to draft in a way that favors "long term potential," while if you are a team in the midst of a rebuild it doesn't make as much sense to favor "ready-made" prospects who are probably close to their ceilings.

I take the Rams this year for example. Now to be fair you can say that QB is perhaps an exception to the rule and if you have a chance to get your guy - even if it's a long term play, you make the move. BUT, set that aside...the Rams are a team who were very, very good last season. They head into the draft in a position where they might reasonably feel they just need one or two pieces to push them over the top. In those situations it makes a lot more sense to favor those "finished product" type of guys who can step in and contribute immediately. When you have a QB who is 38 and (while still playing at a high level) likely nearing the tail-end of his career, it doesn't make a lot of sense to be looking to add guys who are going to take 3, 4 years to reach their potential. Your window with your current team will have likely "closed" by then.

On the other hand let's look at maybe the Cardinals. Now I am not necessarily saying Jeremiyah Love is already at his ceiling, but he's the type of guy who is ready to hit the ground running. But they don't have a QB and have holes all over the roster. They are looking at a multi year rebuild probably. They can afford to get those guys who are higher potential but take longer to get to it - that's often the bigger value play.

Neither approach is right or wrong or "better" than the other. It's very situational.

NOW in our case I do kind of feel like we have a strong tendency to lean hard towards favoring youth and potential vs experience, production, and immediate contributors. I know I've said it before but if we had the chance to draft a 5/10 college player with 10/10 "traits" or "potential" (but who might never become more than a 5-6/10) or a 8/10 college player who will only ever be a 8, 9/10, we would almost always draft the 5/10 guy and bank on them blossoming into a great player. In other words we would almost always prefer "low floor, high ceiling" to "High floor, low ceiling".

There's certainly a time where that makes sense but it's not all the time. We had a number of years - especially towards the end of the Rodgers era - where it felt like we were considerably more concerned with the transition and future-planning than we were with getting players who could contribute right there in the here and now. And while this "worked" to some degree, you could also argue that we opted to pass on the chance to be *great* for a year or two and instead opted to just be consistently really, really good, if that makes sense.

Now obviously it's not always that simple. I mean every team wants to draft guys who are both high ceiling AND high floor, guys who can contribute day one AND continue growing as they go. But those players are rare, and in a lot of instances where we've been drafting - later in the round - there's often a lot more value in the "low floor high ceiling" guys, the ones with traits and potential but less by way of production. Most teams aren't getting a ton of day one contributors towards the bottom of the first (as you may have heard, every year there's probably only 15-20 "true first round prospects" or whatnot)

Anywho I'm rambling. I guess my point is...both approaches have merit, BUT in our particular situation(s) I think there are times where we could've stood to have been a bit more aggressive, and playing the "long play" has at times (NOT always) got us stuck in a "good but not great" type limbo here and there.

 

[OldSchool101]

RJ had a 5th round grade by me....for the penny that is worth. I had him red circled hoping he would be one of our last three picks when the 6th round started.

I was shocked we didn’t go TE or RB
I was wrong I was very confident we’d take at least 1. Like 80% chances. Mostly because looking forward we’re not locked down at both positions and depth.

I think we all know that Tucker will get a nice offer from GB. That said it appears very possible that GB deems Musgrave as someone they might give a more secondary $ offer to. TE2 is a little easier to retain though. Musgrave might take a medium term 3yrX$10-15Mil 35% guar type offer. While Musgrave has underperformed, he’s also getting slightly better year over year imo. I’m not afraid to pay him $4-5Mil annual to retain his services.

Brian might be thinking hitting both next draft, depending on Lloyd and Musgrave contributions. We’re staring at like 6 picks by RD4 or 8 picks by RD5. That RD3-5 is a really reliable area to find a good Inline TE or RB2 that can product a little earlier.

 

[OldSchool101]

jmo of course, but I think pressure rate stats are very suspect

I became convinced that Pressures are underrated as I looked around the League and began to see the drastic variance in performance when
“Under Pressure”

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[tynimiller]

Seriously...this extension by Reed is an example of a guy that realizes what he has with Love and GB and wanted his money but also wanted that consistency....this contract yes does easily have an out for the team after the 2027 season ($7M savings) BUT if Reed produces like he always has when healthy (and stays relatively healthy) that $17.6 and $17.2 a year in 2028 and 2029 by that time likely might seem like a steal!

Man...

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[gopkrs]

I became convinced that Pressures are underrated as I looked around the League and began to see the drastic variance in performance when
“Under Pressure”

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Yes. Pressures might be underated to the average fan. But I don't think that they grade them well at all.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I really have to wonder if what MLF said earlier this year about some guys not being happy in their roles had something to do with deciding against signing Claypool? Both Doubs and Wicks were 2 guys that had been linked to players wanting more opportunities and they are not longer with the team. If that was the case, why even invite Claypool to tryout? A favor to his agent?

Anyway, I wouldn't have had a problem with creating more competition for roster positions in May. Earn your spot on the team, earn your reps and targets.

Good catch, and I think you're right about Doubs and Wicks not being happy with their roles. Attitudes like that can hurt a locker room. If Claypool is more of the same, then no thanks.

I recall a post-season poll of players who were not happy with MLF, and I think it was along these lines - unhappy with how they were being used, or not used.

That could be a big issue and depends where it's coming from. In a universe of only 53 guys, it doesn't take much to create such a polling outcome.

I'm not that worried about it. Doubs was certainly going somewhere else. Not sure about Wicks. He wasn't used a lot, as I recall, but sure seemed to deliver when his number was called.

Back to the point, the WR group could use another veteran presence, mainly for depth. The current roster relies quite a bit on Golden and Williams having solid years. They were rookies, and in the case of Golden with 44 targets, not used much. Golden should be fine with more targets, and with Doubs and Wicks gone, he'll be seeing the ball a lot more. OK w me.

Williams is a bit of a mystery. Not used a lot as a WR, and with Moore on board, Williams won't be return ing many kicks - I guess. Seems like a talented guy, but still a ? mark.

 

[tynimiller]

Yes. Pressures might be underated to the average fan. But I don't think that they grade them well at all.

I've questioned the pressure amounts in games before and it has been very rare that I find that I disagree by more than one for a guy a game - if you ever can rewatch the All22 film focusing on one guy and count the pressures before you see what is being reported for them. It's a fun but time consuming exercise for sure.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Seriously...this extension by Reed is an example of a guy that realizes what he has with Love and GB and wanted his money but also wanted that consistency....this contract yes does easily have an out for the team after the 2027 season ($7M savings) BUT if Reed produces like he always has when healthy (and stays relatively healthy) that $17.6 and $17.2 a year in 2028 and 2029 by that time likely might seem like a steal!

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Given how much he contributes when healthy, I thought the Reed contract was team-friendly. He did bang up his shoulder and missed, I think, 7 games. I don't think injuries are a problem with him. Same for Watson, he overcame the problematic hamstring injuries and only missed one game after he returned to a pretty nasty shoulder hit.

I'd still like some veteran depth at WR. That luxury disappeared with Doubs and Wicks.

 

[tynimiller]

Given how much he contributes when healthy, I thought the Reed contract was team-friendly. He did bang up his shoulder and missed, I think, 7 games. I don't think injuries are a problem with him. Same for Watson, he overcame the problematic hamstring injuries and only missed one game after he returned to a pretty nasty shoulder hit.

I'd still like some veteran depth at WR. That luxury disappeared with Doubs and Wicks.

I am fully comfortable with our WR room, now next off season some building is likely to be needed, but we have been spoiled with our depth there for sure...but Watson / Reed / Golden / Savion / Moore and Melton is not a bad room at all...then factor in Kraft too.

Now I will say something that will likely get a ton of people up in arms, but I truly think a call to Lazard should be placed. Minimum type contract deal, build in some incentives incase playing time is needed but having a capable guy, who can block and honestly has solid hands as your WR4 with Savion would help calm the waves sure to happen at times during the season.

 

[gopkrs]

I've questioned the pressure amounts in games before and it has been very rare that I find that I disagree by more than one for a guy a game - if you ever can rewatch the All22 film focusing on one guy and count the pressures before you see what is being reported for them. It's a fun but time consuming exercise for sure.

Well, there are pressures that make a difference and then there's them that don't.

 

[gopkrs]

I am fully comfortable with our WR room, now next off season some building is likely to be needed, but we have been spoiled with our depth there for sure...but Watson / Reed / Golden / Savion / Moore and Melton is not a bad room at all...then factor in Kraft too.

Now I will say something that will likely get a ton of people up in arms, but I truly think a call to Lazard should be placed. Minimum type contract deal, build in some incentives incase playing time is needed but having a capable guy, who can block and honestly has solid hands as your WR4 with Savion would help calm the waves sure to happen at times during the season.

Maybe if Savion can't cut it

 

[tynimiller]

Well, there are pressures that make a difference and then there's them that don't.

All pressures influence the QB...sometimes the QB however still completes the pass...doesn't change the pressure caused an adjustment or rush.