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I don't think it's a better move necessarily.

I think Baltimore's window is 1-2 years ( Henry)

Crosby is the better player, and the much less risk.

If Baltimore trades their 1st for a AJ Brown, then it's a good move.

However, if they keep their 1sts? Give me Crosby over Hendrickson and the 1st rounders.
Well in a vacuum, I definitely think signing a player for market value beats signing the same player for the same market value plus high end draft capital. You could argue that Parsons waw more expensive than Love — 47M APY plus two 1sts plus Clark versus 55M APY for a late 1st.

But I agree with what you’re saying, the quality of player matters, too.

This looks like a deal that the Ravens will be very happy with for a year, maybe two, and they already know it’s going to hurt after that.

I actually thought he’d get more, though. Kind of wild to think Alec Pierce got more than Trey Hendrickson.
 

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Well in a vacuum, I definitely think signing a player for market value beats signing the same player for the same market value plus high end draft capital. You could argue that Parsons waw more expensive than Love — 47M APY plus two 1sts plus Clark versus 55M APY for a late 1st.

But I agree with what you’re saying, the quality of player matters, too.

This looks like a deal that the Ravens will be very happy with for a year, maybe two, and they already know it’s going to hurt after that.

I actually thought he’d get more, though. Kind of wild to think Alec Pierce got more than Trey Hendrickson.
I for sure agree in general.

In this case ( unless Baltimore trades a first rounder for a player) I would much rather have Crosby than Hendrickson and the firsts.

I believe that their window is this year and MAYBE next year. If you don't believe that's the case, than of course you want Hendrickson and the picks.
 

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Obviously none of us can know for sure but I think the Ravens just got cold feet. Everyone knew Crosby had meniscus surgery.
Crosby will be back at it soon. Meniscus is not the worst injury. Just wonder who will acquire him next.
 

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Cox back. 1 year for 2.5 mil.

I'm actually really fine with the group even with Parsons' injury.

Cox looked real good at the end of the year
LVN- looked really good when healthy
Sorrell- looked very good as a rookie
Oliver has juice
 
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Wonder how much the Crosby thing impacts Packers. Cowboys could pull back from Gary trade and Raiders could pull back on Q. Walker signing possibly given Crosby back on books (although think they had a ton of cap room). Ravens didnt make any friends... not to mention they lost a ton of guys now too.
Could be. I still think the bigger issue was the pair of RD1 draft compensation they were given up.
So I heard at most Dallas offered a RD1 + a pick swap Dallas 2027 RD2 for a Raiders lesser selection in return. So imo that’s a sticking point.

Dallas only parted with a RD4 for Gary and they got serious Cap $$ concerns right now. They couldnt afford Trey imo.
 

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I don’t think anyone else is pulling back. I think Baltimore wanted Crosby, then got in the mix for Hendrickson, figured they could save their draft picks and still get a pass rusher, got cold feet and invented an excuse. Not a good look and I don’t think other teams will be following.
 
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I don’t think anyone else is pulling back. I think Baltimore wanted Crosby, then got in the mix for Hendrickson, figured they could save their draft picks and still get a pass rusher, got cold feet and invented an excuse. Not a good look and I don’t think other teams will be following.
Oh I agree. Although I don’t really think anyone will have any long lasting impact on switching players. It’s such a huge investment and nobody really got held up for any amount of time.

The only thing it does possibly do is bring down Crosby guaranteed $$ a smidge. Not sure the truth to the physical but just not helping Maxx’s cause there.
 

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Honestly it sounds to me like the most likely outcome at this point is just that he ultimately stays with Vegas..... I would have to check the numbers to be sure but I don't think their cap situation is as such that they HAVE to move him now to be able to afford their other additions. Maybe that becomes a problem down the line but right now they can afford to bring him back into the fold without having to pass on their other new signings...

Supposedly the Cowboys (who were the other big name mentioned) are out, and the Raiders for their part reportedly do not intend to lower their asking price of 2 1st round picks. But I don't see how anyone is going to offer that at this point. Kubiak gets a chance to sell him on the new project and a few months from now it's water under the bridge... Unless Maxx has made it clear he will not cooperate and won't play for them again, I think they would rather patch things up than sell him at a serious discount...
 

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I don’t think anyone else is pulling back. I think Baltimore wanted Crosby, then got in the mix for Hendrickson, figured they could save their draft picks and still get a pass rusher, got cold feet and invented an excuse. Not a good look and I don’t think other teams will be following.

They could have gone after Hendrickson at any time. There seemed to be more interest by teams in Crosby than Hendrickson. So i dont think they simply changed their minds. There is likely a dozen people on a team contributing to such a big decision. I can't believe they all just changed their minds.

NFL radio had a doctor on there who suggested that Crosby did some permanent damage by playing on it for as long as he did. I understand Crosby was posting videos of playing basketball to show Raiders that he could have player. This may have had a serious impact on his career.
 

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“Yeah, the Eagles never have shopped him. Never have shopped him. And that doesn’t mean they can’t in the future, but they have not made him available.”

 
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Cox back. 1 year for 2.5 mil.

I'm actually really fine with the group even with Parsons' injury.

Cox looked real good at the end of the year
LVN- looked really good when healthy
Sorrell- looked very good as a rookie
Oliver has juice
I think between Brenton and Colin one of those guys will rise the ranks. If Brenton just picks up where he ended he's a starting level DE similar in effect to Enagbare etc (not identical strengths but similar impact) I just don't know what his medical eval is and will he fully pop back to form idk? Yet at $2.5mil this is a no-brainer move. That's Teams level $ for a guy with a chance to compete for a primary rotational Edge. Just for the record I'd take Enagbare over Cox Jr for the same $$, yet there's Zero % chance would I take Enagbare at $10mil and forfeit $7.5mil over Cox Jr contract
 
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I think between Brenton and Colin one of those guys will rise the ranks. If Brenton just picks up where he ended he's a starting level DE similar in effect to Enagbare etc.. I just don't know what his medical eval is and will he fully pop back to form idk?
Can groin injuries be limiting in the future?
 

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Could be. I still think the bigger issue was the pair of RD1 draft compensation they were given up.
So I heard at most Dallas offered a RD1 + a pick swap Dallas 2027 RD2 for a Raiders lesser selection in return. So imo that’s a sticking point.

Dallas only parted with a RD4 for Gary and they got serious Cap $$ concerns right now. They couldnt afford Trey imo.
Should have no impact. You are talking Jerry here. Whole different creature.
 

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He is 33! Peppers was at the end when we got him. With the Zaire deal we are no longer the youngest team in the league any longer. Could be a good thing.
 
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Can groin injuries be limiting in the future?
I have no idea. As far as those players I think that varies from person to person. I do think Brenton Cox Jr is going to make a full recovery because it’s unlikely he gets a contract without checking out. Now that doesn’t imply he cannot be prone to reinjury either. Might be why we got him cheaper because there’s an outside risk. Although imo everyone is an outside risk.
So far it doesn’t sound like either Oliver or Cox Jr issues are the level of career threatening injuries (not suggesting you said that) . One did have surgery to repair a hamstring but it was more a 1 season thing. The past injuries both had different varieties. I’m not sure it that’s bad or good but maybe good verses a recurring groin. Oliver missed a couple of games in college over a foot injury.
 
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He is 33! Peppers was at the end when we got him. With the Zaire deal we are no longer the youngest team in the league any longer. Could be a good thing.
Not necessarily.
Gone: Gary, 28; Doubs, 26; Hobbs, 27; Jenkins, 30, R. Walker, 26.
FA Signed: Hargrave, 33; Franklin, 30; Moore, 25; St. Juste, 28.
Open roster spots will be filled with 20-22yr olds so it's possible the overall team age will still be youngest 3 or 5.
 
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He’s about as close to a Kenny Clark 2.0 as you’ll get without spending
$15-$20Mil

Former RD3 and very successful DT selection behind Clark in RD1 from the 2016 class.
 
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