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I liked what little I saw of Savion, he's a guy I'm really intrigued by for year two as well.... Much like Golden I was generally of the opinion that we should be making more of a concerted effort to get him more touches. Last year I'm pretty sure he got like a grand total of ~25 touches all season long
 

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Hobbs was basically a slot corner. With Bullard being better against the run, Hobbs was very expendable, especially after picking up a boundary CB in St. Juste.
 
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I'm so confused by this. How so? He didn't see a ton of snaps, but illustrated excellent abilities with ball in his hands and his blocking skills progressed nicely which was a refreshing sight given his size. Dude was just an oober athlete with the ball in his hands at college, and refined receiver he wasn't.

To me he could easily become a poor man's Cordale Patterson of an offense....that's his ceiling now mind you.
I liked that end around he scored a TD. He’s deceptively quick and also Savion looks to be an immediate solution at KR. Very consistent is what I’d label him. I’m hoping he grows in his role though. Now that Doubs is gone he should see more action.
 

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Savion made that one huge catch. Otherwise not impressed. If he can catch the ball; I'll be happy with him. He didn't run back kickoffs very well imho. Starts too slow
 

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What did he do, I mean the fact the team did as many designed touch plays for him despite such limited snaps honestly should impress anyone. I didn't expect him to be in much at all if honest his first year. Those two things alone were impressive, but I really like his vision and willingness to not just see and take a seam, he HITS the seam. His balance on contact given his size is unique too and to me appears to be translating to the NFL - very limited reps.

He might be the one sophomore that I'm most intrigued to see come the preseason if honest.

So you are talking about his "potential", as you see it. What did he actually do last season that impressed you?


I get people being excited about what he could potentially do, but I didn't see that happen on the field. Amari Rodgers had this same kind of "potential" to be a game changer, but he never translated it onto the field.

I mean as a Packer fan, I am with you. I hope he has a breakout 2nd season. However, if I was a betting man, I would bet on the fact that he won't.

Maybe another disconnect between Gute and MLF. Gute wanted to give MLF a Swiss army knife, but MLF decided to only use the corkscrew and toothpick on it. Let's hope we see more of what Williams has to offer, because it isn't as a wildcat QB or WR, so far.
 

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He didn't run back kickoffs very well imho. Starts too slow

Agree. He was very indecisive with the ball on KR's and rushing. Maybe he will rely on his instincts more in 2026, but when he had the ball in his hands, he seemed to hesitate too often, giving defenders enough time to close in on him.
 
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Savion made that one huge catch. Otherwise not impressed. If he can catch the ball; I'll be happy with him. He didn't run back kickoffs very well imho. Starts too slow
if he can catch the ball? Well that’s not a very high standard! Lol. You must be having Amari Rodgers flashbacks

While Savion was limited. He was 100% catch %. 139% passer rating when the ball went his direction.

His contributions like many Rookies was mostly Teams. The league average KR was 25.9 and Savion as a Rookie had a 25.6 per KR. Now while it’s not setting the world on fire it shows he’s natural and competent. Just for record our own hometown Chimere Dike averaged 25.6 yards and he’s definitely not slow.
 

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if he can catch the ball? Well that’s not a very high standard! Lol. You must be having Amari Rodgers flashbacks

While Savion was limited. He was 100% catch %. 139% passer rating when the ball went his direction.

His contributions like many Rookies was mostly Teams. The league average KR was 25.9 and Savion as a Rookie had a 25.6 per KR. Now while it’s not setting the world on fire it shows he’s natural and competent. Just for record Chimere Dike averaged 25.6 yards and he’s definitely not slow.
For me, the most important part of being a receiver is catching the ball. Trying to make fullbacks out of receivers, while a plus, isn't the important thing. I expect Savion, if he gets open and catches the ball, to be able to rac very well. And indeed, I think he will need to in order to be valuable to the team. imho. I'll like Melton much more if he holds on to the ball better. Really though, I'd rather if he could play corner. They haven't given him many chances at that.
 

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So you are talking about his "potential", as you see it. What did he actually do last season that impressed you?


I get people being excited about what he could potentially do, but I didn't see that happen on the field. Amari Rodgers had this same kind of "potential" to be a game changer, but he never translated it onto the field.

I mean as a Packer fan, I am with you. I hope he has a breakout 2nd season. However, if I was a betting man, I would bet on the fact that he won't.

Maybe another disconnect between Gute and MLF. Gute wanted to give MLF a Swiss army knife, but MLF decided to only use the corkscrew and toothpick on it. Let's hope we see more of what Williams has to offer, because it isn't as a wildcat QB or WR, so far.

Nope, everything I listed from designed plays, end arounds (didn't mention), blocking and when ball was in his hands showed me something.

Sure some of that is perception of future based on his progressions in blocking, intermediate route running and such too....but that is same as with Golden, who even looked lost on some of his earlier reps.
 

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Agree. He was very indecisive with the ball on KR's and rushing. Maybe he will rely on his instincts more in 2026, but when he had the ball in his hands, he seemed to hesitate too often, giving defenders enough time to close in on him.

I think many fall for his strides making him look slower than he actually is in person. If he was as sluggish or indecisive as some say he wouldn't have had the average per return he had.

Would be awesome if he refines that though and flirts with 30 yards per return...if so now we cooking.
 

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I'll like Melton much more if he holds on to the ball better. Really though, I'd rather if he could play corner. They haven't given him many chances at that.

While the Packers resigned Bo, I view him more of a core special teams guy and backup WR. Maybe he will eventually develop into an NFL corner, but I wouldn't count on it.
 

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Nope, everything I listed from designed plays, end arounds (didn't mention), blocking and when ball was in his hands showed me something.

Again, I think we were watching 2 different guys. ;)

For now, I am penciling him in as our next Amari Rodgers/Deguara, I hope I am wrong.
 

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I think many fall for his strides making him look slower than he actually is in person. If he was as sluggish or indecisive as some say he wouldn't have had the average per return he had.

Williams longest return was 36 yards. That tied him with 5 other guys at #61 in the NFL. One of those guys was Bo Melton.

His average KR of 25.6 yds ranked him number 38 in the league and below the league average.

He wasn't even an average KR, he was below average.
 

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My view on Savion from 2025 is the Packers did what they do with all rookies WR's... limited roll.... so what did we do to get him touches in his rookie year? Jet sweeps, KR, maybe a couple wildcat snaps.

Golden didn't get as many looks as he should have either, and he was our #1 pick. Just think how few looks Savion would have gotten if Watson and Reed played 17 games each. I'm with @tynimiller Both Golden and Savion were drafted for bigger rolls in 2026, but needed to get acclimated to the playbook last year, to be ready for bigger roles this year.
 

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If Sean Rhyan was a hole, so was who he replaced. Center play was very much middle of the road by Jenkins and continued with Rhyan...now Jenkins is more balanced, where Rhyan is better at run blocking for sure, but not a savvy in pass pro.
One of the main concerns with Ryhan is that the Packer are also hoping for improvements from Belton, Banks and Morgan. Those are a lot of "ifs" to turn out positive for the O line to gel and be a strength. If the rest of the O line was solid, the Packers could tolerate so-so center play. They don't have that luxary.

Currently Tom is well above average while I doubt the other four are average. They'll need to improve which is cetainly possible but expecting 80% of the line to improve is a tall order.
 

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One of the main concerns with Ryhan is that the Packer are also hoping for improvements from Belton, Banks and Morgan. Those are a lot of "ifs" to turn out positive for the O line to gel and be a strength. If the rest of the O line was solid, the Packers could tolerate so-so center play. They don't have that luxary.

Currently Tom is well above average while I doubt the other four are average. They'll need to improve which is cetainly possible but expecting 80% of the line to improve is a tall order.
Don't disagree with anything other than Tom - he is an elite RT. I'd argue top 5 there in the league right now.
 

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I liked what little I saw of Savion, he's a guy I'm really intrigued by for year two as well.... Much like Golden I was generally of the opinion that we should be making more of a concerted effort to get him more touches. Last year I'm pretty sure he got like a grand total of ~25 touches all season long
Not sure about lack of PT. But if a player cannot get on the field much he is prone to underperform when he DOES get out there. Savion had a key fumble against Carolina. More reps may have prevented that.
 
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DT A’Shawn Robinson is a very good player at an affordable price. Coming off one of his best Pro years. He’s Played 45 of the last 50 games durable player and more above average presence.
His last contract was a 3yr X 22.5mil di about $7.5M average. This is a very durable player in the mold maybe a sliver behind Kenny Clark but less 1/2 the cost and won’t affect our comp tables much if any

Clear upgrade over anyone not named Wyatt. I’d love to have him on a
2yr X $13-15mil type deal
 
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Yeah, I would agree that Tom is elite. I just hope he stays that way coming back from such a serious injury.

Yup, the Packers suffered some major injuries last season to major players. Jenkins is gone, but we need to keep an eye on Parsons, Kraft, Tom, Wyatt and if they resign him, Hadden.
 

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Not sure about lack of PT. But if a player cannot get on the field much he is prone to underperform when he DOES get out there. Savion had a key fumble against Carolina. More reps may have prevented that.

Good point and it crossed my mind as well. There are reasons that players don't see a lot of playing time and yes, being a rookie might be one of them. However, that variable would be thrown out, if the coaches didn't see rookie mistakes as being that players problem. So I know people like to fall back on "oh he is just a 1st/2nd year guy, give him time, look at Davante Adams." I would say that if fans and coaches rely on a Davante Adams like metamorphose from every player, they are fooling themselves.

Does Savion have potential? You bet he does. Will he live up to that potential?
 
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Romeo Doubs gone to the New England Patriots per Schefter and Fowler.

Waiting for contract details.. let’s hope it’s BIG $$$!
 

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Benjamin St. Juste contract details:

2 years, $10M, $3M gtd, $3M signing bonus, salaries $1.3M, $2.8M, $1.5M 3rd day 2027 league year, annual $29,412 per game active roster bonus, $200K annual workout bonus, $250K annual Pro Bowl incentive
 

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Benjamin St. Juste contract details:

2 years, $10M, $3M gtd, $3M signing bonus, salaries $1.3M, $2.8M, $1.5M 3rd day 2027 league year, annual $29,412 per game active roster bonus, $200K annual workout bonus, $250K annual Pro Bowl incentive

I didn't even need to see the breakdown to still wonder how he was so cheap...I get it he FINALLY had that first good year of his career...but three years of experience starting, coming off a higher end year....just seems low.
 

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