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So much of this for me is our collective impatience. Myself included. Not everyone will make the team, but the Packers have 15 players current across the DL. Gary (7th season) Clark (10th) are the only 2 players outside their Rookie deal. That = 13 current players have 1 to 3 seasons of active experience.
Randolph (0 snaps/injured Rookie)
Van Ness 2 seasons
Wooden 2 seasons
Wyatt 3 seasons
Brooks 2 seasons
Cox Jr 2 seasons
Enagbare 3 seasons
Ester 1 season
Mosby (152 snaps career) 2 seasons

*Stackhouse
*Sorrell
*Oliver
*Brinson
*Have not played an NFL snap.

It’s relatively an inexperienced group if we want to grade that. We have 7 players going into that 3rd/4th season. That really where you expect more growth just across most position groups.

Well said and I agree. This was the youngest roster in the NFL last year (Ave age: 24.96 years old) and that was the second year in a row! A lot of that youth were starters. Not every player will blossom, but you would expect some will and THAT is a great thing for a young team.
 
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I was thinking about something that related to the Draft. Drafttek was spot on!! :cool:

It’s looking more and more like the Packers will break protocol and feed him every chance they get. I wouldn’t be surprise if he has triple digit touches. He’s working out Single Wide. He’s lining up in the Slot, he’s being paired In 2 WR sets, he’s in motion, he’s on Returns. As if yesterday reports are he not dropped a Pass his direction, including poorly thrown balls. This kid is special.



McNamath was 23/23 in Camp as of Monday night, including 3/3 50+ We went from near league worst to near best in 1 year.
 
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Stackhouse has been Stout against the Run he sniffed out a couple plays.

Kalen King played with the 2’s and followed up impressive with impressive. A would be sack and a Pick6 INT. He’s making a legit push to be in that CB5-6 area. It’s not surprising I really think he was an overlook on Day3 last year. Kalen King reminds me of another KK Kamren Kinchens, who similarly fell to the bottom of RD3. Here we likely have a legit 4th/5th Rounder there that we snatched near last pick of the draft in RD7. I think King is going make it real difficult to not hold him as our CB5/6
 

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Here we likely have a legit 4th/5th Rounder there that we snatched near last pick of the draft in RD7. I think King is going make it real difficult to not hold him as our CB5/6
Yeah, no kidding - this guy was on a roller coaster for a few years.

He had a very good 2022, and was projected as a possible or even probable Day One for 2024. His game slipped in 23, but hewas still slotted as a probable Day Two in 24; maybe even Round 2... and he wound up just 2 picks away from being Mr. Irrelevant!

This is another example of one of Gutekunst's trademark draft tendencies - take a chance on a guy who had a really poor season, but an excellent season the year before. Looks like it may be paying off.
 
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Yeah, no kidding - this guy was on a roller coaster for a few years.

He had a very good 2022, and was projected as a possible or even probable Day One for 2024. His game slipped in 23, but hewas still slotted as a probable Day Two in 24; maybe even Round 2... and he wound up just 2 picks away from being Mr. Irrelevant!

This is another example of one of Gutekunst's trademark draft tendencies - take a chance on a guy who had a really poor season, but an excellent season the year before. Looks like it may be paying off.
This is what happened with Detroit recently. They just stacked a couple of good drafts with players like Kerby Joseph, Brian Branch, St Brown, Mekifonwu, Jameson Williams, Jonah Jackson etc etc. then they kingpin s couple top picks like Hockenson and Hutchinson and Bam!

Packers have 17 Draft picks in RD1-4 before this latest Draft

2022,2023,2024

—4 RD1 selections
—5 RD2 selections
—4 RD3 selections
—4 RD4 selections

It’s just an area you will eventually hit if you have above average capability drafting, which I’d classify Brian there. Then we’re seeing some Day 3’s chime in like what happened in Detroit last 2 seasons.
Wicks, Evan Williams, Valentine, Doubs, Tom, Ebagbare, Rasheed Walker…
 
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Camp is like watching Paint dry to see the actual color you bought.

The tough thing about “Draft and Develop” is the waiting part. There’s what I’d call a Sweet Spot in all this “being Young” business that some are becoming impatient with (it’s not just our fans trust me) That’s the human part I guess, we all expect to Win Now but the reality is there’s an Ebb and Flow to Roster building. There’s years like 2025 where the Team can basically retain the Bulk of its Key players. The Flow is directly impacted and generated by all these Rookie deals still intact (Packers) OR by having the most expensive contracts on Rookie dollars (Chicago)

Then there’s IDEAL Flow. That’s what I feel like we’re entering now. It’s when you have the above mixed with the bulk of players in years 2-4, where they are not total Green Peas. This is where those 17 players we drafted in RD1-4 collectively shine. Several 2nd year players are popping. Hopper, Morgan, King, Williams, Bullard, Edgerrin, etc. That was a darn good draft and in 2024, we barely saw what some of those guys are about.
I don’t know if you guys can feel the undercurrent, but this year feels different in a really good way.
 
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I don't know if I've ever heard of this before... I've found a number of small articles on this, and spent the last half hour reading them and putting together a picture of how the whole thing works.

Hafley has created a specific role for defensive quality control coach Wendell Davis this season; he is officially designated the "Ball King", and his sole responsibility in this year's training camp is to coach turnovers - how to create them, how to get control of the ball, and what to do when you (or one of your teammates) have created one. He is no longer addressed as "Coach Davis"; he is to be addressed only as "Ball King" (or "BK" if you're in a hurry.)

This is part of the practice every single day, and is considered so important that the daily meeting of the defensive players starts with Davis... er, pardon me, Ball King showing tape of turnovers from the day before (especially fumbles), and turnover opportunities that were missed. Players are coached on how to not only create but to secure a turnover, how to scoop up or cover a ball on the ground (and when to scoop it and when to cover it), and what to do once they have control. Apparently they installed a siren in the meeting room, and when there's a successful turnover on the tape, BK hits a button, the siren goes off, and the players all cheer. :roflmao:

Players are being taught not just how to make individual efforts to force fumbles, but also how the entire defensive unit should react when a turnover occurs - both fumbles and interceptions. When the ball goes over, how to switch instantly from defense to offense (from defender to blocker) in case there is a reasonable opportunity to advance the ball; but also how to use their judgment and make a split-second decision whether to even try to advance the ball, or simply settle for downing it.

Dav.... er, BK.... is the guy leading this parade, but it was Hafley's idea. More and more, I continue to believe that hiring Hafley was one of the best coaching decisions Lafleur has made since he got here. The only downside is, the guy is so damned good that it's a matter of time before teams start throwing head coaching offers at him. Maybe even as soon as this postseason.

I suspect he will not be here long.

The Ball King is defensive quality control coach Wendell Davis. Hafley asked Davis to be the Ball King – he is referred to by no other name in camp, though BK is also acceptable – to emphasize attacking the football. The Ball King starts every defensive meeting because, as Hafley said, “the ball is the most important thing.”



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In other news, it turns out that Marshawn Lloyd has a groin injury, and will be out indefinitely. Technically they're saying day to day, but groin injuries are groin injuries. Very hard to tell. Not an auspicious beginning to what was expected to be a big year for Marshawn.

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Also, Lafleur has been irritated a few times this month by how hard some of the players have been hitting their teammates, and finally snapped on Tuesday when Rasheed Walker threw Kingsley Enagbare to the ground after a play had ended. Enagbare had gotten under Walker and gave Walker all he could handle, and Walker apparently didn't like being beaten.

Lafleur ran out onto the field yelling at Walker, pulled him, and told him to take a lap around the practice field - which came as a shock to Walker, who hadn't been told to run a lap since he was a freshman. A freshman in high school. In fact, Packer beat reporters say this is the first time Lafleur has ever done that.

So off he went on his lap of shame, but what I think the most important thing is what happpened next. The entire #1 O line - Tom, Morgan, Jenkins, and Rhyan - plus Tucker Kraft and Josh Jacobs fell in and joined him. It was Kraft's idea; he just spontaneously said to the other players, "let's go".

Walker said,

“It was good. It was good,” Walker said of having some running partners. “Just made me want to do it more because, at first, I didn’t want to do it. But I saw my teammates running with me, so I was, ‘I’m going to run.’ So, it helped my mood get better seeing my teammates running with me.”

That rocks. Says a lot about the solidarity of this team; time and again, it seems they've got one another's backs at every single turn.

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And... encouraging news for Bo Melton. Rich Bisaccia has his back....

If special teams coordinator Rich Bisaccia gets his way, Bo Melton will be on the team. And Bisaccia doesn't care whether it's as a receiver (as he's been for most of his career) or as a cornerback (where he's practicing now). "He's still Bo Melton," Bisaccia said. "He's fast, he's got a smile on his face, he's got an incredible attitude, no matter what you ask him to do. We think he's going to become an elite special teams player. He was big for us a year ago."

There are a number of indicators that the staff really likes Bo, and are tryin to find ways to keep him around. Switching him to corner was one, and now the special teams coordinator coming out and basically saying straight up that he wants Bo on the squad. It really seems the staff has his back, and want to give him every opportunity.


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In his presser, Lafleur spoke very highly of Barryn Sorrell, saying "He's done a great job; you can get a feel for the character of the guy... he's an A+ in terms of how he approaches the game; he will absolutely reach his ceiling, I think, just because of how he approaches the game, and the time he puts in, and how detailed he is, and you can coach him hard; he takes everything to heart, and I think he's getting better every day."

Sounds like Matt is impressed with his 4th rounder. 1st rounder LVN had better take notice.


The part about Sorrell is the last minute or two. I'm excited about Sorrell; his intelligence, enthusiasm, and positive attitude won me over from the very beginning.

He flew up to Green Bay for the draft, just hoping to hear his name called, but Day 1 and Day 2 went by without a nibble on the line. On Day 3, he was still sitting in the green room watching the TV, and he was the last player in the room.

Everyone else who hadn't been drafted by the end of Day 2 had gone home. But while he was disappointed at the end of Day 2, Barryn was determined to stay until he was drafted, because after all he'd flown all the way up there. He was rewarded with a Disney moment when his name was called by the team that was hosting the draft. The Packers had no idea he was still there (because, what were the odds?), but Goodell had been informed.

When Goodell went to the microphone, he said, "This young man is here today...", and the Packers all assumed he was introducing some important person to officially announce the pick, as often happens. They were shocked when Goodell went on to say, "...and I want to introduce him. Here he is..." and he came walking out of the tunnel.

That's a very high-character move, and said a hell of a lot about him IMO.

This Youtube short is really great... as he walks out of the tunnel, with both walls covered with giant emblems of the 32 teams, and stops at the giant "G" and slams his palms on the G several times in celebration.


You must be logged in to see this image or video!

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And finally... Matthew Golden.

There've been a lot of stories about what an amazing performance he's showing on the field, not just every day but practically every rep, but here's another look at why I think he's got something really special going on - after every snap, he actually asks the DB who was defending him for feedback on what he could have done better....


Golden added that he engages in conversation with the defensive backs after plays, looking for feedback on what they think he might've done better. Sometimes it's part of the smack talk right after a competitive rep, others it's later, off to the side.

This is a veteran-like move, demonstrating Golden’s willingness to be coached by more experienced teammates. Many rookies take lost reps personally rather than viewing them as opportunities to improve.The Packers appear to have found not just an explosive athlete in Golden, but a mature, coachable player who is already preparing himself for a major role in Week One.

Can you imagine Cris Carter, Chad Johnson, or Randy Moss doing this?

Golden appears to be completely dedicated to learning as much as he can about his new job and his responsibilities on every single rep, in every possible way. I heard something on a podcast a couple of days ago that whenever he came back to the sideline, he went over to passing game coordinator Jason Vrable and talked to him, looking like he was asking questions because Vrable was obviously explaining something to him.

This speaks volumes about who this kid is. Every day, I find more reasons to think we hit the jackpot this time. I think we picked the right year to go WR in Round 1. An elite, star-power wide receiver with a blue-collar, lunch bucket approach to his job.

 
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I don't know if I've ever heard of this before... I've found a number of small articles on this, and spent the last half hour reading them and putting together a picture of how the whole thing works.

Hafley has created a specific role for defensive quality control coach Wendell Davis this season; he is officially designated the "Ball King", and his sole responsibility in this year's training camp is to coach turnovers - how to create them, how to get control of the ball, and what to do when you (or one of your teammates) have created one. He is no longer addressed as "Coach Davis"; he is to be addressed only as "Ball King" (or "BK" if you're in a hurry.)

This is part of the practice every single day, and is considered so important that the daily meeting of the defensive players starts with Davis... er, pardon me, Ball King showing tape of turnovers from the day before (especially fumbles), and turnover opportunities that were missed. Players are coached on how to not only create but to secure a turnover, how to scoop up or cover a ball on the ground (and when to scoop it and when to cover it), and what to do once they have control. Apparently they installed a siren in the meeting room, and when there's a successful turnover on the tape, BK hits a button, the siren goes off, and the players all cheer. :roflmao:

Players are being taught not just how to make individual efforts to force fumbles, but also how the entire defensive unit should react when a turnover occurs - both fumbles and interceptions. When the ball goes over, how to switch instantly from defense to offense (from defender to blocker) in case there is a reasonable opportunity to advance the ball; but also how to use their judgment and make a split-second decision whether to even try to advance the ball, or simply settle for downing it.

Dav.... er, BK.... is the guy leading this parade, but it was Hafley's idea. More and more, I continue to believe that hiring Hafley was one of the best coaching decisions Lafleur has made since he got here. The only downside is, the guy is so damned good that it's a matter of time before teams start throwing head coaching offers at him. Maybe even as soon as this postseason.

I suspect he will not be here long.





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In other news, it turns out that Marshawn Lloyd has a groin injury, and will be out indefinitely. Technically they're saying day to day, but groin injuries are groin injuries. Very hard to tell. Not an auspicious beginning to what was expected to be a big year for Marshawn.

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Also, Lafleur has been irritated a few times this month by how hard some of the players have been hitting their teammates, and finally snapped on Tuesday when Rasheed Walker threw Kingsley Enagbare to the ground after a play had ended. Enagbare had gotten under Walker and gave Walker all he could handle, and Walker apparently didn't like being beaten.

Lafleur ran out onto the field yelling at Walker, pulled him, and told him to take a lap around the practice field - which came as a shock to Walker, who hadn't been told to run a lap since he was a freshman. A freshman in high school. In fact, Packer beat reporters say this is the first time Lafleur has ever done that.

So off he went on his lap of shame, but what I think the most important thing is what happpened next. The entire #1 O line - Tom, Morgan, Jenkins, and Rhyan - plus Tucker Kraft and Josh Jacobs fell in and joined him. It was Kraft's idea; he just spontaneously said to the other players, "let's go".

Walker said,



That rocks. Says a lot about the solidarity of this team; time and again, it seems they've got one another's backs at every single turn.

========================

And... encouraging news for Bo Melton. Rich Bisaccia has his back....



There are a number of indicators that the staff really likes Bo, and are tryin to find ways to keep him around. Switching him to corner was one, and now the special teams coordinator coming out and basically saying straight up that he wants Bo on the squad. It really seems the staff has his back, and want to give him every opportunity.


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In his presser, Lafleur spoke very highly of Barryn Sorrell, saying "He's done a great job; you can get a feel for the character of the guy... he's an A+ in terms of how he approaches the game; he will absolutely reach his ceiling, I think, just because of how he approaches the game, and the time he puts in, and how detailed he is, and you can coach him hard; he takes everything to heart, and I think he's getting better every day."

Sounds like Matt is impressed with his 4th rounder. 1st rounder LVN had better take notice.


The part about Sorrell is the last minute or two. I'm excited about Sorrell; his intelligence, enthusiasm, and positive attitude won me over from the very beginning.

He flew up to Green Bay for the draft, just hoping to hear his name called, but Day 1 and Day 2 went by without a nibble on the line. On Day 3, he was still sitting in the green room watching the TV, and he was the last player in the room.

Everyone else who hadn't been drafted by the end of Day 2 had gone home. But while he was disappointed at the end of Day 2, Barryn was determined to stay until he was drafted, because after all he'd flown all the way up there. He was rewarded with a Disney moment when his name was called by the team that was hosting the draft. The Packers had no idea he was still there (because, what were the odds?), but Goodell had been informed.

When Goodell went to the microphone, he said, "This young man is here today...", and the Packers all assumed he was introducing some important person to officially announce the pick, as often happens. They were shocked when Goodell went on to say, "...and I want to introduce him. Here he is..." and he came walking out of the tunnel.

That's a very high-character move, and said a hell of a lot about him IMO.

This Youtube short is really great... as he walks out of the tunnel, with both walls covered with giant emblems of the 32 teams, and stops at the giant "G" and slams his palms on the G several times in celebration.


You must be logged in to see this image or video!

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And finally... Matthew Golden.

There've been a lot of stories about what an amazing performance he's showing on the field, not just every day but practically every rep, but here's another look at why I think he's got something really special going on - after every snap, he actually asks the DB who was defending him for feedback on what he could have done better....




Can you imagine Cris Carter, Chad Johnson, or Randy Moss doing this?

Golden appears to be completely dedicated to learning as much as he can about his new job and his responsibilities on every single rep, in every possible way. I heard something on a podcast a couple of days ago that whenever he came back to the sideline, he went over to passing game coordinator Jason Vrable and talked to him, looking like he was asking questions because Vrable was obviously explaining something to him.

This speaks volumes about who this kid is. Every day, I find more reasons to think we hit the jackpot this time. I think we picked the right year to go WR in Round 1. An elite, star-power wide receiver with a blue-collar, lunch bucket approach to his job.

Wonderful. Just really well written @Thirteen Below.
This Draft was such a Special one for myself. My 3 States of Residence. Wisconsin, Virginia, Texas.
2025 Will be only the 2nd time I’ve spent time in each of those States back to back. This visit will be the best because I'm Bringing my Wife and Daughter with me and visiting the last of my Aunts and Uncles that haven’t passed away. My daughter is a GB fan but she’s never been to WI and never met 2 of her Cousins and their families. I finally have the time to do it right (8 days in town) I’m doing a LaCrosse Hometown visit and giving them a Tour of my Childhood.
Visiting Old Schools I attended, Riding the Mississippi Queen, renting a boat and taking them to an official sandbar for a picnic, watching a Jets Preseason game with my Niece and Nephew (and his 4 Girls), staying at the Hotel I was a Bellman at in the early 1980’s (there is still a lady who I worked with that works there and it’s been over 40 years!).
This weekend and next week is me like a Kid in a candy store. I finally took time to travel while I’m still healthy and motivated and it’s like Chevy Chase Family Vacation
God is Good!
 
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I watched several clips of Golden in camp. He has really developed that first move and has become explosive off it. Much better than what I saw in college. Someone has been tutoring him big time and it could pay off in him being very productive in his first year. To be honest, I wasn't impressed with the pick at the time but now I'm seeing something that could just work out to him being a true #1 before anyone thought possible.

I hope this isn't just good practices and translates well into real time game action.
 
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I watched several clips of Golden in camp. He has really developed that first move and has become explosive off it. Much better than what I saw in college. Someone has been tutoring him big time and it could pay off in him being very productive in his first year. To be honest, I wasn't impressed with the pick at the time but now I'm seeing something that could just work out to him being a true #1 before anyone thought possible.

I hope this isn't just good practices and translates well into real time game action.
I agree. What makes me feel comfortable is how Golden finished in College. He totally surprised and got better as the competition elevated. That’s one of his best qualities is he doesn’t shy away from high echelon competition. It’s like he enjoys it and it brings out the best in him.
 

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A few tidbits from training camp today...

Nate Hobbs tore a meniscus last week, and had surgery over the weekend. Lafleur said he might have been able to play through it, but it's not an optimum way to start the season, so Hobbs and the team mutually decided to get it done now. Possible he'll be back for the opener, but more likely Valentine will start at least the first game or two.

Coming back from injury was Savion Williams, who was a full participant today and mad up for lost time. He got quite a few reps, including (of course) atg least one jet sweep (stopped by Cox, who is said to be having a strong camp), and end-around for a short gain before the other Williams (Evan) got him for a short gain. He also ran some downfield routes, making an athletic circus catch against Bo Melton on the sideline, and reportedly looked good. Sounds like Lafleur is trying a variety of plays for him.

Malik Heath's name came up a lot; he seems to be getting a lot of targets, and is making the most of them.

ESPN said that watching Sorrel Barron, it's hard to believe you're not looking at a veteran player.

A lot of 2-tight end formations today with Kraft and Musgrave on the field together; I know Matt has been looking forward to using them together for 2 years now, and is taking full advantage of having them both healthy and ready to go.

ESPN also reports that Lafleur is very pleased and excited by Jordan Love coming into camp this year with a much more forceful, outspoken presence, taking command in ways that he has not done very much the first couple of years. He's had a more quiet, laidback way of going about his business his first two years, but Lafleur said he's much more of a take-charge guy this year.

Some good 1-1 battles between receivers and DB, with Doubs and Valentine going back and forth, Jayden Reed beating Bullard twice for TDs, and Nixcn looking strong against Golden - got burnt on the first rep, but forced incompletions on the next two.

Devonte Wyatt was in the backfield a number of times, and Nazir Stackhouse was once again a stone wall against the run. Making a good showing for an UDFA.

Cooper and McDuffie were flying around all over the field, with Cooper rocketing into the backfield to stop Jacobs for a loss, and McDuffie shutting down a reverse to Reed. Sounds like some aggressive aned smart play for the LBs.
 
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Great News.

On the D side. I will say that im mostly cautiously optimistic as the D for whatever reason seems to start a few weeks ahead of our Offense. That said I do think that we’re going to see a player or two step up on Defense.l upfront. Right now, It’s between this group so far.. Stackhouse, Sorrell, Van Ness, Cox Jr. Obviously it’s earlier but these guys either finished strong in 2024.. started strong in 2025 or BOTH
 

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A few tidbits from training camp today...

Nate Hobbs tore a meniscus last week, and had surgery over the weekend. Lafleur said he might have been able to play through it, but it's not an optimum way to start the season, so Hobbs and the team mutually decided to get it done now. Possible he'll be back for the opener, but more likely Valentine will start at least the first game or two.

Coming back from injury was Savion Williams, who was a full participant today and mad up for lost time. He got quite a few reps, including (of course) atg least one jet sweep (stopped by Cox, who is said to be having a strong camp), and end-around for a short gain before the other Williams (Evan) got him for a short gain. He also ran some downfield routes, making an athletic circus catch against Bo Melton on the sideline, and reportedly looked good. Sounds like Lafleur is trying a variety of plays for him.

Malik Heath's name came up a lot; he seems to be getting a lot of targets, and is making the most of them.

ESPN said that watching Sorrel Barron, it's hard to believe you're not looking at a veteran player.

A lot of 2-tight end formations today with Kraft and Musgrave on the field together; I know Matt has been looking forward to using them together for 2 years now, and is taking full advantage of having them both healthy and ready to go.

ESPN also reports that Lafleur is very pleased and excited by Jordan Love coming into camp this year with a much more forceful, outspoken presence, taking command in ways that he has not done very much the first couple of years. He's had a more quiet, laidback way of going about his business his first two years, but Lafleur said he's much more of a take-charge guy this year.

Some good 1-1 battles between receivers and DB, with Doubs and Valentine going back and forth, Jayden Reed beating Bullard twice for TDs, and Nixcn looking strong against Golden - got burnt on the first rep, but forced incompletions on the next two.

Devonte Wyatt was in the backfield a number of times, and Nazir Stackhouse was once again a stone wall against the run. Making a good showing for an UDFA.

Cooper and McDuffie were flying around all over the field, with Cooper rocketing into the backfield to stop Jacobs for a loss, and McDuffie shutting down a reverse to Reed. Sounds like some aggressive aned smart play for the LBs.
Good info! Thanks for posting it. I think they were wise getting the surgery for Hobbs. Missing a little practice time now is acceptable but losing practice time all season because of a nagging injury that almost certainly promises to get worse at some point is not using common sense.

It sounds like they're giving Melton every opportunity in the world of making the team at CB. The interesting point of how it could be helpful is that he could actually return kicks and be an extra WR if injuries dictated the need. A guy who can go both ways with a modicum of success isn't a bad thing. The question is, can he hold up with WRs throughout the league.

Glad to hear there's a change in Love's demeanor. A QB who takes charge out there needs to show it. A little swagger never hurts. Now let's hope they've worked on his weaknesses over the off season and he's ready to up his game a notch. If he does, they could be a contender for a Lombardi. That's assuming our DB situation works out well, and we get what seems to be some promise out of guys in the defensive front seven to be a little stouter and more aggressive than last year.

What I'm not hearing, and wish I would, is how much Willis has upped his game. If that happens, he's not only a good backup plan, but he also becomes a candidate to be traded for a healthy pick if it looks like he has the potential to lead a team.
 

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What I'm not hearing, and wish I would, is how much Willis has upped his game. If that happens, he's not only a good backup plan, but he also becomes a candidate to be traded for a healthy pick if it looks like he has the potential to lead a team.

That "healthy pick" would have to be at least a first, or possibly a combination of a 2nd a 4th and a decent player, for me to even want that to happen. Willis proved he is a very capable backup last season and I imagine, as you implied, he is probably even a better one this season.

Off the top of my head, these are the reasons Willis won't be traded, unless it is for an offer to good to be refused:

- Packers have zero proven, capable options at #2 QB right now.

- Packers are playoff level team

- Willis comes with a cost of only $1.4M.

- Willis is only 26 and his development is going up, not down.

- Letting Willis walk away in 2026 as a FA, will bring a big + on the compensatory formula.

Will will be in Green and Gold this season, UNLESS another team offers the Packers a small kings ransom for him.
 

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That "healthy pick" would have to be at least a first, or possibly a combination of a 2nd a 4th and a decent player, for me to even want that to happen. Willis proved he is a very capable backup last season and I imagine, as you implied, he is probably even a better one this season.

Off the top of my head, these are the reasons Willis won't be traded, unless it is for an offer to good to be refused:

- Packers have zero proven, capable options at #2 QB right now.

I kept waiting for the announcement GB was signing Tyler Huntley....a guy in a similar vein to Malik - which would have signaled a bet of mine that within 24 hours Malik was going to be dealt...
 

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I kept waiting for the announcement GB was signing Tyler Huntley....a guy in a similar vein to Malik - which would have signaled a bet of mine that within 24 hours Malik was going to be dealt...

While I don't know a lot about Huntley, I prefer Willis over him. Even if they had an identical skill set, Willis knows the Packers offense and players.

Funny you mention Huntley. My mothers side of the family all live in or around Ohio and are big OSU and Brown fans. I was talking to my cousin the other day about the Browns and just what a " :poop: show" that organization has been. Their whole QB situation over the years is just comical. I think they gave up 3 1st rounders, plus a HUGE contract for Watson and the guy hasn't been very good, but more importantly has constantly been hurt. Then they go out and draft Shedeur, as if that organization needed even more distractions. I am so glad that I am not a Browns fan.
 

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While I don't know a lot about Huntley, I prefer Willis over him. Even if they had an identical skill set, Willis knows the Packers offense and players.

Funny you mention Huntley. My mothers side of the family all live in or around Ohio and are big OSU and Brown fans. I was talking to my cousin the other day about the Browns and just what a " :poop: show" that organization has been. Their whole QB situation over the years is just comical. I think they gave up 3 1st rounders, plus a HUGE contract for Watson and the guy hasn't been very good, but more importantly has constantly been hurt. Then they go out and draft Shedeur, as if that organization needed even more distractions. I am so glad that I am not a Browns fan.

Oh trust me preference between the two - pushing all things aside - for sure is Willis.
 

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A lot of 2-tight end formations today with Kraft and Musgrave on the field together; I know Matt has been looking forward to using them together for 2 years now, and is taking full advantage of having them both healthy and ready to go.
I start to forget which podcasts said what, but one of them (maybe the Press Gazette with Silverstein and others) talked quite a bit about the TE situation. Musgrave has been a disappointment because of injuries and inability to really do the only thing that he is good at....stretch the field. Kraft really could be the best receiving option for the team. They analyzed the other teams such as Chiefs/49ers/Ravens where the TE is the best and featured receiver. Their take was that GB can't really do that because Kraft is more of a traditional inline TE who is not only a good receiving target, but also a really good blocker. It's hard to feature him when you need and want him to block for Jacobs. It all comes back to Musgrave staying healthy and proving that he can be a stretch TE.
 

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I start to forget which podcasts said what, but one of them (maybe the Press Gazette with Silverstein and others) talked quite a bit about the TE situation. Musgrave has been a disappointment because of injuries and inability to really do the only thing that he is good at....stretch the field. Kraft really could be the best receiving option for the team. They analyzed the other teams such as Chiefs/49ers/Ravens where the TE is the best and featured receiver. Their take was that GB can't really do that because Kraft is more of a traditional inline TE who is not only a good receiving target, but also a really good blocker. It's hard to feature him when you need and want him to block for Jacobs. It all comes back to Musgrave staying healthy and proving that he can be a stretch TE.
That's true. Musgrave and Tucker may be listed as playing the same position, but their best attributes are different. Depending on the schemes you use, and how you deploy your TE makes a huge difference in which one of them you want on the field. At this point, I think Tucker is the more valuable of the two and probably will be during this entire season, because we rely a lot on our running game.
 

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Good info! Thanks for posting it.
Thank you! Glad to do it. When I'm working on the computer, sometimes 10 hours aday or more, I always have a tab open in the background with Youtube, listening to either music or podcasts on science, technology, history, etc. - but this time of year, I never seem to get past my playlist of Packer podcasts. :roflmao:

So I figured I may as well share it with people who don't have that kind of time to listen to the computer.

So far today, I've learned that the Packers have finally signed a veteran CB - and it's Corey Ballantine, who left for free agency but was cut today by the Colts.

Things are starting to look dire for former 4th round pick Colby Wooden. He's been losing 2nd team snaps to Nazir Stackhouse , and now they're working Warren Brinson into his spot more and more too. They also started mixing Barron Sorrel into some more complicated pass-rushing packages today, and seem pleased with how he handles it. Lukas Van Ness is sill showing well, registering a sack and a safety on the first snap of one exercise, and then stuffing a run for a loss. Not sure who he beat on those snaps;there was no video of it up yet. But I'll be watching for it.

Competition at linebacker is intense, with Isiah Simmons pushing McDuffie hard for that 3rd LB job, now that Walker is off the field and making a little room for him.

Doubs continues to have a very good camp, and there's a buzz building around Wicks - some people are lightheartedly calling him "Davante Wicks", as apparently he has really stepped up his game. His route running is said to be even smoother than last year, and unlike last year, he is catching everything in sight.

NFL Network called his route-running "spectacular", and someone said that if it weren't for Golden, Wicks would be getting all the WR headlines this year. When he's lined up, players who don't have anything to do gather around to watch him run routes. I'd heard a little bit about this last week, but didn't pay a lot of attention, but several podcasts and writers are starting to talk about it today, so it may become more of a story.

Also, Mercole Hardman and Malik Heath are quietly battling neck and neck for the #6 WR spot. Several sources say that not a single day has gone by without Hardman making at least one big "splash" play. A lot of people are surprised at his consistent playmaking abillity.

And finall, Lafleur will not be calling plays in the pre-season, letting his assistants step up and get some experience at it. This is nothing new; he's been doing this for years now. But hopefully this year one of them will become the "Mathew Golden" of playcallers, and force himself into the position of #1 playcaller for the 2025 season. :roflmao:
 
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Thank you! Glad to do it. When I'm working on the computer, sometimes 10 hours aday or more, I always have a tab open in the background with Youtube, listening to either music or podcasts on science, technology, history, etc. - but this time of year, I never seem to get past my playlist of Packer podcasts. :roflmao:

So I figured I may as well share it with people who don't have that kind of time to listen to the computer.

So far today, I've learned that the Packers have finally signed a veteran CB - and it's Corey Ballantine, who left for free agency but was cut today by the Colts.

Things are starting to look dire for former 4th round pick Colby Wooden. He's been losing 2nd team snaps to Nazir Stackhouse , and now they're working Warren Brinson into his spot more and more too. They also started mixing Barron Sorrel into some more complicated pass-rushing packages today, and seem pleased with how he handles it. Lukas Van Ness is sill showing well, registering a sack and a safety on the first snap of one exercise, and then stuffing a run for a loss. Not sure who he beat on those snaps;there was no video of it up yet. But I'll be watching for it.

Competition at linebacker is intense, with Isiah Simmons pushing McDuffie hard for that 3rd LB job, now that Walker is off the field and making a little room for him.

Doubs continues to have a very good camp, and there's a buzz building around Wicks - some people are lightheartedly calling him "Davante Wicks", as apparently he has really stepped up his game. His route running is said to be even smoother than last year, and unlike last year, he is catching everything in sight.

NFL Network called his route-running "spectacular", and someone said that if it weren't for Golden, Wicks would be getting all the WR headlines this year. When he's lined up, players who don't have anything to do gather around to watch him run routes. I'd heard a little bit about this last week, but didn't pay a lot of attention, but several podcasts and writers are starting to talk about it today, so it may become more of a story.

Also, Mercole Hardman and Malik Heath are quietly battling neck and neck for the #6 WR spot. Several sources say that not a single day has gone by without Hardman making at least one big "splash" play. A lot of people are surprised at his consistent playmaking abillity.

And finall, Lafleur will not be calling plays in the pre-season, letting his assistants step up and get some experience at it. This is nothing new; he's been doing this for years now. But hopefully this year one of them will become the "Mathew Golden" of playcallers, and force himself into the position of #1 playcaller for the 2025 season. :roflmao:
I don’t know if it’s doable or not, but if there were ever a season to go 7 WR’s this might be it.
 

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