2025 Training Camp Thread

[Thirteen Below]

I don’t know if it’s doable or not, but if there were ever a season to go 7 WR’s this might be it.

Well, we're certainly starting with 7 in a way, because for at least a month or two Watson will have a roster spot even if he's not on the 53. So we can easily carry 6 coming out of cam but it's really 6+1, and who knows what happens in the period while we're waiting for Watson? Maybe someone sprains an ankle or something, needs a few weeks off etc.

It gives the team time to see who plays themselves on or off the roster as the season goes on; it's like our wide receiver group gets an artificial exemption that allows WR's to extend their training camp into mid-to late October.

 

[Pkrjones]

I don’t know if it’s doable or not, but if there were ever a season to go 7 WR’s this might be it.

Hardman is outplaying Heath, so far. Highly doubt MLF & Gute will keep both knowing that #5/6 CB Melton is available in emergency. Too many talented, young guys fighting for a spot, 7 WR's is too many, imho.

 

[gopkrs]

Hardman is outplaying Heath, so far. Highly doubt MLF & Gute will keep both knowing that #5/6 CB Melton is available in emergency. Too many talented, young guys fighting for a spot, 7 WR's is too many, imho.

You are actually watching all these practices?

 

[Pkrjones]

You are actually watching all these practices?

Nope, but I did watch Family Night & keeping up with daily practice updates.
8/06: "... then downfield shot to Hardman, who makes nice shoetop grab." - Mike Spofford. NO mention of Heath.
8/05: *A Willis-to-Hardman double move went for a 15-yard TD for the 2s in 2-minute. NO mention of Heath.

 

[tynimiller]

Quite the contrary from many attending practices - bringing up Heath much more than Hardman.

 

[OldSchool101]

Quite the contrary from many attending practices - bringing up Heath much more than Hardman.

Actually I’m getting stories about both. Which is why I referenced keeping 7, it’s really going to be brutal as far as Roster cuts at WR.

Hardman got a faster start out of the gate and he’s been very consistent. Although he’s only a 2nd Team PR and Reserve KR, which is concerning to me as that’s his most sure pathway onto this roster imo.
Heath has been stringing some really good practices together recently. Matt was right, the increased level of talent is forcing Receivers to go all out or get left in the dust.

I’m also hearing that Wicks is catching everything in sight. Now Doubs is tearing it up. Romeo supposedly makes a great play or 2 every Day.

The WR room looks so good that even our former WR (Melton) is stealing passes from the Offense (INT). Bo got one INT today, plus a PD.

 

[gopkrs]

Nope, but I did watch Family Night & keeping up with daily practice updates.
8/06: "... then downfield shot to Hardman, who makes nice shoetop grab." - Mike Spofford. NO mention of Heath.
8/05: *A Willis-to-Hardman double move went for a 15-yard TD for the 2s in 2-minute. NO mention of Heath.

I've heard that Heath has been making very good catches. Surprised you haven't heard anything. I've heard Hardman is doing well too. I like that you let us know what you hear about the practices though. It gets tough for some of these players who have good skills but are just trying to make the team. I've not been too pleased from the little I have heard about Morgan. This year and last. He can't win the starting job at guard and VanNess pushes him into the backfield. I just have a feeling it's gonna be or should be Belton at 2nd string L tackle.

 

[Pkrjones]

I've heard that Heath has been making very good catches. Surprised you haven't heard anything. I've heard Hardman is doing well too. I like that you let us know what you hear about the practices though. It gets tough for some of these players who have good skills but are just trying to make the team. I've not been too pleased from the little I have heard about Morgan. This year and last. He can't win the starting job at guard and VanNess pushes him into the backfield. I just have a feeling it's gonna be or should be Belton at 2nd string L tackle.

I'm hoping that LVN manhandling Morgan is much more a positive reflection on LVN than a negative on Morgan?

Glover just went onto IR for a shoulder injury so even more important that Morgan be a game-ready-capable swing G/T this year.

 

[OldSchool101]

I've heard that Heath has been making very good catches. Surprised you haven't heard anything. I've heard Hardman is doing well too. I like that you let us know what you hear about the practices though. It gets tough for some of these players who have good skills but are just trying to make the team. I've not been too pleased from the little I have heard about Morgan. This year and last. He can't win the starting job at guard and VanNess pushes him into the backfield. I just have a feeling it's gonna be or should be Belton at 2nd string L tackle.

I think Jordan Morgan is in a pickle. He missed the entire 2024 season. Then the Packers went out and signed Banks from 49ers for big $$. However with Myers leaving there’s no hole because Jenkins plugged it. So Morgan has to come in as a 1st year starter and beat out Sean Ryan at RG. So naturally what does our staff do? Tries to give Morgan a mixture of both. Now Morgan was never supposed to be an immediate answer at Tackle according to most of what I’ve read about him. His best immediate contribution was at as a really good Guard if you wanted a more immediate return on investment. That’s not to imply he can’t play Tackle, but projections were more mixed at Tackle, especially if he started there out of the gate.

For myself the contemplation (and it’s a good one) is do we pull a good 70 PFF (69.4%) graded Pass blocker (59%) graded Run Blocker in Rhyan who is likely entering his prime as a 3rd Year starter and yank him for a 1st year starter?

 

[Thirteen Below]

Heath has been stringing some really good practices together recently. Matt was right, the increased level of talent is forcing Receivers to go all out or get left in the dust.

I heard one podcaster who attends practices say today something like, "some of these passes have to be put so far out of reach so the defender can't make a play on it, you think there's no chance Malik can catch it, but then he hauls it in like he's got bushel baskets for hands." I remember thinking that about a pass he caught on Family Night... it looked impossible, but he stretched his arms out like he was Plastic Man, and simply snatched it out of the air. I thought to myself "it's like he caught it with a bucket."

I'm hoping that LVN manhandling Morgan is much more a positive reflection on LVN than a negative on Morgan?

That's a reasonable take on it, and I was thinking the same thing. Especially in light of the fact that Lukas has finally been playing like a 13th overall edge rusher every day, against just about everyone as far as I can tell.

But then again, if you're going to be an NFL left tackle, you need to be able to handle a straight-up bull rush. It's not like it was Mark Gastenau. You need to at least put up a fight; at least slow him down.


By the way, if anyone's interested, here is a link to the preliminary depth chart....

Green Bay Packers 2025 NFL Depth Chart - ESPN

Check out the 2025 Green Bay Packers NFL depth chart on ESPN. Includes full details on starters, second, third and fourth tier Packers players.

www.espn.com

 

[Voyageur]

I heard one podcaster who attends practices say today something like, "some of these passes have to be put so far out of reach so the defender can't make a play on it, you think there's no chance Malik can catch it, but then he hauls it in like he's got bushel baskets for hands." I remember thinking that about a pass he caught on Family Night... it looked impossible, but he stretched his arms out like he was Plastic Man, and simply snatched it out of the air. I thought to myself "it's like he caught it with a bucket."



That's a reasonable take on it, and I was thinking the same thing. Especially in light of the fact that Lukas has finally been playing like a 13th overall edge rusher every day, against just about everyone as far as I can tell.

But then again, if you're going to be an NFL left tackle, you need to be able to handle a straight-up bull rush. It's not like it was Mark Gastenau. You need to at least put up a fight; at least slow him down.


By the way, if anyone's interested, here is a link to the preliminary depth chart....

Green Bay Packers 2025 NFL Depth Chart - ESPN

Check out the 2025 Green Bay Packers NFL depth chart on ESPN. Includes full details on starters, second, third and fourth tier Packers players.

www.espn.com

As I look at the projected depth chart, and the players who are shown as out, or questionable for the first preseason game, it's a little scary because you can see the true lack of depth we have out there in various positions, but particularly on the offensive line.

For some who are vying for a backup role, this first preseason game could be a real opportunity to show exactly what they're capable of. Players like Heath and Melton come to mind. Both will get their opportunities to show what they have and it's going to go a long way towards deciding if they will be part of the 53-man roster moving forward. The same applies to Welch and Brooks, who are essentially battling to be part of the mix at the second level.

We can usually look at preseason games and consider them somewhat meaningless, but this time around there are so many battles to make this roster at the lower end that it's going to create some intense play from more marginal players than I've seen for quite some years.

 

[tynimiller]

Actually I’m getting stories about both. Which is why I referenced keeping 7, it’s really going to be brutal as far as Roster cuts at WR.

Hardman got a faster start out of the gate and he’s been very consistent. Although he’s only a 2nd Team PR and Reserve KR, which is concerning to me as that’s his most sure pathway onto this roster imo.
Heath has been stringing some really good practices together recently. Matt was right, the increased level of talent is forcing Receivers to go all out or get left in the dust.

I’m also hearing that Wicks is catching everything in sight. Now Doubs is tearing it up. Romeo supposedly makes a great play or 2 every Day.

The WR room looks so good that even our former WR (Melton) is stealing passes from the Offense (INT). Bo got one INT today, plus a PD.

For sure, good question might be what is more likely - we keep 7 on our 53 or we trade a WR before we have to get to 53?

If I was another team that has a few injuries that would call Gute about Heath. Dude straight produced in college, has had clutch catches in the NFL and continues to grow - "Gute, I'll give you a conditional 7th for him, if he puts up 500 yards for us a 6th and if he breaks 1,000 a 5th." I love Heath, but in truth if you have any plans of resigning Doubs or Watson - it makes sense to flip him into immediate 2026 draft capital even if it is just a 6th or 7th IMO.

Not to mention we do have a WR quietly showing growth that is of almost identical build (but more athleticism) to Heath that we can still stash on a PS and let grow into that depth piece for 2026 - Cornelius Johnson...both 6'2' 212 guys out of college...if Cornelius proves more this practice season, he makes Heath a likely low tier trade piece for sure.

 

[tynimiller]

I think Jordan Morgan is in a pickle. He missed the entire 2024 season. Then the Packers went out and signed Banks from 49ers for big $$. However with Myers leaving there’s no hole because Jenkins plugged it. So Morgan has to come in as a 1st year player and beat out Sean Ryan at RG. So naturally what does our staff do? Tries to give Morgan a mixture of both. Now Morgan was never supposed to be an immediate answer at Tackle according to most of what I’ve read about him. His best immediate contribution was at Guard. The Dilemma is do we pull a good 70 PFF (69.4%) graded Pass blocker (59%)C-grade Run Blocker in Rhyan? Probably let him battle for either is a good bet.

He didn't miss the entire 2024 season? He was a split starter at RG out the gate week 1 with Rhyan. Got hurt and missed weeks 3-5 then came back to splitting time despite not being healthy weeks 6-8 and then started and played the entire game at LG in week 9 before they realized his injury was too much and he was shut down for the year.

Just clarifying for others reading, I suspect you just forgot and/or meant missed a large part of instead of the whole thing.

 

[OldSchool101]

He didn't miss the entire 2024 season? He was a split starter at RG out the gate week 1 with Rhyan. Got hurt and missed weeks 3-5 then came back to splitting time despite not being healthy weeks 6-8 and then started and played the entire game at LG in week 9 before they realized his injury was too much and he was shut down for the year.

Just clarifying for others reading, I suspect you just forgot and/or meant missed a large part of instead of the whole thing.

Thank you for that Tyni. I remembered he started 1 game early in, but I forgot Morgan did play more than I thought, so I stand corrected. This brings me to another point I’ll explain separately.

 

[OldSchool101]

I’m looking closer at what to do with Morgan vs Rhyan. It’s not at all that I believe Jordan can’t play at a high level because at Guard he’s projected to be really great.

As another option you’ve got Rhyan, who actually is still relatively raw as a Starter career wise. If we recall, going back to 2022, Sean had a rough start and because of it didn’t get 1 snap in as a Rookie. In 2023 he gets the more usual work load of a Rookie (168 snaps) similar to Morgan last year. Then last year Sean actually battled and plays nearly 1000 snaps at RG. Sean wasn’t spectacular, but he played good and graded just over average at RG. Yet he did that as a 1st year starter so he likely has room to grow
Sean has equivalent <20 games under his pads as a starter experience wise. He’s just getting warmed up imo. I feel bad he got a late start, but I’m pleased he bounced back.

Morgan has a couple 2-3 games worth of experience, but has likely better medium-long term upside. Then you’d really like to find out what you have in Morgan at LT in case of need, but he could provide more immediate return if you play him at RG, but it’s not like there’s great need at RG either. Moreso you just like to get your 5 best players out there.

It’s a good position to be in to potentially have 3 guys who can start at Guard in case someone is nicked up.

 

[tynimiller]

I’m looking closer at what to do with Morgan vs Rhyan. It’s not at all that I believe Jordan can’t play at a high level because at Guard he’s projected to be really great.

As another option you’ve got Rhyan, who actually is still relatively raw as a Starter career wise. If we recall, going back to 2022, Sean had a rough start and because of it didn’t get 1 snap in as a Rookie. In 2023 he gets the more usual work load of a Rookie (168 snaps) similar to Morgan last year. Then last year Sean actually battled and plays nearly 1000 snaps at RG. Sean wasn’t spectacular, but he played good and graded just over average at RG. Yet he did that as a 1st year starter so he likely has room to grow
Sean has equivalent <20 games under his pads as a starter experience wise. He’s just getting warmed up imo. I feel bad he got a late start, but I’m pleased he bounced back.

Morgan has a couple 2-3 games worth of experience, but has likely better medium-long term upside. Then you’d really like to find out what you have in Morgan at LT in case of need, but he could provide more immediate return if you play him at RG, but it’s not like there’s great need at RG either. Moreso you just like to get your 5 best players out there.

It’s a good position to be in to potentially have 3 guys who can start at Guard in case someone is nicked up.

I think Jenkins dictates Sean's future more than Sean does. It was clear with having to split game snaps with Morgan week 1 he isn't the better option likely there BUT he is a solid enough guard, BUT I still think Gute and Co have an option written on their boards where Jenkins is in his final year - Rhyan gets a Lucas Patrick type deal offered him (actually slightly more) and is given chance to really be our 2026 center (he is our #2 right now).

It's actually why with all the Rasheed Walker talks and rumors even of moving him, one could argue it is a more logical move to trade Jenkins, slide Rhyan inside and you in essence still don't expose the edges of the line at all to risk of handling increased responsibilities.

 

[El Guapo]

...and is given chance to really be our 2026 center (he is our #2 right now).

I just looked at the preliminary depth chart and it shows Monk as the backup center, which is what I thought. Why do you think that Rhyan would be the backup now? If anything, he is the emergency third center since the other two camp bodies apparently stunk up Family Night with terrible snaps.

 

[tynimiller]

I just looked at the preliminary depth chart and it shows Monk as the backup center, which is what I thought. Why do you think that Rhyan would be the backup now? If anything, he is the emergency third center since the other two camp bodies apparently stunk up Family Night with terrible snaps.

We all know depth charts are listing names of the entire roster. You never saw in the past Jenkins listed as the second center on depth charts, but we all knew he was just that.

This is last year:

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Just like while Glover is listed as the RG2 on the first depth chart for this year (2025) - everyone in Green Bay and beyond knows Morgan goes in before him there.

 

[Pkrjones]

We all know depth charts are listing names of the entire roster. You never saw in the past Jenkins listed as the second center on depth charts, but we all knew he was just that.

This is last year:

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Just like while Glover is listed as the RG2 on the first depth chart for this year (2025) - everyone in Green Bay and beyond knows Morgan goes in before him there.

Glover is on IR (as of 8/06) with a shoulder injury. Unless a major change during preseason games or injury I think Morgan is to backup RG/LG/LT swing man, with Rhyan being backup OC should Jenkins be unavailable.

 

[tynimiller]

Glover is on IR (as of 8/06) with a shoulder injury. Unless a major change during preseason games or injury I think Morgan is to backup RG/LG/LT swing man, with Rhyan being backup OC should Jenkins be unavailable.

I think there is a world where Belton becomes the swing T, but I 100% agree with their seeming tactic right now letting him focus on one Tackle position primarily and it being RT, he played LT for years so learning the footwork and hand nuances of the other side is a good thing.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Hardman is outplaying Heath, so far. Highly doubt MLF & Gute will keep both knowing that #5/6 CB Melton is available in emergency. Too many talented, young guys fighting for a spot, 7 WR's is too many, imho.

Valid point on Melton. If he makes the roster as a DB he is your emergency WR as well. As always, many of those last depth spots will probably be determined by not only potential talent at their position, but also by what they can contribute to the team on special teams. Melton is an excellent special teams player, so that makes him even more valuable to the team.

I also agree that Heath's main competition for the final WR spot might be with Hardman. There again, Hardman can contribute as a return man, so that helps his cause.

 

[gopkrs]

I think there is a world where Belton becomes the swing T, but I 100% agree with their seeming tactic right now letting him focus on one Tackle position primarily and it being RT, he played LT for years so learning the footwork and hand nuances of the other side is a good thing.

I am not so sure. I think he is the next L tackle. Why get him discombobulated? And why do the same with Morgan when he is having problems at each position?

 

[tynimiller]

I am not so sure. I think he is the next L tackle. Why get him discombobulated? And why do the same with Morgan when he is having problems at each position?

Morgan hasn't struggled at guard and is why he was slated till he messed his shoulder up as the starting RG last year.

I don't disagree with Belton at LT, but I get the sense the team really wants to exhaust Morgan's ability to show whether or not he can be the LT of the future or not. Rasheed buys them the ability to "play" with this for sure more than otherwise.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think many of the other 31 teams will be keeping an eye on the waiver wire when it comes to Packer cuts. This is a deeply talented roster and that goes beyond the 53. Gute is going to have some tough decisions come final cutdowns. Getting guys that he really likes to the Practice Squad might be more difficult than in years past.

I think he will gamble at QB again, and cut all of them but Love and Willis.

Probably will only keep 3 RB's and hope to get his 4th or 5th fav. on the PS.

WR, will probably keep 6, but hope for the best on getting 7 and 8 to PS.

It won't stop there though, since most of the practice squad players can be poached by another team.

These 3 preseason games are going to be most important to all those bubble guys. I expect many of them will probably end up on another teams roster come September.

 

[El Guapo]

We all know depth charts are listing names of the entire roster.

That's fair about depth charts. Do you feel that the Packers are that low on Monk that he's behind Rhyan at center?