2021 Dantés Draft Thread

[Dantés]

Here's another guy whose total profile seems to project to lots of NFL success to me: Oregon's Jevon Holland.

Holland started for the Ducks as a true freshman in 2018 at safety. He had 5 interceptions and 6 PBU's that year (he was 18).

He played mostly slot corner in 2019: 4 more picks (one for a TD), 4 PBU, 4.5 TFL, and 16 punt returns for 244 yards (15.25 avg).

He opted out of the PAC12's sorry excuse for a 2020 season (a totally botched operation-- they should have been playing the entire season all along; Covid-19 is not a threat to college athletes and they knew it at the time).

He just recently had a pro day. Below are his numbers; the percentiles listed are among all DB's, as he isn't necessarily a safety or corner exclusively.

6'0" (50th)
207 lbs (73rd)
35.5" vert (47th)
126" broad (80th)
4.46 forty (74th)
4.14 shuttle (60th)
No three cone

So he tested as an above average athlete at an above average size, which when put together would make him a great athlete, but not elite. This is reflected in his 9.46 Relative Athletic Score.

So summary:

• Broke out in the PAC 12 as an 18 year old true freshman
• Had tons of ball production (9 picks; 9-11 PBU depending on source)
• Has excelled in multiple spots in the Oregon secondary
• Offers ST ability (plus PR success is usually a good bellwether for athleticism)
• Possesses high end athletic traits
• Possesses size/strength to handle action near LOS

Holland would be a super valuable piece in any secondary because of how versatile he is. He could play a true safety role and allow Savage to rove, or he could cover in the slot, especially against big slots or tight ends, or he could be your dime linebacker. Basically anything you want him to do other than outside corner, he projects to the role.

I have no idea where he will go. Most seem to think day 2. His profile says 1st round to me, but without a 2020 season it's hard to know. But I'd love to see him on the Packers.

In a lot of ways, he's similar to Damarious Randall, but I think he's better. And hopefully he's not a total loser/idiot. And hopefully he wouldn't be played out of position.

 

[tynimiller]

Holland is a 2nd round grade for me and Pack fans could appreciate the pick if they heard his name called.

 

[Dantés]

With TE majorly being a developmental position, they may want to get someone behind Lewis at some point to grow into that Y, blocking role.

Some of the guys who at least have the frame to do it in this class:

• Tony Poljan, UVA: 6'7" 265, 4.83 forty, 34" vert
• Dylan Soehner, IAST: 6'7" 268, 4.78 forty, 31" vert
• Luke Farrell, OSU: 6'6" 251, 4.79 forty, 37" vert
• John Bates, BSU: 6'5" 250, 4.80 forty, 32" vert

 

[Dantés]

Holland is a 2nd round grade for me and Pack fans could appreciate the pick if they heard his name called.

Something I've said repeatedly that I was mistaken about-- the Rams last year didn't play Johnson, Rapp, and Fuller together at safety the majority of the time like I thought.

The way their snap counts were listed on PFR confused me. But Rapp was the guy until he got hurt, and then Fuller started playing a ton.

The total snap counts of all of their DB's is almost exactly 5X their total snap counts-- meaning they played a ton of nickel.

So if the Packers are going to play a lot like the Rams, personnel wise, then Holland would push Sullivan off the field, which would not be a bad thing necessarily.

 

[Dantés]

Here's my late round pick at RB to play ST and fill out the depth chart:

Kene Nwangwu, Iowa State

6'0" 212#
4.29 forty
37" vert
125" broad
4.15 shuttle
6.75 3 cone

92 career kick returns for 2470 yards (26.8 avg). If he can cover kicks as well as return them, he could be a big help to the back of a roster.

 

[tynimiller]

With TE majorly being a developmental position, they may want to get someone behind Lewis at some point to grow into that Y, blocking role.

Some of the guys who at least have the frame to do it in this class:

• Tony Poljan, UVA: 6'7" 265, 4.83 forty, 34" vert
• Dylan Soehner, IAST: 6'7" 268, 4.78 forty, 31" vert
• Luke Farrell, OSU: 6'6" 251, 4.79 forty, 37" vert
• John Bates, BSU: 6'5" 250, 4.80 forty, 32" vert

I love Poljan getting to apprentice behind Marcedes, as I see him very much in the same vein!!!

 

[Dantés]

With almost all the testing done, I wanted to put together a list of offensive linemen that qualify according to Packer agility thresholds.

I don't know if Gutekunst is still committed to these, but they've served the team really well. Basically, they've looked for OL, especially high in the draft, who have shuttles in the 4.7's or better and three cone in the 7.7's or better.

I'm dividing the list into tackles (players who played tackle and have 33+" arms) and interior offensive line (either college G/C or OT's who lack tackle length). It's entirely possible that some of the "tackles" fit better inside.

So below are qualifying prospects. The first number is their arm length (for tackles), the second is their shuttle time, the third is their 3 cone, and their fourth is their grade (via Zierlein).

Tackles:

• T. Jenkins, Ok. State: 33.5"; 4.66; 7.72; 6.42
• S. Forsythe, Florida: 34.38"; 4.65; 7.47; 6.27
• S. Cosmi, Texas: 33"; 4.39; 7.35; 6.26
• S. Brown, N. Iowa: 35"; 4.44; 7.03; 6.25
• D. Radunz, NDSU: 33.28"; 4.53; 7.27; 6.25
• W. Little, Stanford: 33.75"; 4.58; 7.43; 6.20
• J. Moore, W. Michigan: 33.38"; 6.67; 7.77; 6.19
• J. Ball, Marshall: 35"; 4.67; 7.75; 6.16
• T. Doyle, Mia. Ohio: 35"; 4.61; 7.57; 5.93
• D. Moore, Texas AM: 34.25"; 4.67; 7.56; 5.86
• C. Herring, BYU: 33.75"; 4.46; 7.65; 5.84
• F. Sarrell, Stanford: 33.38"; 4.65; 7.61; 5.43

Interior:

• A. Vera-Tucker, G/T, USC: 4.61; 7.65; 6.43
• Q. Meinerz, C/G, Wisc. Whitewater: 4.47; 7.33; 6.31
• L. Eichenberg, G.T, Notre Dame: 4.58; 7.53; 6.27
• C. Humphrey, C/G, Oklahoma: 4.46; 7.54; 6.26
• B. Christensen, G/T, BYU: 4.46; 7.33; 6.19
• J. Hocker, G, Texas AM: 4.67; 7.65; 6.10
• B. Jaimes, G/T, Nebraska: 4.51; 7.51; 5.98
• D. Dalman, C, Stanford: 4.52; 7.33; 5.88
• W. Fries, G, Penn State: 4.53; 7.77; 5.82
• J. Morrissey, Pittsburgh: 4.46; 7.48; 5.50

Notables Missing a Data Point:

• R. Slater, OL, Northwestern: No Shuttle
• C. Darrisaw, OT, Va. Tech: No Testing
• L. ****erson, C/G, Alabama: No Testing
• A. Leatherwood, T/G, Alabama: No Agilities
• D. Brown, G, Alabama: No Agilities
• W. Davis, G, Ohio State: No Agilities
• J. Myers, C, Ohio State: No Testing
• J. Carman, G/T, Clemson: No Testing
• K. Green, G/C, Illinois: No Agilities
• B. Cleveland, G, Georgia: No Agilities
• T. Smith, G, Florida State: No Shuttle
• M. Menet, C, Penn State: No Testing

Notables Disqualified:

• P. Sewell, T, Oregon: 7.80 3 Cone
• A. Banks, G, Notre Dame: 4.89 Shuttle
• J. Mayfield, G/T, Michigan: 4.91 Shuttle; 7.86 3 Cone
• D. Moore, G, Grambling: 4.87 Shuttle; 8.01 3 Cone
• J. Hudson, T, Cincinnati: 8.05 3 Cone
• R. Newman, T/G, Mississippi: 7.91 3 Cone

***

There you have it.

On the guys missing data points, I have to think that Rashawn Slater and Trey Smith would have qualified easily (Slater's 3C was 7.48, and Smith's was 7.43). But I am skeptical of most of the others. It's becoming more and more common that agents will advise prospects not to test if they know that the results won't be good.

 

[GleefulGary]

Punt returners are much more valuable than kick returners with the new rules.

 

[Dantés]

Punt returners are much more valuable than kick returners with the new rules.

For general consumption:

Avery Williams, CB, Boise State:

82 career punt returns for 948 yards for 6 touchdowns (11.6 Yd Avg).

38 career kick returns for 1,042 yards for 3 touchdowns (27.4 Yd Avg).

Pro Day:

5'8" 187#
34" vert
121" broad
4.41 forty
4.02 shuttle
6.88 3 cone

What I hear is that he's not considered a prospect at corner, but he will be drafted for return ability and then converted into maybe a gadget offensive weapon.

He could take that Tavon Austin/Tyler Ervin role and give ST a big jolt.

He combines speed and acceleration with contact balance and vision.

 

[tynimiller]

For general consumption:

Avery Williams, CB, Boise State:

82 career punt returns for 948 yards for 6 touchdowns (11.6 Yd Avg).

38 career kick returns for 1,042 yards for 3 touchdowns (27.4 Yd Avg).

Pro Day:

5'8" 187#
34" vert
121" broad
4.41 forty
4.02 shuttle
6.88 3 cone

What I hear is that he's not considered a prospect at corner, but he will be drafted for return ability and then converted into maybe a gadget offensive weapon.

He could take that Tavon Austin/Tyler Ervin role and give ST a big jolt.

He combines speed and acceleration with contact balance and vision.

Not many names I haven't at least heard or seen their name, full admittance you made me do a deep dive. I'm mixed and want to watch more tape that I can find...does he get drafted or is he one of those that if he does it is 7th round to hopefully just get control of him for certain instead of the UDFA battle for a prospect.

I would appreciate a pick like him especially if we get a high draftee CB..I say that because if you have a more cemented CB room, it makes throwing a CB at the end that is a special teamer easier.

I don't dislike what I'm seeing out of him.

 

[Dantés]

Not many names I haven't at least heard or seen their name, full admittance you made me do a deep dive. I'm mixed and want to watch more tape that I can find...does he get drafted or is he one of those that if he does it is 7th round to hopefully just get control of him for certain instead of the UDFA battle for a prospect.

I would appreciate a pick like him especially if we get a high draftee CB..I say that because if you have a more cemented CB room, it makes throwing a CB at the end that is a special teamer easier.

I don't dislike what I'm seeing out of him.

I think he gets drafted.

But from what I've heard, he would not be a corner in the NFL-- he'd probably end up listed at WR or RB, but what he'd be in reality is a ST weapon and offensive gadget.

 

[GleefulGary]

I don’t care what he does, he gets a roster spot and a draft pick for being insane on special teams.

Not just the 9 returns for TD’s, but he’s blocked 5 kicks in his career. F-I-V-E! That’s almost as many mocks as Tyni puts out weekly! Just an insane number.

 

[Dantés]

Looking at past Packer draft tendencies at corner, I wanted to try and identify some guys who may fit their "type."

Since Gutekunst joined the front office, the Packers have drafted 8 cornerbacks.

Quentin Rollins is the big outlier-- he was not an athlete.

Apart from him, they have targeted guys in the mid 4.5's at the slowest, and with 3 cones under 7 seconds. Most of the guys they drafted had RAS of 8.0+.

So if we're thinking on that criteria, here are some of the notable names who "qualify":

• Greg Newsome, Northwestern
• Robert Rochell, Cen. Arkansas
• Paulson Adebo, Stanford
• Benjamin St. Juste, Minnesota

A whole host of the top guys are missing data (mostly 3 cone times):

• Patrick Surtain, Alabama
• Jaycee Horn, South Carolina
• Caleb Farley, Va. Tech
• Tyson Campbell, Georgia
• Eric Stokes, Georgia
• Kelvin Jospeh, Kentucky

And a few notables are "disqualified" (by which I mean they don't fit the pattern, not that they won't/shouldn't be drafted):

• Aaron Robinson, UCF: 7.02 3C
• Ifeatu Melifonwu, Syracuse: 7.01 3C
• Eljiah Molden, Washington: 4.62 forty
• Asante Samuel Jr, Florida State: 6.42 RAS

 

[tynimiller]

"What I had previously worked on is still intact. It was great news. I’m actually excited about this.”

That is pulled from a recent story, VERY GREAT read on Farley here: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ams-will-see-my-back-surgery-is-not-an-issue/

That is a massive red flag that Farley let slip, that this isn't the first "back issue".

Honestly, if he slipped to #20 or so and this was the only red flag issue, the gamble while massive to trade up for him would be one I'd be willing to take......as it sits now I'll move up in the second maybe for him, but that is a TON of draft equity and money to dump into a guy with injury issues.....reminds me way too much of a defensive lineman drafted by us not terribly long ago.

 

[tynimiller]

Looking at past Packer draft tendencies at corner, I wanted to try and identify some guys who may fit their "type."

Since Gutekunst joined the front office, the Packers have drafted 8 cornerbacks.

Quentin Rollins is the big outlier-- he was not an athlete.

Apart from him, they have targeted guys in the mid 4.5's at the slowest, and with 3 cones under 7 seconds. Most of the guys they drafted had RAS of 8.0+.

So if we're thinking on that criteria, here are some of the notable names who "qualify":

• Greg Newsome, Northwestern
• Robert Rochell, Cen. Arkansas
• Paulson Adebo, Stanford
• Benjamin St. Juste, Minnesota

A whole host of the top guys are missing data (mostly 3 cone times):

• Patrick Surtain, Alabama
• Jaycee Horn, South Carolina
• Caleb Farley, Va. Tech
• Tyson Campbell, Georgia
• Eric Stokes, Georgia
• Kelvin Jospeh, Kentucky

And a few notables are "disqualified" (by which I mean they don't fit the pattern, not that they won't/shouldn't be drafted):

• Aaron Robinson, UCF: 7.02 3C
• Ifeatu Melifonwu, Syracuse: 7.01 3C
• Eljiah Molden, Washington: 4.62 forty
• Asante Samuel Jr, Florida State: 6.42 RAS

Love it and have a ton of notables similar, and is why from the get go I had Newsome, Rochell and Adebo mocking to us and still do often. I think Newsome is a Top3 CB now with Farley's back issues out there.

I could see Rochell being coveted because I think he is a very versatile player that can play safety and or lined up in man in the slot. Adebo is a guy I'd love to see us get, but you and many know that.

 

[tynimiller]

Just since 3-cone was mentioned....did you see what Garret Wallow from TCU (Linebacker) put up number wise on it? 6.87....dear lord that is elite for his position.

 

[Dantés]

Just since 3-cone was mentioned....did you see what Garret Wallow from TCU (Linebacker) put up number wise on it? 6.87....dear lord that is elite for his position.

What is his size?

 

[Dantés]

Love it and have a ton of notables similar, and is why from the get go I had Newsome, Rochell and Adebo mocking to us and still do often. I think Newsome is a Top3 CB now with Farley's back issues out there.

I could see Rochell being coveted because I think he is a very versatile player that can play safety and or lined up in man in the slot. Adebo is a guy I'd love to see us get, but you and many know that.

I really like St. Juste. He has similar athletic upside to King, but I think he's quicker and can react more easily in small spaces. He wouldn't be such a liability in zone.

 

[Pkrjones]

Just since 3-cone was mentioned....did you see what Garret Wallow from TCU (Linebacker) put up number wise on it? 6.87....dear lord that is elite for his position.

6'-2", 230. Knock is that he's not fast (4.65 - 40).

 

[Dantés]

6.87 is an 86th% result for an off-ball linebacker-- so good, but not elite.

And seeing that Wallow only came in at 220, it's a little less impressive when weight adjusted.

 

[tynimiller]

6.87 is an 86th% result for an off-ball linebacker-- so good, but not elite.

And seeing that Wallow only came in at 220, it's a little less impressive when weight adjusted.

wait he dropped weight at pro day? I thought he was still flirting with 235LBs....makes one think if he is trying to be that hybrid LB/S type...

 

[tynimiller]

For general consumption:

Avery Williams, CB, Boise State:

82 career punt returns for 948 yards for 6 touchdowns (11.6 Yd Avg).

38 career kick returns for 1,042 yards for 3 touchdowns (27.4 Yd Avg).

Pro Day:

5'8" 187#
34" vert
121" broad
4.41 forty
4.02 shuttle
6.88 3 cone

What I hear is that he's not considered a prospect at corner, but he will be drafted for return ability and then converted into maybe a gadget offensive weapon.

He could take that Tavon Austin/Tyler Ervin role and give ST a big jolt.

He combines speed and acceleration with contact balance and vision.

He was a running back of over 1,000 yards his senior year in high school....on pro day did some 3rd down drills....I 100% LIKE him as a Day 3 flyer that honestly could be not just a returner but a motion man type and late depth DB to boot....

 

[tynimiller]

Spencer Brown OT did a sub 7 second cone drill.....now that is LUDACRIS!!!

 

[Dantés]

Spencer Brown OT did a sub 7 second cone drill.....now that is LUDACRIS!!!

Yeah, I've seen a range on his times and pro day times in general. I've been using PFF's posted numbers because they're so convenient. They had him at 7.01. But whatever it is, it's completely insane. You're not supposed to move like that at 6'8" 311.

 

[tynimiller]

With almost all the testing done, I wanted to put together a list of offensive linemen that qualify according to Packer agility thresholds.

I don't know if Gutekunst is still committed to these, but they've served the team really well. Basically, they've looked for OL, especially high in the draft, who have shuttles in the 4.7's or better and three cone in the 7.7's or better.

I'm dividing the list into tackles (players who played tackle and have 33+" arms) and interior offensive line (either college G/C or OT's who lack tackle length). It's entirely possible that some of the "tackles" fit better inside.

So below are qualifying prospects. The first number is their arm length (for tackles), the second is their shuttle time, the third is their 3 cone, and their fourth is their grade (via Zierlein).

Tackles:

• T. Jenkins, Ok. State: 33.5"; 4.66; 7.72; 6.42
• S. Forsythe, Florida: 34.38"; 4.65; 7.47; 6.27
• S. Cosmi, Texas: 33"; 4.39; 7.35; 6.26
• S. Brown, N. Iowa: 35"; 4.44; 7.03; 6.25
• D. Radunz, NDSU: 33.28"; 4.53; 7.27; 6.25
• W. Little, Stanford: 33.75"; 4.58; 7.43; 6.20
• J. Moore, W. Michigan: 33.38"; 6.67; 7.77; 6.19
• J. Ball, Marshall: 35"; 4.67; 7.75; 6.16
• T. Doyle, Mia. Ohio: 35"; 4.61; 7.57; 5.93
• D. Moore, Texas AM: 34.25"; 4.67; 7.56; 5.86
• C. Herring, BYU: 33.75"; 4.46; 7.65; 5.84
• F. Sarrell, Stanford: 33.38"; 4.65; 7.61; 5.43

Interior:

• A. Vera-Tucker, G/T, USC: 4.61; 7.65; 6.43
• Q. Meinerz, C/G, Wisc. Whitewater: 4.47; 7.33; 6.31
• L. Eichenberg, G.T, Notre Dame: 4.58; 7.53; 6.27
• C. Humphrey, C/G, Oklahoma: 4.46; 7.54; 6.26
• B. Christensen, G/T, BYU: 4.46; 7.33; 6.19
• J. Hocker, G, Texas AM: 4.67; 7.65; 6.10
• B. Jaimes, G/T, Nebraska: 4.51; 7.51; 5.98
• D. Dalman, C, Stanford: 4.52; 7.33; 5.88
• W. Fries, G, Penn State: 4.53; 7.77; 5.82
• J. Morrissey, Pittsburgh: 4.46; 7.48; 5.50

Notables Missing a Data Point:

• R. Slater, OL, Northwestern: No Shuttle
• C. Darrisaw, OT, Va. Tech: No Testing
• L. ****erson, C/G, Alabama: No Testing
• A. Leatherwood, T/G, Alabama: No Agilities
• D. Brown, G, Alabama: No Agilities
• W. Davis, G, Ohio State: No Agilities
• J. Myers, C, Ohio State: No Testing
• J. Carman, G/T, Clemson: No Testing
• K. Green, G/C, Illinois: No Agilities
• B. Cleveland, G, Georgia: No Agilities
• T. Smith, G, Florida State: No Shuttle
• M. Menet, C, Penn State: No Testing

Notables Disqualified:

• P. Sewell, T, Oregon: 7.80 3 Cone
• A. Banks, G, Notre Dame: 4.89 Shuttle
• J. Mayfield, G/T, Michigan: 4.91 Shuttle; 7.86 3 Cone
• D. Moore, G, Grambling: 4.87 Shuttle; 8.01 3 Cone
• J. Hudson, T, Cincinnati: 8.05 3 Cone
• R. Newman, T/G, Mississippi: 7.91 3 Cone

Just for the record I'd say a notable disqualified would be D'Ante Smith. His arm length is INSANE at 35+, but shuttle at 4.75 and cone at 7.9 he is just over each to make cut.