2024 Draft-- Media Stuff

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So I just got done listening to Gute's media session. When he talked about the DB's specifically he mentioned they were going to bring some guys in (obviously) but that he's realized they also need to have some serious depth there for injuries thoughout the year. I'm going to interpret this as we may see as many as 4 DB's in the draft. I think we're going to get DB's early and often in this draft. I could see 3 in the top 5 picks and possibly one more in the 7th or something.
I think 3 in the top 5 or 6 is also a very real possibility
 
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I would definitely add ILB to that list of needs. IMO. My list in the draft is 1-S 1-OL 1-ILB 1-RB 1-CB 1-Edge 1-DL + 1-FA impact player.
Yes! I realized later I forgot iLB do thank you for that.
I also wholeheartedly agree on FA. Most of the projections show FA to be cost prohibitive (on the face). Yet I think we mostly know that Love, Bak, Jones and possibly others (like a surprise trade/cut) will be massaged so that their Cap impact load will be lightened in part or full capacity for 2024. Just Bak alone could produce $20mil ballpark if we move on. It’s not inconceivable to shuffle another $10-15mil between the others. It’s more than enough to pay the Rookie class, sign our incumbent FA’s and add 1-2 outside FA’s.

We need to look at out 2023 Roster, plus pull 2 weakest links on both Offense and Defense and turn them into strengths. Then watch the young guys grow as a composite and add a few Rookie high grade plugs this 2024 Draft. There’s zero reason we can’t be top level NFC competitive level now and Super Bowl competitive for our 2025 Draft at home. We are so built like the 2009 team in comparable ways, but a young version. Maybe a mixture of 2008/09. Go get me a Charles Woodson type veteran FA
 
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The more I ponder this years draft. If Im Gutey I’m applying a slightly different methodology than usual. Those first 5-6 draft selections need to be more “polished” players (4 year starters, 5th year starters, less injury prone, high floor or more immediately translatable talent etc..). Then Day 3 go after the high ceiling, medium-longer term projects or package a few Day 3 selections and move up slightly in Day 2. I might even pass on my personal desires of Jonathan Brooks. I might even consider a slight trade up or two in the top 100 or trade a draft pick to go get a Deebo, impact type FA (not necessarily at WR). We don’t need 11 Rookies this draft, condense it to 8-9 players.

We were very close to a SB this year. A lot Closer than id like to admit. I’m not interested in fighting for scraps at the table…We’ve got to think big (but smart) to finish big.
I think had we beat SF in Santa Clara? we’d be playing next weekend. We need to put the pedal down and start our Kick off the blocks early this year… like it’s 2009 all over again.
 
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We will only have four picks in first 100. Gute is going to trade up at some point or trade a pick for a player on another roster. I strongly believe this to be the case this year.
 

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We will only have four picks in first 100. Gute is going to trade up at some point or trade a pick for a player on another roster. I strongly believe this to be the case this year.
Boy, I hope not. Love looking at those top 5. i would even rather trade back afew from 25 but stay in first round and get another top 100. gonna be wild.
 

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Boy, I hope not. Love looking at those top 5. i would even rather trade back afew from 25 but stay in first round and get another top 100. gonna be wild.
Oh Gute could still do that, but I got a hunch going into the night or at start of day 2 we only have four overall unless he does more movement.

It seems from those I know Gute believes a legit window is now, and before numerous rookie deals come up they are gonna push gas pedal down hard.
 

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So you expect a different approach than 2020 when the round 1,2,3 & 4 (traded) picks had no chance of starting as rookies?
 
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So you expect a different approach than 2020 when the round 1,2,3 & 4 (traded) picks had no chance of starting as rookies?

I think that’s a little misleading.

Obviously, Love was a pick for the future.

But Dillon and Deguara had opportunities to play really big roles immediately. It was really just up yo them and their performance. “Starting” is somewhat arbitrary.
 

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If I’m Gutey I’m trying to peel a good player off another Roster. A Xavier McKinney type player on a 4X$50mil area deal. Then I’d go out and draft a later Day2 Safety in the mold of Miami’s James Williams…
FWIW, Spotrac predicts the market value for your McKinney aas 5yr/$50M. Alittle ower than I would have expected.

 
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Brief breakdown of Jordan Reid's top 50 (via espn):

6 Quarterbacks
0 Running Backs
2 Tight Ends
10 Wide Receivers
8 Offensive Tackles
3 Interior OL
3 Defensive Tackles
8 Edge Defenders
1 Linebacker
7 Cornerbacks
2 Safeties

Very similar breakdown to Jeremiah's, which means either that this class is easy to read or that groupthink is setting in. Biggest differences is that Reid included two safeties to Jeremiah's 0 and only 1 linebacker to Jeremiah's 3.

In terms of surprises, Reid's rankings are really chalky. He has Keon Coleman pretty high (23). He also has edge Adisa Isaac at #35, a guy who doesn't crack the top 50 for PFF or Jeremiah. But generally speaking, guys are where they are expected to be which is kind of a bummer. The most annoying thing about media draft coverage is how rarely people are willing to be bold with their beliefs in how they rank players.

As an aside, he mentions that he prefers Cooper DeJean as a safety. I am wondering for DeJean would fit with the Packers. On the one hand, he's probably the best tackling DB at the top of the draft and he played a lot in the slot. On the other hand, he played almost exclusively zone coverage.
 
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PFF's Top 50:

QB: 5
RB: 0
TE: 1
WR: 11
OT: 8
iOL: 2
DL: 4
EDGE: 7
LB: 0
CB: 9
S: 2

PFF's rankings have to be considered a little bit differently than other sources because they bake positional value really heavily into the cake. Their lists will always make it look like it's a bad year for RB, iOL, LB, etc. because they always push premium positions up their board.

Since getting into draft coverage, they have also been known to be way higher than consensus on some guys just because they graded well for them. It usually doesn't work out super well. The following examples are not just players who missed, but players who missed and who PFF had super high as opposed to everyone else:

Derek Barnett rated #3 overall in 2017
Jordan Willis rated #15 overall in 2017
Malik McDowell rated #21 overall in 2017
Maurice Hurst rated #3 overall in 2018
Josh Jackson rated #8 overall in 2018
James Washington rated #24 overall in 2018
Byron Murphy rated #6 overall in 2019
Jerry Tillery rated #7 overall in 2019
Greedy Williams rated #9 overall in 2019
A.J. Epenesa rated #14 overall in 2020
Laviska Shenault rated #15 overall in 2020
Curtis Weaver rated #17 overall in 2020 (LOL)
Julian Okwara rated #22 overall in 2020

Now it seems to be getting a little better as they learn not to weight their own grades so heavily and just rely on what everyone else relies on. But in the past, when they are way higher than a guy than consensus, run for the hills. That might sound like I'm contradicting what I said above regarding groupthink, but the problem is PFF is using the wrong basis for being bold (their grades). They thought they were going to revolutionize the draft analysis industry, but they're really just like everyone else: they hire people who know what they're looking at and those guys make assessments and factor in what they hear from the league.

So who are they really high on this year vs. consensus?

Cooper Dejean (#8)
Jer'zhan Newton (#10)
Nate Wiggins (#13)
Bralen Trice (#25)
Kamren Kinchens (#29)
Tyler Nubin (#30)

We will see how things shake out.
 

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ProfootballNetork has an interesting top 50....Trey Benson RB Roman Wilson WR and Beau Brade S are their final three in.
Draft Network is crazy high on iDL too.

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Position Rankings per The Athletic's consensus big board (i.e. aggregate of several media/analyst rankings):

QB:

1. C. Williams, USC (1)
2. D. Maye, UNC (3)
3. J. Daniels, LSU (10)
4. J. McCarthy, UM (26)
5. B. Nix, OR (30)
6. M. Penix, UW (38)

RB:

1. J. Brooks, UT (60)
2. B. Corum, UM (75)
3. B. Allen, WISC (80)
4. T. Benson, FSU (84)
5. B. Irving, OR (95)

TE:

1. B. Bowers, UGA (4)
2. J. Sanders, UT (41)

WR:

1. M. Harrison, OSU (2)
2. R. Odunze, UW (6)
3. M. Nabers, LSU (8)
4. B. Thomas, LSU (21)
5. K. Coleman, FSU (27)
6. A. Mitchell, UT (33)
7. T. Franklin, OR (34)
8. L. McConkey, UGA (36)
9. X. Worthy, UT (39)
10. D. Walker, UNC (49)
11. J. Polk, UW (53)
12. X. Legette, SC (59)
13. R. Wilson, UM (61)
14. M. Corley, WKU (62)
15. J. Burton, UA (69)
16. R. Pearsall, FLA (78)
17. J. McMillan, UW (81)
18. B. Rice, USC (89)
19. J. Wilson, FSU (97)

OT:

1. J. Alt, ND (5)
2. O. Fashanu, PSU (7)
3. J. Latham, UA (12)
4. T. Fuaga, ORST (14)
5. A. Mims, UGA (18)
6. T. Guyton, OK (24)
7. J. Morgan, AZ (35)
8. K. Suamataia, BYU (44)
9. P. Paul, HOU (56)
10. K. Amegadjie, YALE (72)
11. B. Fisher, ND (85)

iOL:

1. T. Fautanu, UW (25)
2. J. Powers-Johnson, OR (29)
3. G. Barton, DUKE (32)
4. Z. Frazier, WVU (45)
5. C. Beebe, KSU (66)
6. C. Haynes, UCONN (77)
7. S. Van Pran, UGA (83)
8. D. Puni, KAN (87)
9. J. Cohen, MIA (92)
10. C. Mahogany, BC (93)
11. Z. Zinter, UM (99)

iDL:

1. B. Murphy, UT (19)
2. J. Newton, ILL (23)
3. T. Sweat, UT (46)
4. K. Jenkins, UM (50)
5. M. Hall, OSU (73)
6. B. Dorlus, OR (74)
7. R. Orhorhoro, CLEM (76)
8. L. Taylor, MIA (79)
9. B. Fiske, FSU (86)
10. M. Smith, LSU (88)
11. M. Jackson, TAMU (91)

ED:

1. D. Turner, UA (9)
2. J. Verse, FSU (11)
3. L. Latu, UCLA (13)
4. C. Robinson, PSU (28)
5. C. Braswell, UA (42)
6. D. Robinson, MIZZ (43)
7. B. Trice, UW (48)
8. A. Isaac, PSU (58)
9. J. Elliss, UT (67)
10. M. Kneeland, WMU (71)

LB:

1. E. Cooper, TAMU (40)
2. P. Wilson, NCSU (51)
3. J. Colson, UM (63)
4. J. Trotter, CLEM (65)
5. C. Gray, UNC (90)

CB:

1. T. Arnold, UA (15)
2. Q. Mitchell, TOL (16)
3. N. Wiggins, CLEM (17)
4. C. Dejean, IA (20)
5. K. McKinstry, UA (22)
6. E. Rakestraw, MIZZ (31)
7. K. Lassiter, UGA (37)
8. T. Tampa, IAST (55)
9. M. Sainristil, UM (68)
10. K. King, PSU (70)
11. K. Abrams-Draine (82)
12. C. Hart, ND (94)
13. K. Jackson, OR (98)
14. J. Newton, TCU (100)

SAF:

1. T. Nubin, MINN (42)
2. J. Bullard, UGA (52)
3. K. Kinchens, MIA (54)
4. C. Bullock, USC (57)
5. J. Hicks, WSU (64)
6. C. Bishop, UT (96)
 
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I think this WR class and many other recent WR classes are legitimately good groups of talent, but I don't buy that 20% of the top 100 in this class are wideouts. I think that the media find it fun/easy to scout receivers and that the college/pro games are both slanted to make the position look good.
 

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I think this WR class and many other recent WR classes are legitimately good groups of talent, but I don't buy that 20% of the top 100 in this class are wideouts. I think that the media find it fun/easy to scout receivers and that the college/pro games are both slanted to make the position look good.

Agree 100%

I am shocked they have Cole on the top 100 but not Vaki...many are saying of the two Utah Safeties Vaki is the better.
 

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Position Rankings per The Athletic's consensus big board (i.e. aggregate of several media/analyst rankings):

QB:

1. C. Williams, USC (1)
2. D. Maye, UNC (3)
3. J. Daniels, LSU (10)
4. J. McCarthy, UM (26)
5. B. Nix, OR (30)
6. M. Penix, UW (38)

RB:

1. J. Brooks, UT (60)
2. B. Corum, UM (75)
3. B. Allen, WISC (80)
4. T. Benson, FSU (84)
5. B. Irving, OR (95)

TE:

1. B. Bowers, UGA (4)
2. J. Sanders, UT (41)

WR:

1. M. Harrison, OSU (2)
2. R. Odunze, UW (6)
3. M. Nabers, LSU (8)
4. B. Thomas, LSU (21)
5. K. Coleman, FSU (27)
6. A. Mitchell, UT (33)
7. T. Franklin, OR (34)
8. L. McConkey, UGA (36)
9. X. Worthy, UT (39)
10. D. Walker, UNC (49)
11. J. Polk, UW (53)
12. X. Legette, SC (59)
13. R. Wilson, UM (61)
14. M. Corley, WKU (62)
15. J. Burton, UA (69)
16. R. Pearsall, FLA (78)
17. J. McMillan, UW (81)
18. B. Rice, USC (89)
19. J. Wilson, FSU (97)

OT:

1. J. Alt, ND (5)
2. O. Fashanu, PSU (7)
3. J. Latham, UA (12)
4. T. Fuaga, ORST (14)
5. A. Mims, UGA (18)
6. T. Guyton, OK (24)
7. J. Morgan, AZ (35)
8. K. Suamataia, BYU (44)
9. P. Paul, HOU (56)
10. K. Amegadjie, YALE (72)
11. B. Fisher, ND (85)

iOL:

1. T. Fautanu, UW (25)
2. J. Powers-Johnson, OR (29)
3. G. Barton, DUKE (32)
4. Z. Frazier, WVU (45)
5. C. Beebe, KSU (66)
6. C. Haynes, UCONN (77)
7. S. Van Pran, UGA (83)
8. D. Puni, KAN (87)
9. J. Cohen, MIA (92)
10. C. Mahogany, BC (93)
11. Z. Zinter, UM (99)

iDL:

1. B. Murphy, UT (19)
2. J. Newton, ILL (23)
3. T. Sweat, UT (46)
4. K. Jenkins, UM (50)
5. M. Hall, OSU (73)
6. B. Dorlus, OR (74)
7. R. Orhorhoro, CLEM (76)
8. L. Taylor, MIA (79)
9. B. Fiske, FSU (86)
10. M. Smith, LSU (88)
11. M. Jackson, TAMU (91)

ED:

1. D. Turner, UA (9)
2. J. Verse, FSU (11)
3. L. Latu, UCLA (13)
4. C. Robinson, PSU (28)
5. C. Braswell, UA (42)
6. D. Robinson, MIZZ (43)
7. B. Trice, UW (48)
8. A. Isaac, PSU (58)
9. J. Elliss, UT (67)
10. M. Kneeland, WMU (71)

LB:

1. E. Cooper, TAMU (40)
2. P. Wilson, NCSU (51)
3. J. Colson, UM (63)
4. J. Trotter, CLEM (65)
5. C. Gray, UNC (90)

CB:

1. T. Arnold, UA (15)
2. Q. Mitchell, TOL (16)
3. N. Wiggins, CLEM (17)
4. C. Dejean, IA (20)
5. K. McKinstry, UA (22)
6. E. Rakestraw, MIZZ (31)
7. K. Lassiter, UGA (37)
8. T. Tampa, IAST (55)
9. M. Sainristil, UM (68)
10. K. King, PSU (70)
11. K. Abrams-Draine (82)
12. C. Hart, ND (94)
13. K. Jackson, OR (98)
14. J. Newton, TCU (100)

SAF:

1. T. Nubin, MINN (42)
2. J. Bullard, UGA (52)
3. K. Kinchens, MIA (54)
4. C. Bullock, USC (57)
5. J. Hicks, WSU (64)
6. C. Bishop, UT (96)
Well according to this, if we traded back from 25 to 37, and possibly get pick 69 with it, we might be able to get:

37. Best LB - Cooper
41. Best S - Nubin
58. Best RB - Brooks
69. Best Slot CB - Sanristil
88. DL - McKinley Jackson
91. G - Zac Zinter

That sounds like a nice start.

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I think this WR class and many other recent WR classes are legitimately good groups of talent, but I don't buy that 20% of the top 100 in this class are wideouts. I think that the media find it fun/easy to scout receivers and that the college/pro games are both slanted to make the position look good.
Agree. Just like QB's. Too many going too quickly. Better for us though.
 
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Agree 100%

I am shocked they have Cole on the top 100 but not Vaki...many are saying of the two Utah Safeties Vaki is the better.

I haven't really seen those takes, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Weissman of TDN said that if he was viewing Vaki solely as a DB, he would have a late day 3 grade on him. It's his upside and versatility that have people more interested. Bishop is supposed to be a much more solidified DB. I haven't watched either guy.

I will say for Bishop that he's probably only 20 years old based on when he graduated high school and he has a lot of premium production over his time with Utah. He broke out immediately with 9 TFL and 5 PBU as a true freshman in 2021. Over the last two seasons, he had 12.5 TFL, 3 INT, and 7 more PBU. If he tests well, he's checking a lot of boxes.
 
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Agree. Just like QB's. Too many going too quickly. Better for us though.

Overdrafting QB's at least makes sense in that they're extremely important and very hard to find. It's not that WR is unimportant, but its value is overrated and they aren't difficult to find relative to other positions.

If you have a good QB and you solidify the OL, you can make it work with sub-par receiver talent. The game is rigged to make that very easy.
 
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Zierlein's de facto position rankings (listing everyone who gets a 6.1+ for him, which is his lowest grade for which he sees starting potential):

QB:

1. C. Williams, USC (6.76)
2. J. Daniels, LSU (6.73)
3. D. Maye, UNC (6.50)
4. B. Nix, OR (6.43)
5. J. McCarthy, UM (6.39)
6. M. Penix, UW (6.25)

RB:

1. J. Brooks, UT (6.38)
2. J. Wright, TEN (6.28)
3. T. Benson, FSU (6.19)
4. M. Lloyd, USC (6.18)
5. A. Estime, ND (6.17)
6. B. Irving, OR (6.17)
7. B. Corum, UM (6.15)
8. I. Guerendo, LOU (6.15)
9. I. Davis, SDST (6.14)
10. R. Davis, UK (6.14)
11. B. Allen, WISC (6.10)


TE:

1. B. Bowers, UGA (6.75)
2. J. Sanders, UT (6.38)
3. E. All, IA (6.14)
4. T. Johnson, PSU (6.11)
5. A. Barner, UM (6.10)

WR:

1. M. Nabers, LSU (6.86)
2. M. Harrison, OSU (6.83)
3. R. Odunze, UW (6.74)
4. B. Thomas, LSU (6.41)
5. T. Franklin, OR (6.40)
6. L. McConkey, UGA (6.37)
7. A. Mitchell, UT (6.37)
8. M. Corley, WKU (6.35)
9. R. Wilson, UM (6.35)
10. K. Coleman, FSU (6.29)
11. J. Burton, UA (6.27)
12. R. Pearsall, FLA (6.26)
13. M. Washington, UVA (6.26)
14. J. Baker, UCF (6.25)
15. A. Gould, ORST (6.23)
16. D. Walker, UNC (6.19)
17. X. Legette, SC (6.17)
18. X. Worthy, UT (6.16)
19. I. Williams, ILL (6.13)
20. J. Polk, UW (6.12)
21. B. Rice, USC (6.10)

OT:

1. J. Latham, UA (6.70)
2. O. Fashanu, PSU (6.50)
3. J. Alt, ND (6.49)
4. T. Fuaga, ORST (6.48)
5. A. Mims, UGA (6.45)
6. T. Guyton, OK (6.44)
7. T. Fautanu, UW (6.41)
8. J. Morgan, AZ (6.36)
9. B. Fisher, ND (6.26)
10. K. Amegadje, YALE (6.25)
11. P. Paul, HOU (6.24)
12. M. Goncalves, PITT (6.19)
13. J. Foster, MIZZ (6.18)
14. C. Wallace, PSU (6.13)

G:

1. C. Beebe, KSU (6.37)
2. C. Haynes, UCONN (6.27)
3. Z. Zinter, UM (6.24)
4. S. Laumea, UT (6.21)
5. D. Puni, KAN (6.18)
6. I. Adams, ILL (6.14)
7. K. Bills, UT (6.11)
8. T. Keegan, UM (6.11)
9. C. Mahohany, BC (6.11)
10. K. Leveston, KSU (6.10)
11. L. Robinson, TAMU (6.10)

C:

1. G. Barton, DUKE (6.46)
2. J. Powers-Johnson, OR (6.34)
3. S. Van Pran, UGA (6.25)
4. Z. Frazier, WVU (6.12)

iDL:

1. B. Murphy, UT (6.48)
2. T. Sweat, UT (6.40)
3. J. Newton, ILL (6.36)
4. K. Jenkins, UM (6.30)
5. B. Fiske, FSU (6.28)
6. R. Orhorhoro, CLEM (6.24)
7. F. Lovett, FSU (6.20)
8. M. Harris, AUB (6.19)
9. M. Wingo, LSU (6.19)
10. D. Carter, DUKE (6.17)
11. T. Davis, CLEM (6.14)

ED:

1. J. Verse, FSU (6.71)
2. C. Robinson, PSU (6.70)
3. L. Latu, UCLA (6.50)
4. D. Turner, UA (6.48)
5. A. Booker, KAN (6.44)
6. D. Robinson, MIZZ (6.39)
7. C. Braswell, UA (6.25)
8. A. Isaac, PSU (6.23)
9. B. Trice, UW (6.21)
10. G. Murphy, UCLA (6.18)
11. B. Jackson, WSU (6.16)
12. B. Dorlus, OR (6.16)
13. M. Kneeland, WMU (6.13)

LB:

1. J. Colson, UM (6.37)
2. E. Cooper, TAMU (6.28)
3. P. Wilson, NCSU (6.16)
4. S. Chambers, OSU (6.14)

CB:

1. T. Arnold, UA (6.49)
2. N. Wiggins, CLEM (6.46)
3. Q. Mitchell, TOL (6.42)
4. K. McKinstry, UA (6.40)
5. E. Rakestraw, MIZZ (6.36)
6. C. Dejean, IA (6.34)
7. D. James, AUB (6.30)
8. K. Lassiter, UGA (6.29)
9. K. Abrams-Draine, MIZZ (6.25)
10. C. Carson, WF (6.22)
11. M. Melton, RUT (6.21)
12. K. Hadden, TEN (6.20)
13. C. Hart, ND (6.16)
14. N. Pritchett, AUB (6.16)
15. E. Jones, BC (6.15)
16. M. Harden, USD (6.14)
17. J. Brownlee, LOU (6.13)
18. A. Phillips, UK (6.10)

SAF:

1. T. Nubin, MINN (6.33)
2. K. Kinchens, MIA (6.26)
3. J. Bullard, UGA (6.18)
4. K. Oladapo, ORST (6.17)
5. J. Hicks, WSU (6.15)
6. J. Williams, MIA (6.14)
7. C. Bishop, UT (6.13)
 
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ProfootballNetork has an interesting top 50....Trey Benson RB Roman Wilson WR and Beau Brade S are their final three in.
Draft Network is crazy high on iDL too.

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I noticed that. Benson seems to be one of the “most volatile” rated with some having him Top 50 area to others Top 150. He’s a true all over the map RB.
 
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I’m seeing this nice post through the spectacle's of OUR draft placement. There are nice groups of prospects within reason of the area of our current draft selection placement (things could change) AND that align with relative needs. Thanks @Dante that got me thinking!

#25
1. DT, B. Murphy, UT (19)
2. DT, J. Newton, ILL (23)
3. CB, N. Wiggins, CLEM (17)
4. CB, C. Dejean, IA (20)
5. CB, K. McKinstry, UA (22)
6. CB, E. Rakestraw, MIZZ (31)
4. EDGE, C. Robinson, PSU (28)
1. IOL, T. Fautanu, UW (25)
2. IOL, J. Powers-Johnson, OR (29)
5. OT, A. Mims, UGA (18)
6. OT, T. Guyton, OK (24)

#41
1. Saf, T. Nubin, MINN (42)
6. CB, E. Rakestraw, MIZZ (31)
7. CB, K. Lassiter, UGA (37)
1. LB, E. Cooper, TAMU (40)
5. Edge C. Braswell, UA (42)
6. Edge D. Robinson, MIZZ (43)
7. Edge, B. Trice, UW (48)
7. OT, J. Morgan, AZ (35)
8. OT, K. Suamataia, BYU (44)
3. IOL, G. Barton, DUKE (32)
4. IOL, Z. Frazier, WVU (45)


#58
2. Saf, J. Bullard, UGA (52)
3. Saf, K. Kinchens, MIA (54)
4. Saf, C. Bullock, USC (57)
5. Saf, J. Hicks, WSU (64)
8. CB, T. Tampa, IAST (55)
9. CB, M. Sainristil, UM (68)
2. LB,P. Wilson, NCSU (51)
3. LB, J. Colson, UM (63)
4. LB, J. Trotter, CLEM (65)
7. Edge, B. Trice, UW (48)
8. Edge, A. Isaac, PSU (58)
9. EdgerJ. Elliss, UT (67)
9. OT, P. Paul, HOU (56)
1. OT, RB, J. Brooks, UT (60)
5. IOL, C. Beebe, KSU (66)

#88
6. Saf, C. Bishop, UT (96)
11. CB, K. Abrams-Draine (82)
12. CB, C. Hart, ND (94)
13. CB, K. Jackson, OR (98)
5. LB, C. Gray, UNC (90)
10. OT, K. Amegadjie, YALE (72)
11. OT B. Fisher, ND (85)
2.RB, B. Corum, UM (75)
3. RB, B. Allen, WISC (80)
4. RB, T. Benson, FSU (84)
5. RB, B. Irving, OR (95)
6. IOL, C. Haynes, UCONN (77)
7. IOL, S. Van Pran, UGA (83)
8. IOL, D. Puni, KAN (87)
9. IOL, J. Cohen, MIA (92)
10. IOL, C. Mahogany, BC (93)
11. IOL, Z. Zinter, UM (99)



#91
6. Saf, C. Bishop, UT (96)
11. CB, K. Abrams-Draine (82)
12. CB, C. Hart, ND (94)
13. CB, K. Jackson, OR (98)
14. CB, J. Newton, TCU (100)
5. LB, C. Gray, UNC (90)
3. RB, B. Allen, WISC (80)
4. RB, T. Benson, FSU (84)
5. RB, B. Irving, OR (95)
7. IOL, S. Van Pran, UGA (83)
8. IOL, D. Puni, KAN (87)
9. IOL, J. Cohen, MIA (92)
10. IOL, C. Mahogany, BC (93)
 
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Zierlein's de facto position rankings (listing everyone who gets a 6.1+ for him, which is his lowest grade for which he sees starting potential):

QB:

1. C. Williams, USC (6.76)
2. J. Daniels, LSU (6.73)
3. D. Maye, UNC (6.50)
4. B. Nix, OR (6.43)
5. J. McCarthy, UM (6.39)
6. M. Penix, UW (6.25)

RB:

1. J. Brooks, UT (6.38)
2. J. Wright, TEN (6.28)
3. T. Benson, FSU (6.19)
4. M. Lloyd, USC (6.18)
5. A. Estime, ND (6.17)
6. B. Irving, OR (6.17)
7. B. Corum, UM (6.15)
8. I. Guerendo, LOU (6.15)
9. I. Davis, SDST (6.14)
10. R. Davis, UK (6.14)
11. B. Allen, WISC (6.10)


TE:

1. B. Bowers, UGA (6.75)
2. J. Sanders, UT (6.38)
3. E. All, IA (6.14)
4. T. Johnson, PSU (6.11)
5. A. Barner, UM (6.10)

WR:

1. M. Nabers, LSU (6.86)
2. M. Harrison, OSU (6.83)
3. R. Odunze, UW (6.74)
4. B. Thomas, LSU (6.41)
5. T. Franklin, OR (6.40)
6. L. McConkey, UGA (6.37)
7. A. Mitchell, UT (6.37)
8. M. Corley, WKU (6.35)
9. R. Wilson, UM (6.35)
10. K. Coleman, FSU (6.29)
11. J. Burton, UA (6.27)
12. R. Pearsall, FLA (6.26)
13. M. Washington, UVA (6.26)
14. J. Baker, UCF (6.25)
15. A. Gould, ORST (6.23)
16. D. Walker, UNC (6.19)
17. X. Legette, SC (6.17)
18. X. Worthy, UT (6.16)
19. I. Williams, ILL (6.13)
20. J. Polk, UW (6.12)
21. B. Rice, USC (6.10)

OT:

1. J. Latham, UA (6.70)
2. O. Fashanu, PSU (6.50)
3. J. Alt, ND (6.49)
4. T. Fuaga, ORST (6.48)
5. A. Mims, UGA (6.45)
6. T. Guyton, OK (6.44)
7. T. Fautanu, UW (6.41)
8. J. Morgan, AZ (6.36)
9. B. Fisher, ND (6.26)
10. K. Amegadje, YALE (6.25)
11. P. Paul, HOU (6.24)
12. M. Goncalves, PITT (6.19)
13. J. Foster, MIZZ (6.18)
14. C. Wallace, PSU (6.13)

G:

1. C. Beebe, KSU (6.37)
2. C. Haynes, UCONN (6.27)
3. Z. Zinter, UM (6.24)
4. S. Laumea, UT (6.21)
5. D. Puni, KAN (6.18)
6. I. Adams, ILL (6.14)
7. K. Bills, UT (6.11)
8. T. Keegan, UM (6.11)
9. C. Mahohany, BC (6.11)
10. K. Leveston, KSU (6.10)
11. L. Robinson, TAMU (6.10)

C:

1. G. Barton, DUKE (6.46)
2. J. Powers-Johnson, OR (6.34)
3. S. Van Pran, UGA (6.25)
4. Z. Frazier, WVU (6.12)

iDL:

1. B. Murphy, UT (6.48)
2. T. Sweat, UT (6.40)
3. J. Newton, ILL (6.36)
4. K. Jenkins, UM (6.30)
5. B. Fiske, FSU (6.28)
6. R. Orhorhoro, CLEM (6.24)
7. F. Lovett, FSU (6.20)
8. M. Harris, AUB (6.19)
9. M. Wingo, LSU (6.19)
10. D. Carter, DUKE (6.17)
11. T. Davis, CLEM (6.14)

ED:

1. J. Verse, FSU (6.71)
2. C. Robinson, PSU (6.70)
3. L. Latu, UCLA (6.50)
4. D. Turner, UA (6.48)
5. A. Booker, KAN (6.44)
6. D. Robinson, MIZZ (6.39)
7. C. Braswell, UA (6.25)
8. A. Isaac, PSU (6.23)
9. B. Trice, UW (6.21)
10. G. Murphy, UCLA (6.18)
11. B. Jackson, WSU (6.16)
12. B. Dorlus, OR (6.16)
13. M. Kneeland, WMU (6.13)

LB:

1. J. Colson, UM (6.37)
2. E. Cooper, TAMU (6.28)
3. P. Wilson, NCSU (6.16)
4. S. Chambers, OSU (6.14)

CB:

1. T. Arnold, UA (6.49)
2. N. Wiggins, CLEM (6.46)
3. Q. Mitchell, TOL (6.42)
4. K. McKinstry, UA (6.40)
5. E. Rakestraw, MIZZ (6.36)
6. C. Dejean, IA (6.34)
7. D. James, AUB (6.30)
8. K. Lassiter, UGA (6.29)
9. K. Abrams-Draine, MIZZ (6.25)
10. C. Carson, WF (6.22)
11. M. Melton, RUT (6.21)
12. K. Hadden, TEN (6.20)
13. C. Hart, ND (6.16)
14. N. Pritchett, AUB (6.16)
15. E. Jones, BC (6.15)
16. M. Harden, USD (6.14)
17. J. Brownlee, LOU (6.13)
18. A. Phillips, UK (6.10)

SAF:

1. T. Nubin, MINN (6.33)
2. K. Kinchens, MIA (6.26)
3. J. Bullard, UGA (6.18)
4. K. Oladapo, ORST (6.17)
5. J. Hicks, WSU (6.15)
6. J. Williams, MIA (6.14)
7. C. Bishop, UT (6.13)
It would appear to me that Zierlein is infatuated with skill positions too. Red flag just went up on him from this corner.
 

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Overdrafting QB's at least makes sense in that they're extremely important and very hard to find. It's not that WR is unimportant, but its value is overrated and they aren't difficult to find relative to other positions.

If you have a good QB and you solidify the OL, you can make it work with sub-par receiver talent. The game is rigged to make that very easy.
Agree with your assessment overall but I still think some NFL GM's are being caught in these QB sucker picks in the 1st round. Imo, it's more important to have a very good QB coach than to have a supposed 1st round talent at QB.

WR's are a total joke. Tons of them being picked way too high imo.
 

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