Tracking the 2023 Green Bay Roster

[Poppa San]

So disagree heavily on that. He is a phenomenal teams guy which is always welcome in Day 3 picks IMO

Wasn't Burks a day 2 pick? Higher expectations.

 

[tynimiller]

Wasn't Burks a day 2 pick? Higher expectations.

He was, a third for us, but I am disagreeing with his claim he never should have been drafted. That’s just not true at all IMO

 

[Pkrjones]

RB James Robinson signed to add depth to practice squad. CB Anthony Johnson also added to PS, and CB Kiondre Thomas dropped to make room.

 

[longtimefan]

RB James Robinson signed to add depth to practice squad. CB Anthony Johnson also added to PS, and CB Kiondre Thomas dropped to make room.

Robinson is a cousin of a high school buddy of mine

I'm waiting to find out what has happened

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[Krabs]

He was, a third for us, but I am disagreeing with his claim he never should have been drafted. That’s just not true at all IMO

Doesn't someone on here have a good algorithm for statistically telling if someone is a bust or not? I thought someone had an equation.

 

[tynimiller]

Updated OP - Anthony Johnson (not Jr) signed to PS, James Robinson signed, Kiondre Thomas released.

 

[OldSchool101]

by the Packers

What’s interesting is he had the most success with Vanderbilt at Safety. We obviously projected him at LB, probably because of his size coming in at 6’3X235lb. My guess is we knew he’d be a 1-2 year project because he converted to LB late in College. He comes into GB and gets injured almost immediately late Preseason which slowed his return. GB had to go another route and he was basically PT in his Rookie season eith several minor injuries. He got like a half of a season there and he really needed 2 seasons to get going in that role.

I think maybe we parted a little too early as he just led the SF49ers in tackles last week (poor scheme fit?) He’s strung together 2 very good games for the SF49ers, so probably not a great time to diminish him. .

 

[Poppa San]

Doesn't someone on here have a good algorithm for statistically telling if someone is a bust or not? I thought someone had an equation.

Yeah this guy does:

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[Krabs]

Yeah this guy does:

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I don't think that is it. I was something based off where they are drafted and how long they stay in the league. Maybe this is it and I'm remembering wrong.

 

[OldSchool101]

Doesn't someone on here have a good algorithm for statistically telling if someone is a bust or not? I thought someone had an equation.

Yes.
If selected by the Packers in any Draft year (Y) then
Y= (65-97 overall)x.. where x = bust

Sorry it’s the best I could do for you on short notice!

 

[Pugger]

RB James Robinson signed to add depth to practice squad. CB Anthony Johnson also added to PS, and CB Kiondre Thomas dropped to make room.

What do we know about this guy? All I saw was he once played for the NYG.

 

[tynimiller]

What do we know about this guy? All I saw was he once played for the NYG.

Actually was becoming a STUD for Jacksonville and then an achilles injury in 2021 hampered it all.

He was a 1,000 yard rusher (plus 344 yards through air) in 2020 for Jags...put up 767 yards on the ground and 222 through air in 2021 for them as well...so before his injury this dude had amassed:
1837 rushing yards
566 receiving yards
18 TDs total
4.54 yards per rush
7.07 yards per catch

for reference of comparison Aaron Jones averages 5.1 yards per rush and 7.9 yards per reception.

Robinson was then traded during the 2022 season after 7 games with Jacksonville in a smaller role there but still producing at 4.2 yards on the ground average and 5.1 through the air to the New York Jets but wasn't really used there a ton and closed out the 2022 season with only 425 yards on the ground on 110 carries for a 3.86 ypc....and chipped in like 50 yards through the air on little over dozen catches.

WORST case you have an experienced RB3 that cannot arguably be much worse than Taylor....best case he is now fully healed and might show glimpses at what he once was. The issue there is a few teams have had him with them and let him go....

 

[Krabs]

What do we know about this guy? All I saw was he once played for the NYG.

Undrafted out of Illinois St. by the Jaguars. Had a really good rookie season and blew out his Achilles. He was then traded to the Jets, got cut, signed by the Giants, got cut, signed by the Patriots, got cut, and now landed with the Packers. I wouldn't look for him to be any sort of difference maker. They didn't have any RBs on their practice squad, which seems great planning.

 

[OldSchool101]

Actually was becoming a STUD for Jacksonville and then an achilles injury in 2021 hampered it all.

He was a 1,000 yard rusher (plus 344 yards through air) in 2020 for Jags...put up 767 yards on the ground and 222 through air in 2021 for them as well...so before his injury this dude had amassed:
1837 rushing yards
566 receiving yards
18 TDs total
4.54 yards per rush
7.07 yards per catch

for reference of comparison Aaron Jones averages 5.1 yards per rush and 7.9 yards per reception.

Robinson was then traded during the 2022 season after 7 games with Jacksonville in a smaller role there but still producing at 4.2 yards on the ground average and 5.1 through the air to the New York Jets but wasn't really used there a ton and closed out the 2022 season with only 425 yards on the ground on 110 carries for a 3.86 ypc....and chipped in like 50 yards through the air on little over dozen catches.

WORST case you have an experienced RB3 that cannot arguably be much worse than Taylor....best case he is now fully healed and might show glimpses at what he once was. The issue there is a few teams have had him with them and let him go....

I like doing that. One area where I feel like our Staff is “above average” is the area of brining in talent at reasonable $ mid season.

If we Win at Denver I could actually see us (50/50) bringing in an established Veteran Offensive player to round out the OL or WR group. I don’t think it’s inconceivable to try to spark some production in an exceptionally inexperienced Offense.
Also we basically just lost the partial availability of one of the best OT in the NFL, it’s kinda hard to expect Walker to just come in a perform anywhere near Bak. As of now Walker is just a place marker.

Another concern is Runyon. He looks like he’s regressed this year. We’ve went backwards at 2 positions on OL. We also won’t as easily get an accurate depiction of Jordan Love with a makeshift OL and paying a prorated contract of 60-65% is very doable for an upgrade. No QB is going to come into GB and light things up and that includes peak Rodgers. He couldn’t even do that last year with much more experienced players (Lewis, Tonyan, Lazard, Cobb, etc)…at home

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Your conflating what happened and who is due to where we drafted him. You get a special team starter and serviceable back up LB (which he has proven he is) on mid to late Day 3 there isn’t a GM in the league that wouldn’t say yes.

You got MOST of it. the other part of the problem is we shoulda drafted Cunningham

 

[Pkrjones]

Stokes activated from PUP, OLB Hollins cut to make room. Looking forward to this roster getting healthier & playing a few games together.

 

[tynimiller]

My 2021 draft Day3 small school crush Robert Rochell has signed to our active roster.

 

[tynimiller]

Savage placed on IR

 

[tynimiller]

Ballentine signed to active....haven't heard the other move for space for him.

 

[milani]

Ballentine signed to active....haven't heard the other move for space for him.

Are they going to keep a back and forth with Jaire and Stokes?

 

[Krabs]

Are they going to keep a back and forth with Jaire and Stokes?

Stokes went to the IR.

 

[tynimiller]

Zyon Gilbert to PS also - OP reflects

 

[Krabs]

I think as fans we always look to blame someone for the shortcomings of the team. I've made it known that I don't think Jordan Love is our long term answer at QB. I could be wrong, but I don't think he has the it factor. Regardless, let's look who really is to blame. Let's go back to the 2018 draft where Gute took over. My apologies if someone already did this. There's a lot of players left from the 2022 and 2023 drafts, but not some much from when he started.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

Gute has drafted 61 players. Of those 61 these are the player left.
2018, 11 players drafted:
Jaire Alexander
2019, 8 players drafted:
Rashan Gary, Darnell Savage, Elgton Jenkins
2020, 9 players drafted:
Jordan Love, AJ Dillon, Josiah Deguara, Jon Runyan Jr.
2021, 9 players drafted:
Eric Stokes, Josh Myers, Royce Newman, Tedarrell Slaton, Isaiah McDuffie

What should be feeding our team with good players from the draft just isn't. Overall, I think if anyone wants to point fingers the data would suggest that it should be pointed at Gute. Some might even one to use a specific finger to point at him.

 

[tynimiller]

I think as fans we always look to blame someone for the shortcomings of the team. I've made it known that I don't think Jordan Love is our long term answer at QB. I could be wrong, but I don't think he has the it factor. Regardless, let's look who really is to blame. Let's go back to the 2018 draft where Gute took over. My apologies if someone already did this. There's a lot of players left from the 2022 and 2023 drafts, but not some much from when he started.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

Gute has drafted 61 players. Of those 61 these are the player left.
2018, 11 players drafted:
Jaire Alexander
2019, 8 players drafted:
Rashan Gary, Darnell Savage, Elgton Jenkins
2020, 9 players drafted:
Jordan Love, AJ Dillon, Josiah Deguara, Jon Runyan Jr.
2021, 9 players drafted:
Eric Stokes, Josh Myers, Royce Newman, Tedarrell Slaton, Isaiah McDuffie

What should be feeding our team with good players from the draft just isn't. Overall, I think if anyone wants to point fingers the data would suggest that it should be pointed at Gute. Some might even one to use a specific finger to point at him.

Yup I've reviewed Gute's drafts quite a few times, there is a thread even somewhere.

But let's think of this in context....5 years is a long time truthfully player wise...let's look at some of the best teams this year and see where they are before judging Gute:

Eagles
2018 - drafted 5 / 4 on team still
2019 - drafted 5 / 0 on team still
2020 - drafted 10 / 4 on team still
2021 - drafted 9 / 7 on team still
15 since 2018 still there

Chiefs
2018 - drafted 6 / 1 on team still
2019 - drafted 6 / 2 on team now, but Hardman wasn't and just rejoined last week
2020 - drafted 6 / 5 on team still
2021 - drafted 6 / 4 on team still
12 since 2018 still there

Niners
2018 - 9 drafted / 1 on team still
2019 - 8 drafted / 2 on team still
2020 - 5 drafted / All 5 on team still
2021 - 8 drafted / 6 on team still
14 since 2018 still there

Dolphins
2018 - 8 drafted / 3 on team still
2019 - 6 drafted / 2 on team still
2020 - 11 drafted / 6 on team still
2021 - 7 drafted / 4 on team still
15 since 2018 still there.

Ravens
2018 - 12 drafted / 2 on team still
2019 - 8 drafted / 1 on team still
2020 - 10 drafted / 7 on team still
2021 - 8 drafted / 5 on team still
15 since 2018 still there


All that and Gute is at:
2018 - 11 drafted / 1 on team still
2019 - 8 drafted / 3 on team still
2020 - 9 drafted / 4 on team still
2021 - 9 drafted / 5 on team still
13 since 2018 still there


Now the one thing that truly should also be considered is what rounds each of these picks were....beyond round 3 or so it is VERY hard to expect 5 year careers out of 2018 Day 3 guys and I would bet that claim is quite valid across the league for teams to still have many of their 2018 guys.

 

[OldSchool101]

Yup I've reviewed Gute's drafts quite a few times, there is a thread even somewhere.

But let's think of this in context....5 years is a long time truthfully player wise...let's look at some of the best teams this year and see where they are before judging Gute:

Eagles
2018 - drafted 5 / 4 on team still
2019 - drafted 5 / 0 on team still
2020 - drafted 10 / 4 on team still
2021 - drafted 9 / 7 on team still
15 since 2018 still there

Chiefs
2018 - drafted 6 / 1 on team still
2019 - drafted 6 / 2 on team now, but Hardman wasn't and just rejoined last week
2020 - drafted 6 / 5 on team still
2021 - drafted 6 / 4 on team still
12 since 2018 still there

Niners
2018 - 9 drafted / 1 on team still
2019 - 8 drafted / 2 on team still
2020 - 5 drafted / All 5 on team still
2021 - 8 drafted / 6 on team still
14 since 2018 still there

Dolphins
2018 - 8 drafted / 3 on team still
2019 - 6 drafted / 2 on team still
2020 - 11 drafted / 6 on team still
2021 - 7 drafted / 4 on team still
15 since 2018 still there.

Ravens
2018 - 12 drafted / 2 on team still
2019 - 8 drafted / 1 on team still
2020 - 10 drafted / 7 on team still
2021 - 8 drafted / 5 on team still
15 since 2018 still there


All that and Gute is at:
2018 - 11 drafted / 1 on team still
2019 - 8 drafted / 3 on team still
2020 - 9 drafted / 4 on team still
2021 - 9 drafted / 5 on team still
13 since 2018 still there


Now the one thing that truly should also be considered is what rounds each of these picks were....beyond round 3 or so it is VERY hard to expect 5 year careers out of 2018 Day 3 guys and I would bet that claim is quite valid across the league for teams to still have many of their 2018 guys.

thanks,
Upon looking at those comparables it’s not out of the norm. Most teams only have around 1/3 of the players left from 2018/2019/2020 drafted area

I think Gutes done fine.

I also think expectations are too high for a first year starting QB. Recent example as a first year in the NFL
Trevor Lawrence
3-14 record
59.6% completions
12 TD
17 INT
33.5 QBR

Can you imagine had we listened to the disgruntled fan base in real-time? He was a league leader in INT!!
Terrible completion rate!
He was the #1 overall selection in the draft and shouldn’t that deserve a higher expectation?
The Packers have a year to build around him. We couldn’t do squat this year because of a horrendous Cap situation. In 2024 we have both Draft capital AND financial Capital to plug Offense weaknesses. I suspect we’ll bring in 1 good FA and plug another big time draft selection. Let these young guys mature a little it’s not as bad as everyone is making it. We’re smack dab in the middle of taking a good pruning. We just can’t pass judgment until we see the a full season +. Funny how everyone was talking opposite after the first 2 games. It’s almost a comical rollercoaster

I can’t wait to revisit these threads one day