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I will be shocked if Flynn is not tagged.
Prepare to be shocked then, because I doubt it'll happen, especially with Finley and Wells not yet under contract.
I will be shocked if Flynn is not tagged.
The trade would make the Hershel Walker deal look like something off the discount rack.Everyone is on the trading block, including Aaron Rodgers... But NOT FOR 2 FIRST ROUND PICKS! If someone offered FOUR first round picks and 3 or 4 second rounders, I'd consider it.
Finley is special and Wells was the best on an average OL (although I think at least 2 will surpass him next season). I expect that we will sign both of these players. I would probably used the tag on Finley if we can't sign him, but I think the value of Wells to the team is exceeded by the trade value of Flynn.Prepare to be shocked then, because I doubt it'll happen, especially with Finley and Wells not yet under contract.
As smart as Ted is, he's also respectful. Packers will not tag Flynn for a few reasons.
1. Too much risk. Tag him for $14 Million, then IF he signs, we either pay him or trade him, and Flynn can really have an effect on that by refusing to rework a deal with teams he wouldn't wanna go to. Teams wouldn't trade anything for a 1 year, 14 Million dollar contract for a truly unproven QB. (although I think he will be great)
2. Ted respects the process. He payed Matt Flynn to be a back up, and paid McCarthy to make him the best back up in the league. He received both, he didn't do that to eventually use the guy to get more picks. Although it may be a smart business move, that isn't the Packers M.O.
Carson Palmer Package was like 2 1st round, 2 2nd round and a conditional pick? For a QB that hadn't done anything, other than 1 good season, and no telling how ready he was to play.Everyone is on the trading block, including Aaron Rodgers... But NOT FOR 2 FIRST ROUND PICKS! If someone offered FOUR first round picks and 3 or 4 second rounders, I'd consider it.
Finley is special and Wells was the best on an average OL (although I think at least 2 will surpass him next season). I expect that we will sign both of these players. I would probably used the tag on Finley if we can't sign him, but I think the value of Wells to the team is exceeded by the trade value of Flynn.
I'm with you on this one, Aaron. Bt I wanted to chime in that even if he wants too much money, I doubt he gets it. Anywhere. The question is whether he'll be butt-hurt over the Packers' offer and decides he won't play here. I do not see that happening though. I think we will see Finley singed to a modest two year deal. Maybe three. Giving him a chance to prove he's capable of playing the way he says he can play, and setting himself up for a heftier contract in the not-so-distant future m
Prepare to be shocked then, because I doubt it'll happen, especially with Finley and Wells not yet under contract.
I just saw this on the ESPN NFC North blog which supports your comment; "The basics: The Packers have about $113.3 million already allocated for a 2012 cap expected to remain around $120 million. That means they have around $7 million in wiggle room. But using their tag on Flynn would require a $14 million commitment, requiring them to clear at least another $7 million -- and that's if they don't do any other contracts all offseason."
But the Packers would not be on the hook to pay Flynn any money, especially 14 million if a trade is agreed upon before the deal is made, correct? I'm no expert on this, but let's say we cut Clifton and Driver giving us the room technically to pay Flynn. A trade has been worked out, Flynn is tagged, and instantly traded. Essentially, the Packers would receive something for Flynn, whatever that may be, and not have to pay him any of that tag money as it's now his new teams responsibility.
As others have said, this situation seems unlikely, but if Flynn is tagged, it will be worked out to where he will be traded and the Packers will not be paying him. Therefore, whatever money is involved isn't much of an issue (for the Packers anyway). Everyone would be in agreement on whats going to happen and Flynn would work out a new long-term contract with his new team. Probably not going to happen, but it will be more of a factor of teams interest in him rather than money. If 2-3 teams are really interested in him, Ted could definitely make this work. It just depends on how many interested teams there are and if they want to risk not getting Flynn for whatever reason.
One problem with tagging and trading Flynn. IT can only happen if Flynn signs right away. There is nothing that says he has to. Matter of fact, he does not need to sign until several months later. That being said, the Packers can't trade him until he signs, for that matter, I don't think they can even negotiate with other teams, the player has to, unless he has signed. You have to remember, this is not all in the Packers control, the player has some say in it.But the Packers would not be on the hook to pay Flynn any money, especially 14 million if a trade is agreed upon before the deal is made, correct? I'm no expert on this, but let's say we cut Clifton and Driver giving us the room technically to pay Flynn. A trade has been worked out, Flynn is tagged, and instantly traded. Essentially, the Packers would receive something for Flynn, whatever that may be, and not have to pay him any of that tag money as it's now his new teams responsibility.
As others have said, this situation seems unlikely, but if Flynn is tagged, it will be worked out to where he will be traded and the Packers will not be paying him. Therefore, whatever money is involved isn't much of an issue (for the Packers anyway). Everyone would be in agreement on whats going to happen and Flynn would work out a new long-term contract with his new team. Probably not going to happen, but it will be more of a factor of teams interest in him rather than money. If 2-3 teams are really interested in him, Ted could definitely make this work. It just depends on how many interested teams there are and if they want to risk not getting Flynn for whatever reason.
One problem with tagging and trading Flynn. IT can only happen if Flynn signs right away. There is nothing that says he has to. Matter of fact, he does not need to sign until several months later. That being said, the Packers can't trade him until he signs, for that matter, I don't think they can even negotiate with other teams, the player has to, unless he has signed. You have to remember, this is not all in the Packers control, the player has some say in it.
One problem with tagging and trading Flynn. IT can only happen if Flynn signs right away. There is nothing that says he has to. Matter of fact, he does not need to sign until several months later. That being said, the Packers can't trade him until he signs, for that matter, I don't think they can even negotiate with other teams, the player has to, unless he has signed. You have to remember, this is not all in the Packers control, the player has some say in it.
Cant get paid if you dont sign.
Actually, I disagree. It depends on which tag is applied. If the non-franchise tag is applied the player has the right to negotiate with any team. Now if that team does not want to give up two first round picks its a moot point. The Player does not have to sign the tag. The team cannot trade him because he is not under contract. Now what interesting is how do you interpret this passage from the CBA.Right. Can't sign anywhere. Can't play. Players don't win the leverage battle in franchise tag fights.
(k) Any Club designating a Franchise Player shall have until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on July 1 5 of the League Year (or, if July 1 5 falls on a Saturday or Sunday, the first Monday thereafter) for which the designation takes effect to sign the player to a multiyear contract or extension. After that date, the player may sign only a one-year Player Contract with his Prior Club for that season, and such Player Contract may not be extended until after the Club's last regular season game of that League Year.
One problem with tagging and trading Flynn. IT can only happen if Flynn signs right away. There is nothing that says he has to. Matter of fact, he does not need to sign until several months later. That being said, the Packers can't trade him until he signs, for that matter, I don't think they can even negotiate with other teams, the player has to, unless he has signed. You have to remember, this is not all in the Packers control, the player has some say in it.
Wrong.I think this is pretty well understood. As I said in my previous post, before ANY of this business happened, a "gentlemen" agreement would be in place. Ted would find a trade partner that was willing to take a tagged Flynn, and he would then meet with Flynn to ensure his agreement. Everything would be in place before anything happens. The actual commencement of these actions would be more of a formality. Sure, I suppose Flynn could assure Thompson that he is OK with whatever deal might be worked out and then back out once Ted pushes it through, but I can't see that happening. He will either not agree to a potential deal that is on the table and nothing will happen, or he will and it will go through.
I think most NFL players understand that they aren't owed any favors from an organization, especially when you are a valuable asset. Working out a trade with someone like Miami should be find with Flynn, especially with the coaching changes there. Once again, I see this as an 80/20 split, that is, 80% of the time any trade will not be reached. However, it certainly is a possibility. It simply comes down to a teams interest and Flynn accepting the deal. Both would be hurdles, but IF they could be worked out, a deal could be reached. Will be very interesting to see for sure. I still expect Flynn to walk. We just have to hope at least one team falls in love with him and is willing to do whatever it takes to acquire his rights.
They might if they wanted to avoid a bidding war. More than one team is going to have it's eye on Flynn. But all this is fantasy, TT is not going to Franchise Flynn unless he absolutely has a deal with another GM in advance.Wrong.
No team would ever willingly agree to get a guy via trade when they can get him via free agency for nothing but the contract.
Wrong.
No team would ever willingly agree to get a guy via trade when they can get him via free agency for nothing but the contract.
Avoiding a bidding war is fine, but no team would avoid a bidding war by paying in picks for compensation in the magnitude of what Flynn will draw in that sense.
It's not football, it's business, there's a difference.
I just think there's gonna be more to be given up to get Flynn after the Palmer deal.