The problem of franchising Flynn.

I'm all for giving So'oto and Walden a shot, but as backups. I definately would like to see more talent at the outside linebacker position. Competition would be a very good thing.

Robert Griffin

He was forced out of Green Bay... Just like Favre

That was my point, I just wasn’t sure that’s what AaronShockley was saying. Walden has no “special status” on the team, he was a street free agent pickup in 2010. If the coaching staff didn’t want him on the field, all they had to do is sit him. And if they really don’t like him, they can advise McCarthy and Thompson not to keep him. There is no reason for Thompson, or anyone else, to pressure Capers and/or his staff to start or play Walden.

It's not like that. We needed the player, so Walden got time, but I don't think anybody on the Packers Staff was out to help a guy they probably cut in a few days.

BTW, when we talk about "they" we are mostly talking about Kevin Greene. Greene not helping Walden in any way he could makes no sense IMO. He and the rest of the coaching staff were trying to win another championship! Greene knows better than anyone the importance of the play of the ROLB. I'll bet Greene was all over him trying to get him to improve. There is absolutely no reason he wouldn't and every reason he would.

Erik Walden is what he is. He was a street free agent signed because of injuries. He did as well as he could, but he has limits. My dad always said "You can't turn shi^t into gold". Walden was asked to do too much. I don't think anybody purposely didn't help him, he just reached his limit as a player.

TEDDY IS THINKING and WILL MAKE A TRADE LIKE LOMBARDI DID TO IMPROVE THE PACKERS BACK IN THE 60's. LOMBARDI TRADED FOR PLAYERS WHO COULD PLAY THE GAME and WANTED TO PLAY THE GAME. YOU JUST WATCH TEDDY, HE'S A VERY SMART G.M. MAN. LOOK WHAT HE HAS DONE SO FAR . HIS RECORDS SPEAKES FOR IT SELF. TEDDY WILL GET TOP TRADES and DOLLARS FOR QB FLYNN.

Was there a reason the word "and" was the only word typed in small-caps? Just wondering.

Another reason Teddy has to find a way to franchise Flynn and maximize the team's value:
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...-tough-decisions-with-brees-nicks-and-colston

How about we find a way to get rid of #4 on their list, and add #5 on their list?

If we added Mario Williams, we would instantly be better. Then another good OLB wouldn't hurt on top of that.

I was thinking a straight swap for #12 (Jackson not Rodgers lol) actually.

We dont have the talent at OLB for anyone to take the other spot. Its not about guys being coached up. Its about not having the talent to begin with.

To emphasize it.

More than that we need talent at the D line. We were dominant with Pickett Raji and Jenkins. Jenkins left and took all the power off of that side. We need to get some help to that line to create more pressure, it will help the entire defense play better by just adding one piece.

I agree with you, but I'm not sure the administration and coaching staff do. They kept repeating through the season that they liked who they had and that it was just about a need to emphasize proper technique and fundamentals.

I think the coaches were saying that becauase they had to. Coaches typically don't badmouth their player in-season. I'm sure the coaches didn't want to say "our defense is bad because the players are garbage". It seems easier (and safer) to say stuff like: "We need to work on our angles." "We need to fix communication breakdowns."

It would be like when a GM says "so-and-so figures into our plans for the next five years"... Then that player is released or traded a few days after.

I agree. If there was other talented OLB's on the roster, CM3 wouldn't be double and triple teamed all game. Teams made it a point to put multiple guys on his side and stop him... It worked.

It wasn't just Jenkins. Some players straight up regressed. Williams was a completely different player this year, maybe bc of injuries.

Raji was getting owned 1on1 and getting pushes around. Another player that took a step back.

Woodson took a step back bc of age.

AJ Hawk played as he always has, terribly. Several other defensive players took a small step back and some of the young inside linebackers did well this season, but overall it wasn't a season with much improvement on the defensive front.

Absolutely. They play as a unit, but it always starts with individual matchups. We consistently won those in 2010. We consistently lost them in 2011.

O jeez. Don't say that. 13timesChamps will be all over you like stink on a pig.

Quit stirring the pot.

You both made me laugh.

I mean do any of us not believe the loss of Jenkins had negative impact on this defense?
No.
Even my mother and all her 7 sisters know this.

But they also all know that our other OLB besides CM3 sucked-*** too, and Tramon was toasted a lot, and that we missed Nick Collins a lot.

Plenty of factors but missing #77 & #36 were the top 2, without question.

Off season lovers' quarrel...