MM is just about on the hot seat

holmgren never coached the colts DUH

Quick unscientific analysis. Preseason ranking by some internet site on OLs:

22 Green Bay Packers C+ A- D
23 Kansas City Chiefs C+ B C-
24 Chicago Bears C+ D+ B+
25 Tampa Bay Buccaneers C+ C- B
26 Pittsburgh Steelers C B- D
27 Buffalo Bills C B D+
28 Detroit Lions C C C
29 Oakland Raiders C C+ D+
30 Seattle Seahawks C C- C
31 St. Louis Rams C C C-
32 Washington Redskins C- C- D+

Offensive Line Rankings


Current rankings of Rushing Offense

1 Kansas City 445 2150 4.8 70 10 165.4 4 2
3 Oakland 406 1941 4.8 57 14 149.3 7 2
10 Pittsburgh 383 1563 4.1 50 10 120.2 7 2
11 Tampa Bay 353 1533 4.3 61 8 117.9 6 6
12 Buffalo 336 1487 4.4 39 6 114.4 8 3
19 St. Louis 365 1402 3.8 42 7 107.8 2 1
24 Green Bay 325 1284 4.0 71 9 98.8 3 1

6 teams thought to have less talent at OL, have better rushing production. I think if you take AR runs out of the picture and this looks even more bleak.

look I totally get that you are specifically speculating my post to unveil your point, which you didn't really say what it (your point) was, you kind of just pointed out coaches you felt like pointing out of the 13 I mentioned, you labeled 4...I'm not an NFL INFORMATION GURU, I'm just pointing out what little I KNOW...

So fine, feel free to not include those 4 from my list, 9 coaches having success in their first few years isn't a small # either, and they are all still coaching...but regardless there are 13 CURRENT HC's that have had good if not GREAT (playoff wins) success!

Why am I here? Since I got it figured out?..what are you talking about? please elaborate

thank you

I can agree with your point about BILL

Tomlin did take over a good team
Caldwell took over a good team w/ an ELITE QB
Wisenhunt took over the cardinals who were GODAWFUL

Wade Philips took over a playoff team....
Herm Edwards took over a playoff team....
McDaniels took over a great offensive team & nuked it

It translated for Tomlin & Caldwell, but not those guys...there's just a little more involved then just steering a ship...in my humble opinion

MM would have to have a disaster season next year to lose his job. under .500

according to the coaches he works with "the jury is still out"

The second McCarthy's given Dick LeBeau and the Steelers defense to work with, I'll agree. And no, our defense now isn't the same as Pittsburgh's defense.

Including his time in Washington? Oakland? Don't cherrypick.

Remember '07 when McCarthy took his team to the NFC Championship? And we're only one game worse than the Jets right now.

LOL. There isn't another Belichick. He's by far the best coach in the NFL.

He went 9-7 that year and needed Larry Fitzgerald to carry his team to the Super Bowl. And how's he doing now?

Again, how's he doing now?

Again, McCarthy's never had a defense quite like the one he has. And their offense is probably just as good as ours too.

Peyton Manning. I could coach that team.

Wake me when he wins a Playoff game.

We'll forget all those late season collapses. And the fact that he's got the benefit of the best D-line in the league.

You say that like it's some horrible resume. It's not.

Matt Ryan, Michael Turner, Roddy White, Tony Gonzalez.

I'll give you this one. I still think we should've hired him back when we hired Mike. Oh well, nothing we can do about it now.

The incident with the Jets coach has me thinking......
It could be worse.
At least MM isn't doing douche moves such as tripping up players of opposing teams.
I will take bad play calling any time over doing hanus moves of intentionaly hurting opposing players.
A big F you to the friggen Jets!
Those guys deserve to lose every single game from now to the end of time for what their coach did.

I don't care what anybody says or thinks about MM.
At least he has class.
And he does try his best.
The legal way.

As far as ATL I dont know any coach that can win without quality players.

And as far as caldwell how many SBs did manning go to before that? Just 1 I believe...

I think you misunderstood the point of me posting those HC's...which was showing examples of HC's taking a team & having relatively early success...success being Playoff Caliber, Playoff Wins, etc...that's all...obviously if I list 13 HC's all 13 teams are not going to be all unanimously SUCCESSFUL presently all at the same time...Simply pointing out HC's with early success...that's all Jess, ok buddy?

That's 2 great points IVO

wouldn't that be the case IF MM were to get canned?

What I'm saying is, it's not starting from scratch...why do INTERIM coaches do better then the former HC...what is IT that they do differently?

Leslie Frazier
Jason Garret
couple years back Tom Cable

So therefore it can't be the case w/ Mike Tomlin, Jim Caldwell, John Harbaugh, & Norv Turner? right?...it's going to kill you to agree with me

To put it bluntly this team will never go to a superbowl with MM and TT in charge. Both are good at their jobs, but far from great.

I think next season is the test. Mediocre and we could be looking at a new HC. I think the team needs tinkering, no need to blow it up.

hot seat probably not

More movie cliche's. "Don't talk to me about injuries, yadayadayada". Here's some perspective from a former coach; the 2010 Green Bay Packers are putting a hybrid team of JV and Freshman to play for the injured Varsity. Get it???? When the coaches talk to the newspapers they all say "injuries are no excuse..." but I can tell you with authority that injuries are the main topic at EVERY meeting EVERY day. What this team has been able to overcome this year is nothing short of a miracle and portends an extremely bright future. If you are "tired of waiting" and "sick to your stomach" jump on another bandwagon, there' plenty of teams winning NOW. I am also a little frustrated with this year because our Packers have lost some games they had a chance to win. But I am encouraged because I understand the challenge of playing with reserves and realize we probably have no business being 8-4 with the second and third stringers. Being a Green Bay Packer fan is not for the faint hearted, but I guess that's something only born and bred Packer fans really understand. If you can't wear your green and gold with EXTREME pride I suggest you take it off. Otherwise quit yerbitchin' and enjoy the ride, you're missing all the fun.

That said, we can't let the injuries explanation mask the deficits we have at coaching right now. What happens when we throw our starters out there next year (barring the lockout), and coaching blunders ruin a season with very high potential?

Deficits at coaching???? Go volunteer to coach at a local high school and get a first hand look. Then multiply what you see and learn there by about 1,000,000 and talk to us about coaching deficits. This coaching staff should be in the running for Coaches of the Year. They have had to adjust every aspect of the plan they came into the year with almost every week. Can you tell me you make ZERO mistakes where you work? (Be honest) So do these guys but they make their mistakes in front of a billion "experts" every week. Maybe this staff won't get the Packers to a Super Bowl but this is the absolute wrong year to make that kind of judgement.