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MM is just about on the hot seat

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by armand34, Dec 13, 2010.

  1. Forget Favre
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    Fair enough.
    That's all we need to know.
    Thank you.
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    He will be the guy that wont post if the Packers win

    Recall 08? we play Indy at home, no one gives us a shot..

    We smoked them
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    I promised to my friends that what they told me was off-the-record. Of course the offensive coach (and he was offensive to me) I saw drinking was a personal observation. I was kind of jealous because he never had to buy a drink because everyone wanted to suck up to him. But, I just feel uncomfortable naming someone. Sorry.
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    Longtimefan, are you kidding me? I'm upset and venting clearly & I am completely calling out MM...I'm still a packers fan, so don't try and question that with me...I want to beat the Pats, I despise the Pats, I'm a NEWYORK born citizen and I have a generic hatred for most if not all Philly & Boston teams, I would love to see the Pats get beat by us, you kidding me? I live in NJ us NJians despise all that is boston...I still can't deny the fact that Belichick is a guy that knows how to win, that's what I'm saying
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    You have some great points in your post & I agree that TT has done a fine job building a competitive team...but, I'm completely calling it MM, he needs to let someone else just focus on the offense-play-calling-duties...he needs to RUN an entire team, not just the OFFENSE. I truly believe that would benefit the team greatly...you think Rex Ryan allowed his emotions to get in the way against the PATS, I think he did, he didn't know when to challenge, and he got torched by brady
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    To answer your question why do I post here...ANSWER: I'm very passionate about the Packers, they are my favorite team in all of sports...if I see something I don't like then I post about it to vent out my frustration, whether I'm wrong or right, it is my right and privilege to post on this forum whenever I have something I want to share with other Packer fans, this is why I post here

    1 I can give a guy credit as much as I despise the Pats...so relax with those knee-jerks..

    2 This is the coaches that GENERALLY don't go anywhere when they take over a team, since you didn't give me any examples, here are some, but not all of current coaches that had success within 2 years of taking over a team and a little more

    Mike Tomlin - won a superbowl in his 2nd year
    Norv Turner - has made it to at least divisional playoffs every year so far
    Rex Ryan - first year afc championship loss,2nd year one of the best records in the afc
    Belichick- 2nd, 4th, & 5th year SUPERBOWL WINS & 8th year LOSS to the NYG in SB
    Ken Wisenhunt - 2nd year lost in superbowl
    Sparano - first year made playoffs
    John Harbaugh - loss in championship game, lost in divional round, probably gonna make it again this year (third year)
    Jim Caldwell - first year superbowl loss
    Todd Haley - current 2nd year leading div
    Tom Coughlin - currently in his 7th season in NY, 5 playoff appearances including SB victory, 2nd year made playoffs
    Mike McCarthy - championship game loss in year 2, year 4 sickening loss to the cards
    Mike Smith - first year made playoffs, 3rd year (this year, leading NFC)
    Sean Payton - first year championship game Loss to bears in '06 & year 4 WON superbowl

    and I might have missed some, but I have just listed 13 CURRENT HC's that all have had success early in their HC career witht their CURRENT teams........MM out, you wouldn't feel good about DOM CAPERS?
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    It was tough losing to the lions,but I have to ask those who are ready to throw M.M under the bus because of his play calling he didn't ask A-rod to keep running with the ball the other coaches take the blame,in how the o-line preformed,but the players have to be accountable too.The jets are worse off than we are if they don't win out,at least we have a glimmer of hope,I know some are upset with Quraless and some other players but when you don't play much and I also know that they get big bucks to play no excuse,to put it in a nut shell,the team as a whole has been good with who they have,even Flynn look at the vikes game last night what a blunder Jackson running into Peterson Jackson in and out of the game,what a mess I'm glad to be a packer fan with players that haven't had much time on the field and were 8-5 some of the main ingredients are missing,so you improvise and some times it works.
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    If we win 2 of the last 3 games and win the division, MM will be a serious coach of the year candidate.

    But we still need an offensive coach who knows the intricacies of the zone blocking scheme, if that is still what the head coach wants to use. The current staff is not able to teach the linemen how, or who to block on any given play regardless of the scheme being used. It's either that or every lineman TT has drafted is a very poor athlete, which I don't believe.
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    Thats true, however, when you see the same issues over and over again, the problem has to be elevated. Here are the potential issues:

    1. Players are below average (TT responsibility)
    2. The players are not developing (OL coach)
    3. The scheme sucks (OC)
    4. Game plan sucks (OC, HC, and OL Coach)
    5. Players are not prepared (OL Coach)

    Personally, I really think the limiting factor is the OL coach. I see other teams doing more with less talent.
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    BINGO!
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    A number of years ago we imported the zone blocking scheme from Denver because it was so effective against us. What happened, do we give up on it?
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    Play calling is an issue....

    If you guys wanna blame the OLine thats fine. But how many times has Rodgers had time in the pocket.... AND STILL RAN?!? Those receivers couldn't get open!
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    1- how many are 2nd or 3rd stringers?
    2- see above
    3- I agree, I hate the run game
    4- it only sucks when we lose, but looks awesome when we win by 20+
    5-Give us an example
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    MM should know most winning coaches are in shape... just look at the steelers coach, pats coach, saints coach, colts coach when they won the SB
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    I agree MM has to go. No excuse to lose to the Lions.....3 friggin points???? Keep Dom Capers and get an offensive mind in here.
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    Mike Tomlin - studied with Bill Cowher and took over a team ready to go.


    Belichick- 2nd, 4th, & 5th year SUPERBOWL WINS & 8th year LOSS to the NYG in SB ..As others have pointed out..Tell us aobut his Cleveland years too

    Ken Wisenhunt - 2nd year lost in superbowl...
    And this year with out key players from that SB team, whats his record?

    Jim Caldwell - first year superbowl loss...
    Again not his real team he took over for Tony...This year with all the injuries whats the record?

    Sean Payton - first year championship game Loss to bears in '06 & year 4 WON superbowl...Why not bring out the record in between 06 and 09?
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    Then why are you here? You know... since you've got it all figured out and all?
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    Maybe you misunderstood my post, or more likely I wasn't more clear.

    I was saying those are all of the possible reasons why our run games sucks.

    Of those I think it is mostly #5 and some of #2, the OL players are not prepared nor being developed. Getting man handled by the DL of Detroit on most plays, there is definitely something wrong.

    My evidence? Process of elimination.

    1. Players below Average. I think all the OL players have the physical tools to succeed. What Clifton lacks in the physical, he should make up for in experience. TT has done okay here.
    2. Developing players: Campen stated that there were many fundamental issues related to the poor performance including footwork and pad level. He isn't teaching them the fundamentals such that it is sinking in.
    3. Scheme - we have one of the more potent offenses and have done pretty good at times running.
    4. Game Plan - possible
    5. Players not prepared. Lots of plays they just weren't effective blocking. On one play there were 3 guys blocking one DL and a one on one situation down the line led to a sack. They didn't appear to me to be a cohesive group working together.

    Therefore, I came to the conclusion that changing the OL coach is the first solution I think should happen to improve the OL performance and the run game.
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    Corroborating evidence?
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    Sorry, but I've gotta call B.S. on that one. Swap them and you'd have similar results.
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    Capers is the last guy I would want as a HC. In is 8 years of head coaching, he has had ONE winning season and four seasons with 5 or fewer wins. Remember the Ray Rhodes experiment? Being a great DC doesn't mean you're a great HC. That's also why I don't think we have to worry about losing Capers to some other team. I think he'll be our DC as long as we want him here.
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    Who? Not counting guys who are on IR?
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    Holmgren?
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    I was sitting at work the other day and started thinking.. instead of firing Mike McCarthy, why don't we just relieve him of his play calling duties and hire someone like Mike Leach as Offensive Cord.? I think his scheme he had at Texas Tech would be perfect with our finesse team. Does anybody else think something similar to this would work?

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