Wood Chipper
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Agreed but I believe he will be gone in the early to mid 2nd round.Giovani Bernard > Montee Ball
Agreed but I believe he will be gone in the early to mid 2nd round.Giovani Bernard > Montee Ball
My guess is they will be targeting what Thompson has called one of those rare talented big men to anchor the DL but of course that’s only a guess. But I’ve got to think if Thompson and staff had the idea one of these two would be possible first rounders for the Packers – both available and rated highly by them, Jones wouldn’t have gotten an extension. Or Hawk would have been released (I would have preferred one of those two things would have happened anyway.) But if they draft a starter at ILB, not only will they be paying three starters at ILB (not counting the draftee) but they would have 7 or 8 credible choices for two spots. While Thompson has said draft the best player because depth can evaporate quickly, that would seem excessive even for him. OTOH, wouldn’t it be foolish to pass up what could be a pro bowl type player even if you are deep at a position? That’s why I go back to the signing of Jones and keeping Hawk.ILB Arthur Brown - Hate to upgrade a deep position but AB is a talent that will make a big impact. Tough, athletic and good in coverage - this will create lots of options for Capers.
ILB Alec Ogletree - kinda the same as above but not as much - however - he brings extra attitude
That would be my guess. TT, it seems to me, places a high value on DL and OL.My guess is they will be targeting what Thompson has called one of those rare talented big men to anchor the DL but of course that’s only a guess. But I’ve got to think if Thompson and staff had the idea one of these two would be possible first rounders for the Packers – both available and rated highly by them, Jones wouldn’t have gotten an extension. Or Hawk would have been released (I would have preferred one of those two things would have happened anyway.) But if they draft a starter at ILB, not only will they be paying three starters at ILB (not counting the draftee) but they would have 7 or 8 credible choices for two spots. While Thompson has said draft the best player because depth can evaporate quickly, that would seem excessive even for him. OTOH, wouldn’t it be foolish to pass up what could be a pro bowl type player even if you are deep at a position? That’s why I go back to the signing of Jones and keeping Hawk.
That's true - it probably works the other way - now that Jones is back, the draft value of other ILBs is reduced: For example, if a DL, OT or safety were objectively graded very slightly below an ILB, the former would be the pick. Jones does have extra value but not much IMO because he wasn't very good outside and if he starts in the nickel at ILB he will get more snaps that the "starters".As far as Jones goes - I don't know that TT would make a FA decision based on who may or may not be available at their pick. Jones has extra value in that he can play all the LB positions.
I suppose. I just dont imagine that they are that precise in their analysis that there are players who are graded 'slightly' better at different positions. Any given draft situation if they took a poll in the Packer war room, you probably have 5 or 6 names that are being promoted by various scouts/coaches/ and TT. I have heard a story first hand from someone in the war room that there are discussions and talks up to the actual pick. And the scout's don't know exactly what TT is going to do for sure. They know he has it narrowed down to a few names - but their big board is in tiers and there may be 5 or 6 players to chose from.That's true - it probably works the other way - now that Jones is back, the draft value of other ILBs is reduced: For example, if a DL, OT or safety were objectively graded very slightly below an ILB, the former would be the pick. Jones does have extra value but not much IMO because he wasn't very good outside and if he starts in the nickel at ILB he will get more snaps that the "starters".
Wilde made what I thought was an interesting point a few days ago. He said the Packers (like all other teams) set up their player rankings (and I assume early draft board) after all their work during and after the college season. Then comes the combine and pro days. What I found interesting is Wilde said after all that work the Packers draft board ends up looking very much as it did before the combine. I’m sure they eliminate a couple of players and do some shuffling of players but this makes sense to me as I would place much more importance on a players performance in college vs. combine numbers.
I think they have their board nailed down more than that on draft day, particularly for the early rounds. I believe the scouts and coaches do the kind of lobbying you're talking about before their board is finalized. By posting "graded very slightly below" I did mean the players were on the same tier.
I agree with regard to trade-ups or trade-downs, but if they pick at #26, I would be surprised if they're discussing more than two players at that point.
I think the decision may be more fluid. Maybe the Pack has 5 guys on the same tier available at their pick. Maybe 2 are at areas needed to shore up - WR and RB. Then they are looking at their board and there are 7 more WRs on next lower tier (which 1 should be available at next pick). Maybe the staff thinks they see a hidden gem they can probably get 3 rounds later. Do they go for the RB now? Do they trade back 5 picks and still get a guy on their current tier?Well, perhaps for the 10 minutes between #25 and #26. More before, more after, constant re-figuring.
I think the decision may be more fluid. Maybe the Pack has 5 guys on the same tier available at their pick. Maybe 2 are at areas needed to shore up - WR and RB. Then they are looking at their board and there are 7 more WRs on next lower tier (which 1 should be available at next pick). Maybe the staff thinks they see a hidden gem they can probably get 3 rounds later. Do they go for the RB now? Do they trade back 5 picks and still get a guy on their current tier?
There are lots of scenarios that could arise. Draft board didn't change. Draft strategy same. Just the circumstances are evolving with every pick.
Giovani Bernard > Montee Ball
The vision this guy has is ridiculous too. You very rarely ever see him take a wrong cut and he's got the patience to wait for an opening and explode. This kid is the anti-Alex Green.I've been wanting to see an explosive back in Green Bay for a while now and i wouldn't be mad at all if we took Bernard. Talk about a guy who can take it to the house at any given time. He would immediately improve our overall team speed on offense!
The vision this guy has is ridiculous too. You very rarely ever see him take a wrong cut and he's got the patience to wait for an opening and explode. This kid is the anti-Alex Green.
I would love to see this all pan out the way you explain it.Lol i'm sorry but i just don't see the hype for Alex Green as some others do. like you said his vision is terrible and he never delivers a blow. Time for him and Starks to go. Bernard and Harris would be our version of thunder and lighting. I read one scouting report who said Bernard to Green Bay makes more sense than any other team. In fact, he said it made to much sense. Bernard is a 3 down back who can catch!! Getting a weapon like Bernard would take alot of pressure off #12. I hope TT drafts him.
I would love to see this all pan out the way you explain it.
He is great as a late flier.It figures WC would like Murray. He's very similar to Grant I hear.
I've been wanting to see an explosive back in Green Bay for a while now and i wouldn't be mad at all if we took Bernard. Talk about a guy who can take it to the house at any given time. He would immediately improve our overall team speed on offense!