The 55th Annual Amish Mafia Mock Draft

[Heyjoe4]

We have a book on Gute. We look for high RAS guys with certain body constraints. Top 30 visits are likely genuine interest. There are 2 other elements with medical and personality that other GMs may see some tendencies.

Additionally, there is evidence of interest/amount of attention to a particular athlete during the combine. Who they interview and who all shows up at the pro days.

Factor in need and you might have a decent idea of who each team is probably interested in.

We are amateurs and yet we usually have a decent idea who the Packers are taking. If we knew how the draft was going to fall, most of us would have had the Cisse and DDS picks correct. And the NFL GMs know much more than we do.

It seems obvious - but we do forget - as you point out, the GMs know a lot more than we do. And I like your explanation for determining if a team has interest in a guy, largely common knowledge to GMs by draft day. That would make it worth jumping up a few places to get a guy - if the GM knew the guy wouldn't fall far enough.

Thanks Amish.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Congrats to DoURant with 11pts



Todd Princl with 8 pts.

Tyni and Poker had 3 pts

The rest of us? Nothing!

Please let me know if I missed anything.

Nice job DoURant with 11 and also Todd P with 8. That is just not easy to do.

 

[tynimiller]

Orange vs McClellan will be interesting to watch.

I honestly don't think much of the league saw them as one in the same type though, so not a fair comp to either of them likely in a few years. Now if McClellan strictly is asked to be a plugging NT with no other real responsibilities I think a true comp can be made, but I personally didn't have McClellan on my NT list. Now he was on a list of DTs that I think are NT capable but not solely. Similar to what I thought of Kenny Clark...who can do NT responsibilities but not only that. I think Orange might be quite to very good at that role while McClellan I think will be adaquate when asked, but he can be moved so much more and has more diverse offerings than Big Citrus.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I honestly don't think much of the league saw them as one in the same type though, so not a fair comp to either of them likely in a few years. Now if McClellan strictly is asked to be a plugging NT with no other real responsibilities I think a true comp can be made, but I personally didn't have McClellan on my NT list. Now he was on a list of DTs that I think are NT capable but not solely. Similar to what I thought of Kenny Clark...who can do NT responsibilities but not only that. I think Orange might be quite to very good at that role while McClellan I think will be adaquate when asked, but he can be moved so much more and has more diverse offerings than Big Citrus.

Good analysis comparing/contrasting McLellan and Orange. From what I read, Orange will be a 2-snap player primarily for run defense. McLellan can do that, but can also get after the QB, so an every-down player.

I think that's why Gluten passed on Orange and traded up for McLellan. Just like the OL, the ability to play more than one position or role is valuable.

 

[tynimiller]

Now that said, I don't personally expect McClellan to likely come in and play over 35% of snaps. He is going to be given time to get used to the NFL and build his strength up some which IMO is the only thing that at times looks to be stressed (however it is getting high more than lack of brute strength).

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Now that said, I don't personally expect McClellan to likely come in and play over 35% of snaps. He is going to be given time to get used to the NFL and build his strength up some which IMO is the only thing that at times looks to be stressed (however it is getting high more than lack of brute strength).

Yup and the more I read about/watch film on Gannon's defenses, the more I like. I think he likes to use all sorts of fronts and with the Packers current roster, that is a plus. It will require a lot of different chess pieces being subbed in and out, which keeps legs fresh and the offense guessing. Doing so will allow Gannon to spread out a lot of snaps over a lot of bodies. McClellan is a flexible DT that can play 1-technique, as well as being capable of playing 3-technique and rushing the passer. Had Gute drafted a strict or mostly 1-tech guy, that would have limited Gannon's flexibility.

 

[tynimiller]

Yup and the more I read about/watch film on Gannon's defenses, the more I like. I think he likes to use all sorts of fronts and with the Packers current roster, that is a plus. It will require a lot of different chess pieces being subbed in and out, which keeps legs fresh and the offense guessing. Doing so will allow Gannon to spread out a lot of snaps over a lot of bodies. McClellan is a flexible DT that can play 1-technique, as well as being capable of playing 3-technique and rushing the passer. Had Gute drafted a strict or mostly 1-tech guy, that would have limited Gannon's flexibility.

Yeah, he has been known to show 5 along the line and do some exotic stuff in drop backs post snap then...which to be fair with speed guys like Zaire and Edgerrin you can do that...and Parsons can move around everywhere.....Oliver if healthy might be also another.

 

[OldSchool101]

After round 1, I'm pretty sure Cisse gets the call at #52. It's tempting between Miller and Cisse (assuming they are still on the board at 52). I think Gluten goes with Cisse at CB because he already added Hargarve to the DL in FA. Miller does have the Georgia pedigree that the Packers covet, so who knows. I still think it's Cisse.

and…. It’s Cisse. Good Read on the situational Draft logic after Day1 cleared @Heyjoe4

A few 1st rounders fell into round 2 (DT McDonald, injured CB McCoy, CB Hood) which will add excitement tonight. Good players may get pushed back to 52 because of this.

Seems you hit the nail on the head @Pkrjones.

The Giants were thinking Hood at #37 overall. CB did get pushed down the board some also as seen by Cisse dropping to us.

Just 2 CB’s were taken in Day 1.

 

[Heyjoe4]

and…. It’s Cisse. Good Read on the situational Draft logic after Day1 cleared @Heyjoe4

Seems you hit the nail on the head @Pkrjones.

The Giants were thinking Hood at #37 overall. CB did get pushed down the board some also as seen by Cisse dropping to us.

Just 2 CB’s were taken in Day 1.

Thanks for the kind words OS. I was shocked that only two CBs were taken in round 1. Seems that number is always around 5, or more.

Not complaining. Low interest in CBs may have made it possible for Cisse to be available at #52.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Yeah, he has been known to show 5 along the line and do some exotic stuff in drop backs post snap then...which to be fair with speed guys like Zaire and Edgerrin you can do that...and Parsons can move around everywhere.....Oliver if healthy might be also another.

Personallly, I can never tell by watching a game if a defense runs a 3-4 or a 4-3. The number od down linemen changes from play to play - from as few as 2 to as many as 6. Down and distance dictates the formation as well.

I like Gannon's approach. When asked what scheme he employs he said none - or rather that depends on the talent he's has, or doesn't have, and the situation on the field.

I'd like to see more press coverage (Hafley used zone a LOT), but that requires talented athletes at CB who can shift gears and accelerate. That does not describe the CB group from the last few years.

Even so, I trust Gannon will use the talent he has in the best way. That would be a departure from Hafley, who didn't mix up his defenses a lot - or at least I never noticed.

 

[AmishMafia]

Personallly, I can never tell by watching a game if a defense runs a 3-4 or a 4-3. The number od down linemen changes from play to play - from as few as 2 to as many as 6. Down and distance dictates the formation as well.

I like Gannon's approach. When asked what scheme he employs he said none - or rather that depends on the talent he's has, or doesn't have, and the situation on the field.

I'd like to see more press coverage (Hafley used zone a LOT), but that requires talented athletes at CB who can shift gears and accelerate. That does not describe the CB group from the last few years.

Even so, I trust Gannon will use the talent he has in the best way. That would be a departure from Hafley, who didn't mix up his defenses a lot - or at least I never noticed.

So long as we are not playing our DBs 7 yards deep on 4th a 1. That we dont run a prevent defense when up by 2 with 2 minutes left.

I guess I'm still a little sensitive to the Berry era.

 

[Heyjoe4]

So long as we are not playing our DBs 7 yards deep on 4th a 1. That we dont run a prevent defense when up by 2 with 2 minutes left.

I guess I'm still a little sensitive to the Berry era.

I feel the same way. Even on 3rd and 10, the CBs too often back up to the first down marker. That makes it easy for an opponent to pick up 6-9 yards, and more teams are using all four downs. Anyway, it bugs the hell out of me when the DBs give receivers and QBs so much room to operate.

 

[Heyjoe4]

So long as we are not playing our DBs 7 yards deep on 4th a 1. That we dont run a prevent defense when up by 2 with 2 minutes left.

I guess I'm still a little sensitive to the Berry era.

Still amazes me Barry was kept on for so long. Of course it was nothing compared to Capers. MLF seems slow in his willingness to make needed changes.

 

[milani]

So long as we are not playing our DBs 7 yards deep on 4th a 1. That we dont run a prevent defense when up by 2 with 2 minutes left.

I guess I'm still a little sensitive to the Berry era.

And maybe Petine also.

 

[Heyjoe4]

And maybe Petine also.

Geez I forgot about him. Maybe because he was forgettable.......

 

[milani]

Geez I forgot about him. Maybe because he was forgettable.......

The reason people forget Petine is BECAUSE of Joe B.
Petine's one claim to fame had to be his opening night 10-3 win over Trubisky and the Bears in 2019. After that I draw a blank.

 

[DoURant]

The reason people forget Petine is BECAUSE of Joe B.
Petine's one claim to fame had to be his opening night 10-3 win over Trubisky and the Bears in 2019. After that I draw a blank.

After that game Aaron stated, "We Have A Defense"

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[milani]

After that game Aaron stated, "We Have A Defense"

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At the press conference he said we haven't seen defense like that in a LONG time.

 

[Heyjoe4]

At the press conference he said we haven't seen defense like that in a LONG time.

Interesting stuff. Not easy to get an endorsement from ARod. Even so, Pettine didn't do anything special in his time in GB as far as I know.

I am looking forward to Gannon as DC. He has a lot going for him. It was a good call by MLF.

 

[milani]

Interesting stuff. Not easy to get an endorsement from ARod. Even so, Pettine didn't do anything special in his time in GB as far as I know.

I am looking forward to Gannon as DC. He has a lot going for him. It was a good call by MLF.

I hope our offense can put up points early in the season. It will take time for the new defense to adjust and develop.

 

[OldSchool101]

I hope our offense can put up points early in the season. It will take time for the new defense to adjust and develop.

I’m just wanting us to stay at least .500 or better through Week 4-6 area. By October timeframe we should conceivably have the band back together and possibly even primed

 

[Heyjoe4]

I hope our offense can put up points early in the season. It will take time for the new defense to adjust and develop.

Very good point. I think that even when healthy, the defense will not be "elite" this season - that is, capable of winning a SB. They don't need much, and maybe the CB group over-performs and I'm wrong (I hope so).

This year the team will have to count on the offense to win games. And to your point, putting up points early is the key.

It almost worked in the playoff game in Chicago. Not many teams lose when they are up by three possessions at half time (21-3). And not many teams win when they give up 25 pts in Q4 in the same game, or any game.

 

[PikeBadger]

You did nail 2 guys we signed as UDFA's, Quinn, and Kelly

Yeah, I've always thought we should get 2 points per hit on UDFA's. Would help reduce my number of embarrassing donuts and allow me to not have to walk around in complete shame for a whole year.

 

[DoURant]

Yeah, I've always thought we should get 2 points per hit on UDFA's. Would help reduce my number of embarrassing donuts and allow me to not have to walk around in complete shame for a whole year.

I'm pretty sure I suggested it one year, as it was something we had in another mock contest I was involved in. I think it was for 1 point though.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I'm pretty sure I suggested it one year, as it was something we had in another mock contest I was involved in. I think it was for 1 point though.

Seems like a good idea - if, for nothing else, to act as a tiebreaker.