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The debate should end...for now

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by net, Sep 11, 2007.

  1. net

    net Cheesehead

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    The Press-Gazette allows readers to comment on stories. Each day, it inevitably ends with the "Good Ted" vs. "Bad Ted" debate. I'm no fan of Ted's, as you know, but I posted this below. It's a bit like yacht design. You can argue the merits of this or that, but once the race begins, GRAB A LINE!
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    Reading the comments above you would swear the Packers lost the game against Philly.

    Hey folks...the team is ahead of the Bears!

    I'm one of the original members of a fire Ted Thompson website, so I'm no fan of Ted's, but I've come to the realization that regardless of what decisions have been made it's time to suck it up and go with it.

    Quite honestly, I like the idea of a defensive-oriented team with good special teams. That took the Bears to the Super Bowl last year. It's been a long time since great defense was played here and you can't be a winner for long without it.

    For all of you fixated on eye-popping offensive numbers consider this:
    You can win the Super Bowl and never score a touchdown all season.
    In theory, if your defense doesn't allow a point, all you need is a safety or a field goal to win the game. The goal is to win the game, not run up your fantasy numbers.

    So if the Packers defense keeps the team in the game, the Packers have a chance to win ugly. An ugly win in the Super Bowl is still a championship!
     
  2. wpr

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    Well said Net.
     
  3. Obi1

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    Yes,

    Yet I differ some in my view of the necessity for Offense. A team that doesn't score well on offense won't get very far in the playoffs.

    Look at the Bears of 2001 when they won 13 games with an anemic offense... then lost immediately and handily in the playoffs.

    Look at this the other way... IF your offense scores on EVERY play, how hard does your defense need to work?

    I am in agreement with YOU. I have longed for a strong defense for MANY years. However, Packers will need a much better offense than what they displayed or they won't get very far.

    A team that is dependent on the defense must depend on the opponent's mistakes and capitalize on them. They come accross teams who make very few mistakes and....

    I am personally looking forward to the return of Jennings, Morency and Robinson. I am thinking between the 3 of them, they should be worth a TD or 2/game...
     
  4. dhpackr

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    in case you forgot, the bears, who were a defensive minded team, lost to the colts, an offensive minded team. end of story.
     
  5. digsthepack

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    Please overlook the fact that the Colts' defense was playing lights out when Bob Sanders came back. They were not a one dimensional team, by any means.

    Success in football begins with defense, and the offense can grow into their role while the defense keeps us in, and wins us a few games along the way.
     
  6. Bobby Roberts

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    Strong defense is necessary and we have a good one, but we're not good enough to make up for offensive mistakes and multiple 3 and outs. There are still plenty of holes in our defense and I don't think that we can relay on the defense to save us everytime.

    The keys at this point are:
    1) defense stays strong and healthy
    2) special teams plays steady - not giving up big returns
    3) OL plays strong for run and pass, which allows the offense to click

    #1 and 2 happened on Sunday and we won because #2 actually produced points/turnovers, while the D held the Eagles in check. Now if our OL comes together, we will have a very good team to push for the playoffs.

    Basically, there's 3 phases to the game and we need to be strong in each in order to take the next step.

    GO PACK GO!!!
     
  7. Greg C.

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  8. cheesey

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    The way our D looked...........if our O improves at all (which i think it will) we should be able to win the division, and then who knows?
    I think Jennings and Morency will help alot. And they both had another week to recover, and we won without them! WITH them we should be greatly improved.
    And i think MM is gonna be all OVER the o-line this week in practice.
    We will see the results come sunday!
     
  9. tromadz

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    And the Colts won with amazing defensive play. End of story.

    jagoff.
     
  10. dhpackr

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    its the flaming spell checker! and peyton won MVP for a reason.
     
  11. wpr

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    Net, to answer your orignal question, I guess the debate isn't nor will it ever be over.
     
  12. tromadz

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    Colts forced: 2 interceptions, 4 fumbles

    When your defense does that, the offense gets the ball a lot more to do things, which is why the Colts won the TOP battle with 38:04 to 21:56

    And Manning, your man with the MVP, didn't even get 250 yards, and had 1 TD and 1 INT.

    Defense won that game for the Colts.

    End of story.
     
  13. dhpackr

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    and the 113 yards rushing by Rhodes, and the 77 yards rushing by Addai, had nothing to do with the win?
     
  14. Obi1

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    On the same token, IF the Colts did NOTHING after the tunovers, BEARS win that game. Colts offense scored the points...

    Having said that, I wish we had THIS defense and the 2003 Offense...
     
  15. tromadz

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    I like how you ignore things when it helps your argument. That's very Depack and Pyledriver80 of you.

    Because of their DEFENSIVE takeaways, the Colts offense had the ball damn near TWICE AS MUCH as the Bears, allowing them to run a LOT of offensive plays. Nobody said the Colts offense was bad.

    You FAIL.
     
  16. dhpackr

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    tell me flaming spell checker, what did i fail at? the first takeaway resulted in a punt, the second was a fumble on special teams, which had nothing to do with the colts defense, the third was a fumble by benson, but that led to a punt. I know reggie wayne caught a long pass for a TD. it was at least 50 yards. what did i lose at again. you are so silly. FSC that should be your new nickname. hahahahahaha!
     
  17. tromadz

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    so 1 of the 4 fumbles was on special teams. ok.

    And the fact that you think field position isn't important further shows how ignorant you are.

    YOU FAIL.
     
  18. MassPackersFan

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    I really wish we could stop bickering. It's amazing that we beat the Eagles, shutting down one of the best offenses in the league (2nd last year), and people are still complaining. Our offense will improve, no doubt about it.
     
  19. Pack93z

    Pack93z You retired too? .... Not me. I'm in my prime

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  20. tromadz

    tromadz Cheesehead

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    Nah, I put the jagoff on block. I just hope nobody quotes him because I'll be able to read his stupidity.

    I've argued with a lot of stupid people but this guy takes the cake.
     
  21. dhpackr

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    WTF, FSC, the turnovers resulted in punts, do you understand?
     
  22. tromadz

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    and ignore doesn't work. Wonderful.

    and you still FAIL at understanding field position.

    FAIL.
     
  23. dhpackr

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    more insight from the forum FLAMING SPELL CHECKER. if you try and discuss anything with him , and start to prove him wrong.
    Bang, the names fly.

    you proved your point
     
  24. MassPackersFan

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    Just make sense. That way people won't target you. Don't say crap like, "He dropped a ball at the goal line!" when it clearly isn't the case. It's hard to respect irrationality.
     
  25. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    I think of several far worse than he. If he'd jus tone his aggression down he'd have more people listening and less people wanting to see him get banned. Hopefully he can turn it around. I mean, gosh, football season is upon us. The Packers WON at HOME. Against a good team too!
     

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