brennan1884
Cheesehead
- Joined
- Feb 25, 2007
- Messages
- 841
- Reaction score
- 0
cant we all get along
pack_in_black said:For sure, Cheesey, and I'd be signing the petition. 1-8 would probably sway me to believe that the GM had failed, and a 13-28 record over the course of 2.5 seasons would be pretty unacceptable.
As it stands, TT is 20-21. That's pretty decent for a franchise that's had to almost completely rebuild/restructure its salary cap.
No one has been attacked or quoted from an old thread. This is basically just calling a spade a spade and saying that this year's been a helluva lot of fun so far, and we have the GM to thank, along with many others.
Okay,
I am obviously debating a losing battle here, and maybe rightfully so but for the record:
I never said that Ted does not deserve some credit for our winning record, he has made "some" great choices as it turns out.
My debate in a nutshell is that while MM is being nominated for coach of the week and may even get coach of the year and while Brett is being nominated for his 4th Fedex player of the week and is a strong second at the moment for the NFL MVP award next to Brady, for some reason we want to credit TT for the success of the 8-1 record.
Everyone deserves credit including TT for his picks, all I am saying is that I see our possible "Coach of the Year" and our "HOF QB" as having more to do with the "success right now" than TT.
Okay,
I am obviously debating a losing battle here, and maybe rightfully so but for the record:
I never said that Ted does not deserve some credit for our winning record, he has made "some" great choices as it turns out.
My debate in a nutshell is that while MM is being nominated for coach of the week and may even get coach of the year and while Brett is being nominated for his 4th Fedex player of the week and is a strong second at the moment for the NFL MVP award next to Brady, for some reason we want to credit TT for the success of the 8-1 record.
Everyone deserves credit including TT for his picks, all I am saying is that I see our possible "Coach of the Year" and our "HOF QB" as having more to do with the "success right now" than TT.
Okay,
I am obviously debating a losing battle here, and maybe rightfully so but for the record:
I never said that Ted does not deserve some credit for our winning record, he has made "some" great choices as it turns out.
My debate in a nutshell is that while MM is being nominated for coach of the week and may even get coach of the year and while Brett is being nominated for his 4th Fedex player of the week and is a strong second at the moment for the NFL MVP award next to Brady, for some reason we want to credit TT for the success of the 8-1 record.
Everyone deserves credit including TT for his picks, all I am saying is that I see our possible "Coach of the Year" and our "HOF QB" as having more to do with the "success right now" than TT.
WinnipegPackFan said:Okay,
I am obviously debating a losing battle here, and maybe rightfully so but for the record:
I never said that Ted does not deserve some credit for our winning record, he has made "some" great choices as it turns out.
My debate in a nutshell is that while MM is being nominated for coach of the week and may even get coach of the year and while Brett is being nominated for his 4th Fedex player of the week and is a strong second at the moment for the NFL MVP award next to Brady, for some reason we want to credit TT for the success of the 8-1 record.
Everyone deserves credit including TT for his picks, all I am saying is that I see our possible "Coach of the Year" and our "HOF QB" as having more to do with the "success right now" than TT.
Question for you.
Were you behind the McCarthy hire or did you want Jim Bates or someone else?
WinnipegPackFan said:Okay,
I am obviously debating a losing battle here, and maybe rightfully so but for the record:
I never said that Ted does not deserve some credit for our winning record, he has made "some" great choices as it turns out.
My debate in a nutshell is that while MM is being nominated for coach of the week and may even get coach of the year and while Brett is being nominated for his 4th Fedex player of the week and is a strong second at the moment for the NFL MVP award next to Brady, for some reason we want to credit TT for the success of the 8-1 record.
Everyone deserves credit including TT for his picks, all I am saying is that I see our possible "Coach of the Year" and our "HOF QB" as having more to do with the "success right now" than TT.
I agree with you.
It would be like my boss taking credit for all the hard work I do.
"Yeah, he works hard, but I was the guy who hired him so I should get 100% of the credit."
WinnipegPackFan said:Okay,
I am obviously debating a losing battle here, and maybe rightfully so but for the record:
I never said that Ted does not deserve some credit for our winning record, he has made "some" great choices as it turns out.
My debate in a nutshell is that while MM is being nominated for coach of the week and may even get coach of the year and while Brett is being nominated for his 4th Fedex player of the week and is a strong second at the moment for the NFL MVP award next to Brady, for some reason we want to credit TT for the success of the 8-1 record.
Everyone deserves credit including TT for his picks, all I am saying is that I see our possible "Coach of the Year" and our "HOF QB" as having more to do with the "success right now" than TT.
Sherman basically gave Favre to many free passes. McCarthy seems to have faith in Favre but also knows how to sort of push his buttons at the same time. Very Holmgrem like in my opinion in terms of how he handles Favre.
porky88 said:WinnipegPackFan said:Okay,
I am obviously debating a losing battle here, and maybe rightfully so but for the record:
I never said that Ted does not deserve some credit for our winning record, he has made "some" great choices as it turns out.
My debate in a nutshell is that while MM is being nominated for coach of the week and may even get coach of the year and while Brett is being nominated for his 4th Fedex player of the week and is a strong second at the moment for the NFL MVP award next to Brady, for some reason we want to credit TT for the success of the 8-1 record.
Everyone deserves credit including TT for his picks, all I am saying is that I see our possible "Coach of the Year" and our "HOF QB" as having more to do with the "success right now" than TT.
Sherman basically gave Favre to many free passes. McCarthy seems to have faith in Favre but also knows how to sort of push his buttons at the same time. Very Holmgrem like in my opinion in terms of how he handles Favre.
I disagree Porky.
This is where I have a big problem with some people here.
What you're saying Porky, is that McCarthy is the reason for Favre's success. How many people here were calling for Favre's head and saying that he "lost it", and should retire a few short months ago? How many wanted Aaron Rodgers to start over Favre? (and I have a feeling that a couple still do! )
How many are willing to "man up" and admit they were wrong about Favre after viciously attacking him?
Why won't you people admit that the Packers sucked in '04, '05, and somewhat, in '06? It's as if some people would rather attack and blame Favre rather than admit that the Packers were just not that good, and that Favre had no team around him, whatsoever. What...all of a sudden Favre un-sucks again? He is un-washed up?
Saying that it's because McCarthy is controlling him like some automaton is naive at best. What McCarthy is doing is being smart enough to know that Brett Favre can run this offense without the micro-manageing, control freak coaching style of those two simps, Sherman and Rossley. I give him credit for that! (So he asserting less control over Favre, not more!)
I have seen Favre make alot of calls at the line, changing the play that was called. To me, thats huge. It puts him more in control, as he has seen it all in his long career.
It shows faith in Favre by MM.
Maybe i'm wrong........but thats how it seems to me.
Sweet! I didn't see that show. It just seemed to me that Favre has really been alert at the line. He REALLY looks over the D, then you see him change up, and most of the time it seems to work. I have seen Peyton Manning do that all the time, and always wondered why they didn't let Brett do the same.cheesey said:I have seen Favre make alot of calls at the line, changing the play that was called. To me, thats huge. It puts him more in control, as he has seen it all in his long career.
It shows faith in Favre by MM.
Maybe i'm wrong........but thats how it seems to me.
you are correct..Brett has the ability to change the play, and its something that he really enjoys..He just talked about that on Larrys locker room
Of course, some of the credit goes to McCarthy as well, but that's the main reason, imo, that the things are so much better today then under the Sherman regime.
Some of the credit? Wow.
I mean Brett definately gets his for the huge role he plays in this but make no mistake, this is Mike McCarthy's scheme. McCarthy had to get Brett to buy into HIS system.
It wouldn't work if it wasn't a great system in the first place. We've seen many QB's struggle in systems that just don't work.
Brett didn't fall in line and get on board with this overnight either. He's been a work in progress getting to this point of having complete faith in this thing.
One player certainly hasn't won the last twelve out of thirteen ballgames. There's been a lot of football players brought in here that fit in with what they need them to do and they do it well.
That's on TT.
The success of ANY organization starts at the top with the people and the plan. Without that nothing going on below will work.
Greg C. said:Wow, the two of you really twisted things around here. By saying that Thompson appears to be doing a good job, I did not imply that he should get all the credit for the team's success so far this season. Obviously you need a coach to do the coaching and players to do the playing. To give the GM credit is not to take anything at all away from those guys. A successful organization has quality people at all levels.
I disagree Porky.
This is where I have a big problem with some people here.
What you're saying Porky, is that McCarthy is the reason for Favre's success. How many people here were calling for Favre's head and saying that he "lost it", and should retire a few short months ago? How many wanted Aaron Rodgers to start over Favre? (and I have a feeling that a couple still do! )
How many are willing to "man up" and admit they were wrong about Favre after viciously attacking him?
Why won't you people admit that the Packers sucked in '04, '05, and somewhat, in '06? It's as if some people would rather attack and blame Favre rather than admit that the Packers were just not that good, and that Favre had no team around him, whatsoever. What...all of a sudden Favre un-sucks again? He is un-washed up?
Saying that it's because McCarthy is controlling him like some automaton is naive at best. What McCarthy is doing is being smart enough to know that Brett Favre can run this offense without the micro-manageing, control freak coaching style of those two simps, Sherman and Rossley. I give him credit for that! (So he asserting less control over Favre, not more!)
I give TT credit for assembling some talent around Favre. I am surpriseed at the development of the WR's. That seems to be working out. As well as building the defense...and finally, the offensive line. I think TT made some definite big mistakes in his first two years (like with the O-line, WR's, and not using FA), but overall, is doing a pretty good job.
But the acid test, imo, is that if TT and the Packers can win when Favre retires...
If they do, then I will officially, "crown 'em"....
You must be logged in to see this image or video!
(Where TT "got lucky" is in Brett Favre deciding NOT to retire!)
Fuzznuts said:Of course, some of the credit goes to McCarthy as well, but that's the main reason, imo, that the things are so much better today then under the Sherman regime.
Some of the credit? Wow.
I mean Brett definately gets his for the huge role he plays in this but make no mistake, this is Mike McCarthy's scheme. McCarthy had to get Brett to buy into HIS system.
It wouldn't work if it wasn't a great system in the first place. We've seen many QB's struggle in systems that just don't work.
Brett didn't fall in line and get on board with this overnight either. He's been a work in progress getting to this point of having complete faith in this thing.
One player certainly hasn't won the last twelve out of thirteen ballgames. There's been a lot of football players brought in here that fit in with what they need them to do and they do it well.
That's on TT.
The success of ANY organization starts at the top with the people and the plan. Without that nothing going on below will work.
This is interesting Warhawk, because how many times have we heard the phrase, "TT and MM don't run the plays on the field. The team has to execute!" So, in essence, the coaches get a buy on criticism because they're not executing the plays, but they deserve a lion-share of the credit when the team is winning?
Well, where do we draw the line then? :wink:
Is winning in the execution by a player or players or is it the coach's strategizing/motivation of the team, or does the GM deserve all the credit for putting the chess pieces in place?
I tend to think it's the players...and when it comes right down to it, or rather, ONE player, or at least one POSITION that is most important on a football field, and that position is QB.
Look at how Peyton Manning has struggled by losing a few key players....
Look around the league and see how many teams have bad QB's, and are dying for a good QB to fill out there roster...
Remember when the trade talk was going around before the season and some posters even said that NO TEAM would want to have Brett Favre since he had no trade value being "old and washed up"...
Do you think some of those teams would like to have Favre in their huddle now?
That's the most important guy on the field, imo...the guy calling the plays in the huddle...