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Rouse is waiting, but I think he will take the job soon!

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  1. Pack93z

    Pack93z You retired too? .... Not me. I'm in my prime

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    Note the item below highlighted for those that ride Collins a bit.. again he is making the calls in the secondary.

    I would bet money that Rouse is starting next to Collins next year.. if not yet this year.

    http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=694174

    Packers safety can't net starts
    Despite impressive numbers, Rouse stuck in backup role
    By TOM SILVERSTEIN
    tsilverstein@journalsentinel.com
    Posted: Dec. 6, 2007
    Green Bay - There are comfort, experience and tackling considerations to make, but in determining whether Green Bay Packers rookie safety Aaron Rouse deserves to be a starter, the numbers don't lie.

    Nick Collins and Atari Bigby: 21 starts, one interception, 10 passes defended.

    Rouse: Three starts, two interceptions, four passes defended.

    If his numbers were projected over 12 games, Rouse would lead the team in interceptions and passes defended. Even he is left wondering how much better he would be if he were allowed to continue as a starter.

    "If I can get two picks in threes games, what do you think?" Rouse said Thursday.

    The third-round pick from Virginia Tech won't get to find out how much more he could have accomplished, because with the return of Collins from a knee injury suffered Nov. 4 against Kansas City, Rouse is out of the starting lineup.

    Instead of replacing either Collins or Bigby with the 6-foot-4, 223-pound Rouse, the coaches are sticking with the status quo. Even coming off a loss to the Dallas Cowboys in which both safeties - and the entire secondary, for that matter - played poorly.

    "It's disappointing," Rouse said. "At the same time, we're a team, and the object is to win a game, and if me being a backup helps us win a game, then I have to be one of those guys who makes a sacrifice so we can get to the Super Bowl."

    The Packers have been looking for stability at the safety position ever since Darren Sharper left after the 2004 season, and they thought they had it when Bigby beat out Marquand Manuel for a starting spot in training camp. Collins and Bigby give the Packers two solid tacklers with a working knowledge of the defense.

    Collins is faster and can cover more ground than Bigby, and Bigby is better playing near the line of scrimmage. Neither of the two is much when it comes to big plays, however. Together, they have forced three turnovers this season.

    Rouse, on the other hand, has displayed a knack for the ball during his short stint on the field. He had one interception, and nearly had two more, Nov. 18 against Carolina, and then the next week against Detroit had an interception, with the subsequent return turning the game around for the Packers.

    He might have had another interception, and possibly his first touchdown, in his very first game - a relief role at Minnesota Sept. 30 - after undercutting a route, but Vikings quarterback Kelly Holcomb saw him at the last second and wound up throwing the ball straight into the ground.

    "We allowed him to play, and the good thing about it is, he responded, given the opportunity," secondary coach Kurt Schottenheimer said. "It wasn't like he was a rookie. He's a take-charge guy. We are very fortunate to have him. The more he plays, the better he's performed. We feel comfortable with him."

    But. . . .

    "We're very comfortable with the other two guys," Schottenheimer said. "We recognize that Nick is the leader of that group, and understands all the checks and adjustments with great anticipation. He has great athleticism. Atari is a young player who continues to be impressive. What we're looking for is more consistency."

    Rouse, whose height and solid 40-yard dash time (4.58 seconds) make him an unusual prospect at safety, has shown much better ballhawking skills this year than he did during a horrible senior season with the Hokies, which might have been affected by a broken bone in his hand.

    Even while he was sidelined with a knee injury last week, Rouse attended jog-throughs and stood behind the safeties, preparing as though he was going to play. He has done the same thing this week, and because his knee is healthy, he has been able to take some snaps with the defense, too.

    "It's all about being prepared," Rouse said. "I take this job seriously. I'm always in my playbook."

    The biggest concern the coaches have with Rouse is with his tackling. In his first start, against Minnesota at Lambeau Field on Nov. 11, he missed at least three tackles because he took kill shots instead of wrapping up. His angular body and lack of flexibility make him susceptible to jukes and spin moves, and he has to be more fundamentally sound.

    The coaches have no problem with his reads.

    "His fits are good," Schottenheimer said. "He has to improve on his tackling. He has to get his hips down, get his legs involved more. He's a big, high-cut guy. He's got good upper (body strength), he just has to get his legs more involved."

    Defensive coordinator Bob Sanders was evasive about what role Rouse would play in the coming weeks and whether he would consider a change. Schottenheimer said that it was impractical to rotate the three and that Rouse would be a backup at both positions.

    "To me, in my eyes, you put your best players out there," Schottenheimer said. "I think if you get a guy out there who gets a feel for it and you start seeing the same reads, the run reads, the pass reads, he has a tremendous advantage because he sees it throughout the season.

    "Now is not the time you want to rotate guys in and so forth."
     
  2. wpr

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    I like Rouse's play. I think he will continue to grow as a safety for the Packers.
     
  3. billv

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    Bigby better play better soon.
     
  4. Zombieslayer

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    This says it all. I like INTs. INTs turn games around. Collins and Bigby aren't getting them. Screw hard hits. Hard hits only look good in highlight films. INTs win games.

    Rouse seems to keep his eye on the ball better than Collins or Bigby. I want to see him start soon.
     
  5. all about da packers

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    I recently read in a Packersnews article (I think) a source that has knowledge about the scheme Sanders is running saying the Safety positions are interchangable within this scheme.

    If true, I would think Rouse and Collins would be the best Safety pairing, because Bigby's play has dipped lately.

    Not sure what it is with Bigby, perhaps he just needs experience to realize you can play with aggression without ripping off helmets and grabbing face masks.

    Things should get very interesting next year, assuming Bigby is resigned.
     
  6. Zombieslayer

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    I would resign Bigby because he's decent, and we could use the depth. But I'd be starting Rouse. I think that's what we'll see next year.
     
  7. bozz_2006

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    like the article mentions, Rouse has to learn how to tackle before he can be a defensive starter. Interceptions are nice, but if you can't tackle, you can't play. especially in the safety position. the safety is the 'safety net', the player that absolutely has to tackle because there's no one else to do it if the safety whiffs.
     
  8. DoddPower

    DoddPower Nick Perry is watching you, NFL QB's!

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    Not sure if it would work or not, but someone mentioned putting Rouse in the nickel, or at least dime packages. Maybe have him play some zone coverage , which seems to really fit his style. This sounds like a good idea to me. The only reason I couldn't see it working would be because he isn't fast enough to stick with receiver's in man-to-man coverage. But, do we really think he would play worse then Bush? Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like it could work, especially if Harris and Woodson are bumping and running and Rouse and maybe bush or Barnett playing zone.

    Also, anyone have a clue why Tramon Williams isn't getting the nickel back spot over Bush?
     
  9. Zombieslayer

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    I don't see Rouse in the nickel position. Not his strength.

    And no, I have no clue by Williams isn't our nickel back. Maybe by the end of the season, he will be.
     
  10. bozz_2006

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    bush has one subpar game, after all the improvement he's done over the course of the season, and we're ready to throw him under the bus? If you think that Bush was the reason the Packers lost to the Cowboys, you're nuts.
     
  11. tromadz

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    How easy people forget the Ahmad Carroll days. It's like, if a CB doesn't play at a pro bowl level, cut them!

    Give the young guys a break, they can only get better.
     
  12. DoddPower

    DoddPower Nick Perry is watching you, NFL QB's!

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    ugghhh, where did I say I thought Bush lost us the Cowboy game? I'm not even saying "he sucks" or anything like that. I just don't know why he starts over Williams. And I don't need to hear "the coaches know more then you do" rhetoric. OF COURSE they do. But everything that I've seen on gameday from Williams has been solid and I'm going to continue to want him to start over Bush until he proves otherwise. Some people just really shine under the spotlight. I think Bush would be a good dime dime back. Young players need time to improve, I agree, but in my opinion, I see more upside to Williams then bush.
     
  13. bozz_2006

    bozz_2006 Cheesehead

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    i'm not referring to you alone.
     
  14. DoddPower

    DoddPower Nick Perry is watching you, NFL QB's!

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    k. don't mean to sound too grouchy, but finals week has been killing me.

    Either way, I stand by williams! The only plus i could see bush having over him is that bush is 6'0 tall and williams is only 5'11. But still ..
     
  15. bozz_2006

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    I like Williams too. I don't have any insider info, but my inclination is that the team is sticking with Bush to preserve a sense of continuity.
     
  16. dhpackr

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    Do you think Collins is calling plays on Defense????
     
  17. bozz_2006

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    he's doing all the reads.
     
  18. dhpackr

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    I see Barnett being the QB on defense. I do not know how it would work out with Collins trying to tell Harris & Woodson where to play.

    I kind of disagree w/the article when it stated the Packers have not had a solid S since Sharper. I really miss LeRoy Butler.

    I guess I'd like to see Rouse at SS and Collins at Free. interchangeable S does not make much sense. Wouldn't you want a solid SS that can call plays & cover a TE? Then add a ball hawking FS.
     
  19. pack_in_black

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    I think that Williams has looked good due to his limited p.t. Bush has had some tough matchups, and I think he has quite a lot more upside than Tramon. JMO, but I likey what I've seen when Bush has a good day.
     
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    I think Bush's style of play suits the defensive scheme we are going for better than Tramon's. Like packinblack said, on Bush's good days, he's shut down in man coverage.
     
  21. pack_in_black

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    With all due respect, this is from the article.

    I take that to mean Collins, as the leader, calls the checks and adjustments
     
  22. dhpackr

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    I do not take it that way at all, JMO.
     
  23. bozz_2006

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    how do you take it?
     
  24. DoddPower

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    But that doesn't really make sense to me. That's the same as saying when Bigby has a good day, it's really good as well. But he hasn't had one of those in awhile. Now, I love Bigby, but I love the Packers more, and I want the best players in at all times, especially ball hogs that are 6'4. One good day and 3 bad chalks up to be overall bad. Just generally speaking.

    I agree with the limited playing time for Tramon, but what more can you ask from someone? A player makes the most of the playing time he's being given, and performs well, why wouldn't they get a few more opportunities to continue to develop?

    And if healthy, I think Blackmon may have more upside then both of them. There's got to be some reason he wasn't placed on the injured reserve, especially after what happened with Wynn.
     
  25. Zombieslayer

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    Bozz - I actually agree with DH here. Just by watching, it appears that Barnett is the one who's QB'ing the D. I may be wrong, but that's what it looks like to me.
     

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