Ravens duds and studs

[OldSchool101]

That blows my mind that other teams before us didn't....

Sounds like after more reading up on Diggs. He feels like he’s of value today. The Packers being closely linked to David Mulghetta is key on this one. Crossed with Micah being a close friend and tweeting “we’re back!” Tripled with we are in playoffs and likely favored to be a contender next season again. Just an internal logistics and team appeal and personal ties all crossing made those just a perfect storm.

This is a gamble, but I’m telling you he’s a smidge better than JA overall and also a better chance of regaining form. Dallas or Chicago better pray this doesn’t workout for Green Bay in 2025-2026

 

[Pkrjones]

Agree.

Yes, no other team has a Derrick Henry, but a steady dose of runs up the middle and short passes, is all that is needed to move the ball against the Packers.

No other team has a monstrous OL, a 300lb fullback, and a 250lb. running back to go against our injury depleted DL. The GB D fared pretty well all year stopping the run, Baltimore was tge worst of all worlds. Philly & SF will be almost as bad of a matchup with similar run games but better passing games (unless Hurts continues current play).

 

[OldSchool101]

lol I’ve watched film, looked at his stats…..if he was the player your claiming he is never waived…

Dallas is a strange animal Tyni. They double down on stupid like this.

 

[OldSchool101]

No other team has a monstrous OL, a 300lb fullback, and a 250lb. running back to go against our injury depleted DL. The GB D fared pretty well all year stopping the run, Baltimore was tge worst of all worlds. Philly & SF will be almost as bad of a matchup with similar run games but better passing games (unless Hurts continues current play).

I agree. I had a vision of facing SF49ers and it didn’t end well! Our Kryptonite is a high echelon Rushing team with a Top 5 OL and QB who can burn you. While Purdy isn’t Lamar or Huntley on his feet, he’s very crafty and deceptive. Also McCaffrey isn’t powerful like Henry, but he makes up for it being very well rounded.

I still don’t think GB will get caught flat footed again to the extent we saw last week. We were fortunate that hard lesson so far cost us nothing but pride. The silver lining is Detroit had a similar defeat and locked our ticket. Thus giving us a pseudo bye week.

 

[milani]

Sounds like after more reading up on Diggs. He feels like he’s of value today. The Packers being closely linked to David Mulghetta is key on this one. Crossed with Micah being a close friend and tweeting “we’re back!” Tripled with we are in playoffs and likely favored to be a contender next season again. Just an internal logistics and team appeal and personal ties all crossing made those just a perfect storm.

This is a gamble, but I’m telling you he’s a smidge better than JA overall and also a better chance of regaining form. Dallas or Chicago better pray this doesn’t workout for Green Bay in 2025-2026

And experience is what we need.

 

[OldSchool101]

And experience is what we need.

Honestly I would’ve been elated just to have a Stokes like CB on our Roster as a 3rd option and I’m not even a fan of his, but I think he’s adequate to lower starter level.
Here if we somehow get 85%-90% of Trevon’s potential? we get better than an average CB. Call it our 2nd best CB on any given day.

Diggs also has preferred size at 6’1.5” X205lb. He unofficially ran a 4.43 and I think a huge help to him having a keen nose for the ball is he’s a converted Receiver.

Here’s a fun clip of our boys

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[rmontro]

I think honestly to go further than the first round of the playoffs, its a must to get WAY better in the trenches.. till we do that...we are who we thought we were.

That might be doable if we were healthy, but we're not. We don't have the kind of depth on the lines to withstand the injuries we've sustained.

 

[Heyjoe4]

15 roster moves in 2 days in the last week of the season. I give him credit for trying. Trying to find a way to win a game, any game.

That's certainly one good cgaracter trait of Gluten - he never gives up.

 

[Heyjoe4]

No no. When I said “close” I meant as in “friends with” Micah Parsons.

As far as Dallas not wanting a player that has very little to do with a players value. You know that by evidence of how Dallas didn’t want Parsons and he’s one of the best to set foot on the field. Dallas for all we know could be stacking mistakes.

There’s a coin flip that this is the 2nd best FA signing we’ve made in the Gutey era. I’m being 100% serious.

Well I certainly hope you're right.

That might be doable if we were healthy, but we're not. We don't have the kind of depth on the lines to withstand the injuries we've sustained.

Agreed. I'd take a first round playoff win over the Bears as a successful season.

 

[Pugger]

15 roster moves in 2 days in the last week of the season. I give him credit for trying. Trying to find a way to win a game, any game.

Trying to find healthy bodies too.

 

[OldSchool101]

And experience is what we need.

Honestly I would’ve been elated just to have a Stokes like CB on our Roster as a 3rd option and I’m not even a fan of his. imo we were dangerously thin at CB.

 

[Pugger]

Agree.

I think this might have been the worst outcome of that game. The Ravens carved up the Packers D, with a backup QB no less. Any team that the Packers face in the playoffs, would be insanely stupid not to attack it in the same way. Yes, no other team has a Derrick Henry, but a steady dose of runs up the middle and short passes, is all that is needed to move the ball against the Packers.

Yup, but how many of the teams in the playoffs now have the power running game Baltimore has? With our issues on the DL we really shouldn't have been surprised we had problems stopping their ground game. I'm positive whoever we play next weekend will attempt to pound us like that too.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No other team has a monstrous OL, a 300lb fullback, and a 250lb. running back to go against our injury depleted DL. The GB D fared pretty well all year stopping the run, Baltimore was tge worst of all worlds. Philly & SF will be almost as bad of a matchup with similar run games but better passing games (unless Hurts continues current play).

The Bears carved us up in both games as well. They gained 138 and 150 yards on the ground in our 2 games with them.

So while the defense had a handful of games where they were able to stop the run effectively, that wasn't the case against the Bears, Ravens and the following teams:

- Panthers: 163 yds
- Eagles: 183
- Giants: 142
- Lions (game 2): 119

I would even go as far to say that against the following teams we weren't very effective at stopping the run either, but since they didn't rush the ball much, the total yardage didn't exceed 100 yds.

- Steelers: 5.16 yd/carry
- Vikings: 4.65
- Cowboys: 4.5
- Browns: 5.05


If I did my math right, that is 11 out of 16 games where the defense wasn't very good against the run. The loss of both Wyatt and Parsons has definitely impacted the defense in a negative way. If I am an opposing OC, I am running the balls right at the Packers defense.

 

[OldSchool101]

The Bears carved us up in both games as well. They gained 138 and 150 yards on the ground in our 2 games with them.

So while the defense had a handful of games where they were able to stop the run effectively, that wasn't the case against the Bears, Ravens and the following teams:

- Panthers: 163 yds
- Eagles: 183
- Giants: 142
- Lions (game 2): 119

I would even go as far to say that against the following teams we weren't very effective at stopping the run either, but since they didn't rush the ball much, the total yardage didn't exceed 100 yds.

- Steelers: 5.16 yd/carry
- Vikings: 4.65
- Cowboys: 4.5
- Browns: 5.05


If I did my math right, that is 11 out of 16 games where the defense wasn't very good against the run. The loss of both Wyatt and Parsons has definitely impacted the defense in a negative way. If I am an opposing OC, I am running the balls right at the Packers defense.

While there’s no argument we’re coming off a historically bad game and certainly I understand people are ultra sensitive about that part, we have to remember that doesn’t imply the team is going to play the #1 Rushing Offense and see 53 carries or whatever. Not to mention I’d expect we’re reviewing tape and making D adjustments to mitigate previous mistakes. I’d also caution that not every team has the capacity of talent to achieve 300+ yards on the ground or 5+ per carry. Not long ago GB was averaging like 3.7 per carry with 12 games logged. While losing Wyatt hurts, that wasn’t all Devonte Wyatt either.

Chicago and Baltimore in particular are 2 of the top 3 Rushing teams in the entire league. Ranked #3 and #1 respectively. It’s unlikely GB sees Baltimore again or Buffalo but if we do we made the SB. All the other great teams are.. well? spectators. We played that pair 3 of the last 4 weeks. That in itself is an anomoly.
Yet that elite Chicago team rushed 50 times at 4.98 per carry in regulation that’s across a nice sample of 2 contests and even with the help of our fumble and an extra quarter they could barely muster 21.5 per game.

More recently, it’s a fact that the GB D stymied Chicago for 8 Quarters and 37 points or 18.5 per game. So while in theory saying Chicago can just run it at 5.5 for 50+ just extrapolates and sounds wonderful, The reality is Chicago went 10 of 27 on 3rd down. Lost the first contest and should’ve lost the 2nd one. Again I get the frustration over that Baltimore game and I watched it also, it was miserable Chicago does not strike fear in me like what I saw at Baltimore, because I just watched them 2X.

You can’t fumble to the opponent at the 2 min mark. That gave Chicago TWO more possessions and that’s what lost that game. It wasn’t the 5.0 per that lost those meetings. It was the turnover and GB OFFENSE scoring an awful 16 points after moving up n down the field. 1 more O TD and it’s
2-0 and 5-0 in the Division and this entire conversation goes away.

 

[rmontro]

The Bears carved us up in both games as well. They gained 138 and 150 yards on the ground in our 2 games with them.

Fortunately, they had trouble stopping us as well. I don't know if that would still be the case, we've fallen a few notches since we last played them. Part of that might be some psychological damage to the way we lost to them.

 

[Magooch]

Considering the impact of Wyatt's absence*...

In weeks 1-12 (he was injured Wk 12), we were ranked:
13th in Total Defensive EPA
12th in Defensive Rush EPA
17th in Defensive Rush Success Rate**

And for full context that also includes:
10th in Total Defensive Success Rate
16th in Defensive Passing EPA
7th in Defensive Passing Success Rate

Following that injury, in weeks 13-16 we dropped to:
28th in Total Defensive EPA (-15)
22nd in Defensive Rush EPA (-10)
31st in Defensive Rush Success Rate (-14)

and...
30th in Total Defensive Success Rate (-20)
28th in Defensive Passing EPA (-12)
23rd in Defensive Passing Success Rate (-16)

*Of course, this is a relatively small sample window, and also includes the injury to Parsons for the majority of it.

**For those who are not aware, "Success Rate" is basically measuring how well an offense/defense executes when it comes to "staying on schedule."
It is the percentage of plays that gain A.) 40% of required yardage on 1st down; B.) 60% of required yardage on 2nd down; and C.) 100% of required yardage on 3rd or 4th down - either a conversion or touchdown.
So a "successful play" would gain 4+ yards on 1st and 10, or 6+ yards on 2nd and 10, or 10+ yards or a TD on 3rd/4th and 10. Alternatively, if a team gains 4 yards on 1st and 10, 4 yards (3.6) on 2nd and 6, and picks up the remaining 2+ yards on 3rd and 2, all three would be considered successful plays.
Defensively is of course just the opposite - it's how often you're able to prevent the offense from keeping "on schedule" and gaining the requisite yards as defined above.

To put it simply one might also reasonably conclude that Success Rate better captures "efficiency" or "consistency" but measures such as EPA are better at accounting for "explosive plays" or the like. You have "bend but don't break" teams who might allow the opponent to drive with some consistency, but they keep everything in front of them and don't give up explosive home-run type plays. They will likely have a lower success rate but more favorable (relatively speaking) defensive EPA measure. On the other hand a "high risk, high reward" defense that gives up some big shots every now and then but generally doesn't allow a ton of long drives might have a worse (again, relatively) defensive EPA but better success rate.

And a defense like ours right now - ranking low in both success rate and (pass and rush) EPA against - is basically letting opponents move the ball at will

 

[milani]

Fortunately, they had trouble stopping us as well. I don't know if that would still be the case, we've fallen a few notches since we last played them. Part of that might be some psychological damage to the way we lost to them.

The Bears will play to win the game and stay healthy for the next round.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm not going to go digging for it, but I would love to know the time of possession for our opponents offenses, against us, in all our losses. My hunch would be that our defense was on the field, more than our offense. That can be a recipe for disaster, especially late in the game. Too many times it felt like our defense was tired and slow, and tgat us when a good running offense can just run you over.

I hope Hafley decides to bring the safeties up closer to the LOS, tighten up the box and make the other teams try to beat us with long completions.

 

[milani]

I'm not going to go digging for it, but I would love to know the time of possession for our opponents offenses, against us, in all our losses. My hunch would be that our defense was on the field, more than our offense. That can be a recipe for disaster, especially late in the game. Too many times it felt like our defense was tired and slow, and tgat us when a good running offense can just run you over.

I hope Hafley decides to bring the safeties up closer to the LOS, tighten up the box and make the other teams try to beat us with long completions.

The game that might defy that was the loss at Cleveland.

 

[rmontro]

I'm not going to go digging for it, but I would love to know the time of possession for our opponents offenses, against us, in all our losses. My hunch would be that our defense was on the field, more than our offense. That can be a recipe for disaster, especially late in the game.

What you say makes sense, but I looked up the game where the Bears beat us - thinking that would help explain our collapse against them. But the Packers actually led in TOP by a good margin - 38:57 to 26:13. Kind of makes me even more disgusted with that loss.

 

[rmontro]

The Bears will play to win the game and stay healthy for the next round.

While we will leave it all on the table? Of course if they don't beat us there is no next week for them. Sounds like you're suggesting they might look past us.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What you say makes sense, but I looked up the game where the Bears beat us - thinking that would help explain our collapse against them. But the Packers actually led in TOP by a good margin - 38:57 to 26:13. Kind of makes me even more disgusted with that loss.

I think this game was an anomoly. Much like the Packers NFCCG against the Seahawks, everything bad that could happen, did.

Which is also why I'm hoping for a 3rd game against the Bears.

 

[adambr2]

While we will leave it all on the table? Of course if they don't beat us there is no next week for them. Sounds like you're suggesting they might look past us.

I thought he was referring to Week 18.

 

[rmontro]

I think this game was an anomoly. Much like the Packers NFCCG against the Seahawks, everything bad that could happen, did.
Which is also why I'm hoping for a 3rd game against the Bears.

We won the first game, and should have won the second. Feels like we're pretty depleted now though for a round three. I will be watching of course, but that's what my gut says.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We won the first game, and should have won the second. Feels like we're pretty depleted now though for a round three. I will be watching of course, but that's what my gut says.

A war of attrition.

With all the injuries that we see in the NFL, I am still disappointed that rosters haven't been bumped up to 60 players.