Ravens duds and studs

[Heyjoe4]

Studs: Malik, it was nice having you. Congrats on the your upcoming payday and good luck with your next team.

Duds: This team is done for the year.

Hey Expat, what do you think Willis will get as a FA? He sure looks like a starter, but it's still only 4 or 5 games. IMO a risk-averse GM will offer a one-year prove-it deal for $20-$25 mil. If he lights it up, then the GM is gonna have to pay more to keep him.

I'm wondering if there are GMs out there who will sign him to a 3-year deal, and at what AAV?

Hate losing him, but he's too good to be a backup.

 

[adambr2]

Hey Expat, what do you think Willis will get as a FA? He sure looks like a starter, but it's still only 4 or 5 games. IMO a risk-averse GM will offer a one-year prove-it deal for $20-$25 mil. If he lights it up, then the GM is gonna have to pay more to keep him.

I'm wondering if there are GMs out there who will sign him to a 3-year deal, and at what AAV?

Hate losing him, but he's too good to be a backup.

It’ll be something like Justin Fields got IMO. 2/40 or so.

 

[ExpatPacker]

Hey Expat, what do you think Willis will get as a FA? He sure looks like a starter, but it's still only 4 or 5 games. IMO a risk-averse GM will offer a one-year prove-it deal for $20-$25 mil. If he lights it up, then the GM is gonna have to pay more to keep him.

I'm wondering if there are GMs out there who will sign him to a 3-year deal, and at what AAV?

Hate losing him, but he's too good to be a backup.

My guess would be 8 mil/yr as a floor, and closer to what adambr2 says, assuming he's signed to be a starting QB. Plenty of teams out there need a QB and won't be finding one in the draft. I doubt Willis would accept a 1-yr deal from a cautious GM. I'd be very surprised if some team didn't offer him a multi-year.

 

[DoURant]

It’ll be something like Justin Fields got IMO. 2/40 or so.

I think he will be more in the range of 2/50-55M or 3/80M. Darnold got 3/100M, I don't think he will get that much, with only a handful of starts. One thing Willis can do 10 times better than Fields, is throw. You can't be just a running QB in this league, and essentially that's what Fields is.

 

[Heyjoe4]

It’ll be something like Justin Fields got IMO. 2/40 or so.

Sounds about right. Thanks Adam. If Willis stays ascendant, he could join the $50 mil plus club in a couple of years. But he'll have to prove it first. Even so, he's gonna get a big raise next year, and he earned it.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think he will be more in the range of 2/50-55M or 3/80M. Darnold got 3/100M, I don't think he will get that much, with only a handful of starts. One thing Willis can do 10 times better than Fields, is throw. You can't be just a running QB in this league, and essentially that's what Fields is.

Good points D. Yeah 2/50-55 seems about right. If I was Willis, or his agent, I'd aim for a 1/25 deal and then get a big extension after one year. IMO he doesn't have enough film to justify a big deal now. He'll probably get there though. He sure looks like a starter. Good for him. He deserves a raise.

And he's a helluva lot better than Fields.

 

[Heyjoe4]

My guess would be 8 mil/yr as a floor, and closer to what adambr2 says, assuming he's signed to be a starting QB. Plenty of teams out there need a QB and won't be finding one in the draft. I doubt Willis would accept a 1-yr deal from a cautious GM. I'd be very surprised if some team didn't offer him a multi-year.

Thanks Expat.

It will be interesting. He could probably get a 3/90 deal at the max. Or take a 1/25 deal, play lights out, and get a big extension with guaranteed money in 2027.

Either way he's gonna get a well-deserved raise next year. And Gluten can add "backup QB" to his shopping list, which is getting longer........

 

[Pugger]

Stud:
Willis
Watson

Dud:
Def & Hafley

I don't know if Hafley is a dud. You can only work with what ya got. This defense is a shell of what it once was.

I recall a couple of years ago when the 49ers got decimated like this. Going into that season they were SB favorites. If memory serves they missed the playoffs completely. You can overcome only so many injury hits. It really sucks.

 

[GB2016]

Stud:
Willis
Watson

Dud:
Def & Hafley

Way overrated...it's called the " Peter Principle"

 

[Pugger]

I know we are all ready to send this coaching staff packing but I want to give a major stud to MLF and those responsible for the development of Willis. He was languishing in TN and was regarded as a big time bust. He blossomed into a legit franchise QB in Green Bay. The unfortunate thing is we cannot keep him so we'll only get a compensatory pick for him.

 

[Pugger]

Another crazy thing about last night is the Steelers should beat the Browns today and the Ravens will be cleaning out their lockers next weekend.

 

[adambr2]

I don't know if Hafley is a dud. You can only work with what ya got. This defense is a shell of what it once was.

I recall a couple of years ago when the 49ers got decimated like this. Going into that season they were SB favorites. If memory serves they missed the playoffs completely. You can overcome only so many injury hits. It really sucks.

Some here after the Parsons injury said it was basically still the exact same top defense that it was last year without Parsons.

 

[Pugger]

Some here after the Parsons injury said it was basically still the exact same top defense that it was last year without Parsons.

I don't think this DL is the same as it was last year and I'm not talking about just Kenny Clark.

 

[Half Empty]

My stud is not watching and saving several hours of frustration.

 

[DoURant]

Studs:
- Willis, all he does is play solid football everytime he is asked. He is so likeable, you can't "not" root for that guy to be successful wherever he ends up next year. That TD to Watson... I don't think Love would have attempted that pass, I just don't.
- Watson, he is our #1 WR, without a doubt.
- Doubs, very nice compliment to Watson in the passing game.

Duds:
- The Run Defense... or lack there of. Just an embarrassing performance last night.
- Our running game, aside for Willis, our RB's had 7/19 yds, 3/16 by Wilson with Tune at QB at the end of the game.
- Kamal Hadden's injury...I saw the video, just gotta feel for the guy.

 

[DoURant]

My stud is not watching and saving several hours of frustration.

I'm jealous... although you missed Willis and how awesome he performed.

 

[Half Empty]

I'm jealous... although you missed Willis and how awesome he performed.

That would have been nice, but, as with so many games this year, the pain would have outweighed the gain.

 

[gopkrs]

I don't know if Hafley is a dud. You can only work with what ya got. This defense is a shell of what it once was.

I recall a couple of years ago when the 49ers got decimated like this. Going into that season they were SB favorites. If memory serves they missed the playoffs completely. You can overcome only so many injury hits. It really sucks.

What I didn't like is Hafley let his corners and linebackers play so far off. The corners allowed for easy 8 yard passes and the linebackers playing too deep allowed the running game to get momentum and start right off downhill.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't think this DL is the same as it was last year and I'm not talking about just Kenny Clark.

True. Yet let’s be frank here.
On Saturday, the Packers most experienced DT is a 1st year converted NT along with Brooks, who primary strength is leaning Pass Rush. Then they are backed by a Rookie 6th Round pick and a DT signed off the Giants Practice Squad this December. Behind them is a Rookie UDFA and another DT signed in December 2025. That in itself should’ve told us we’re in dire straits.

 

[OldSchool101]

What I didn't like is Hafley let his corners and linebackers play so far off. The corners allowed for easy 8 yard passes and the linebackers playing too deep allowed the running game to get momentum and start right off downhill.

We were waaaay too late loading the Box. The game plan from play #1 should have been to make Huntley beat us past 20 yards. Single High on play #1.
In addition, Baltimore took notes. Both the Steelers, Carolina and Bears used Jumbo packages and had some good success. The Ravens mirrored that on play #1 and when I saw it I immediately knew their global game plan was Run Heavy. We didn’t react until Baltimore was knocking on their 1st TD and you can’t let a 11 play drive like that happen.

Early in we had 3 guys on the DL and massive Gaps. Once momentum gets rolling it’s hard to stop. Our big guys are not seasoned enough to handle 50+ Runs. They were gassed by the middle of possession #2. The only antidote was to activate an extra DT and literally line up 4 DT and 4 LB behind them. You don’t need to play Dime in this type game. This should’ve been loaded boxes and this guys wouldn’t need rotation on 6-7 play drives. I

I get wanting to keep players fresh. But did light boxes keep our players fresh on Defense? Not in Jumbo packages. 1 less Safety and 1 more DT. By the time Haf realized this we were 10 minutes to 1 minute and 23 running plays into the nightmare.

Also Oliver should’ve been activated and I would’ve had him lining up and shooting downhill. Unless he was crippled he’s a 240lb+ LB with blazing downhill speed and a high echelon pop. Unless he’s crippled he’s on that field. This wasn’t about studying their game plan it was about pound for pound and forcing them to go vertical.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Studs:

Willis - too good not to keep. Unfortunately he priced himself out of GB.

Watson - you got to hand it to him, he IS an impact player

Doubs - consistently inconsistent, but made some great catches and stretched the defense at times.

Duds:

Dline and LBs - worst performance of the year.
Oline - Rhyan is not a center - injury thrust into it.
Entire defensive backfield - chicken sht tackling and the players acted like they didnt want to be playing.

All in all, with all of the injuries, this team cannot go with 3rd and 4th string practice squad call ups. Gary and LVN just signed their tickets to be moved promptly. This was the worst defensive performance I can remember and there have been a lot of putrid samples. I accept the ridiculous excuse of too many injuries for one team to overcome. This team will not win another game regardless of who plays QB.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Dud: Hafley The Packers were probably fully aware that they would be facing a Ravens team without Lamar Jackson. What should that mean for the Packer defense? Prepare for a LOT of Henry, short passes and QB draws from Huntley.

I am not an X and O guy but way too many times I saw Hafley line his defense up with 1 guy (Walker) standing alone in the middle of the field. I mean WTF Jeff? Our DL can barely stop small backs when they run up the middle, you really expect to contain Henry in that formation? He really didn't expect that Huntley wouldn't be licking his chops when he sees Walker standing all alone in the middle of the field? In the 2nd half, Hafley did make an adjustment for awhile, and crowded 3 LB's into the middle and it was more effective in stopping Henry and Huntley. Then they got away from it again and left Walker alone to cover the middle.

Edgerrin Cooper looked lost last night.

When was the last Packer sack in a game?

When was the last time that the Packer defense actually forced a turnover?

Is Xavier McKinney still on the field? I rarely see him in any plays.

I have my issues with MLF and his play calling, but last night the defense clearly lost the game for the Packers. Not sure why there is all this chatter about Hafley being hired as a HC. After last night, I question what he can do as a DC.

 

[Pugger]

Studs:

Willis - too good not to keep. Unfortunately he priced himself out of GB.

Watson - you got to hand it to him, he IS an impact player

Doubs - consistently inconsistent, but made some great catches and stretched the defense at times.

Duds:

Dline and LBs - worst performance of the year.
Oline - Rhyan is not a center - injury thrust into it.
Entire defensive backfield - chicken sht tackling and the players acted like they didnt want to be playing.

All in all, with all of the injuries, this team cannot go with 3rd and 4th string practice squad call ups. Gary and LVN just signed their tickets to be moved promptly. This was the worst defensive performance I can remember and there have been a lot of putrid samples. I accept the ridiculous excuse of too many injuries for one team to overcome. This team will not win another game regardless of who plays QB.

I thought LVN played better than Gary.

 

[gopkrs]

Dud: Hafley The Packers were probably fully aware that they would be facing a Ravens team without Lamar Jackson. What should that mean for the Packer defense? Prepare for a LOT of Henry, short passes and QB draws from Huntley.

I am not an X and O guy but way too many times I saw Hafley line his defense up with 1 guy (Walker) standing alone in the middle of the field. I mean WTF Jeff? Our DL can barely stop small backs when they run up the middle, you really expect to contain Henry in that formation? He really expect that Huntley isn't licking his chops when he sees Walker standing all alone in the middle of the field? In the 2nd half, Hafley did make an adjustment for awhile, and crowded 3 LB's into the middle and it was more effective in stopping Henry and Huntley. Then they got away from it again and left Walker alone to cover the middle.

Edgerrin Cooper looked lost last night.

When was the last Packer sack in a game?

When was the last time that the Packer defense actually forced a turnover?

Is Xavier McKinney still on the field? I rarely see him in any plays.

I have my issues with MLF and his play calling, but last night the defense clearly lost the game for the Packers. Not sure why there is all this chatter about Hafley being hired as a HC. After last night, I question what he can do as a DC.

You make a great point about how the linebackers were lined up. If you hadn't mentioned Cooper; I could have agreed with you. Also, the corners are playing way too loose. I'd rather get beat deep then see 7 to 12 minute drives against us.

 

[gopkrs]

I thought LVN played better than Gary.

Maybe. Is that saying alot?