Prospects You Love

[ThePerfectBeard]

Its not happening this year because the talent just isnt there and the board on receivers isn"t gonna stop moving because some people on Packer Forum dont think there any good. Teams still need receivers and is a coveted position more so then ever with rule changes which consistently takes us back to the guy you hate to hear about "Courtland Sutton". Teams will reach for receivers. They wont reach for ILB's.

Nobody has shown me on this forum a prospect that will in reality be there in the second round thats gonna have the impact the guys we drafted in the second in the past with the exception to Callaway who has red flags.

No one has showed you a prospect that will realistically be there because you won't listen. No matter who we list, you'll say they're not good enough or will never amount to anything.

Let's address what is actually happening here. You're obsessed with Sutton and you're going to stomp your feet like a child until he's drafted.

 

[brandon2348]

I am warming up to Miller though. He has serious stength for a guy his size. He jumps out of gym but is another 5'11 guy. We already have that guy(while not as athletic) in Cobb and Monty. We need someone outside and not another slot guy.

 

[brandon2348]

No one has showed you a prospect that will realistically be there because you won't listen. No matter who we list, you'll say they're not good enough or will never amount to anything.

Let's address what is actually happening here. You're obsessed with Sutton and you're going to stomp your feet like a child until he's drafted.

It's not that i dont like them its that there all pretty much guys that will play in the slot

 

[GleefulGary]

Its not happening this year because the talent just isnt there and the board on receivers isn"t gonna stop moving because some people on Packer Forum dont think there any good. Teams still need receivers and is a coveted position more so then ever with rule changes which consistently takes us back to the guy you hate to hear about "Courtland Sutton". Teams will reach for receivers. They wont reach for ILB's.

Nobody has shown me on this forum a prospect that will in reality be there in the second round thats gonna have the impact the guys we drafted in the second in the past with the exception to Callaway who has red flags.

DJ Moore
Anthony Miller

 

[brandon2348]

I suppose we could draft safeties to play corner too. Wait, weve already done that. Lol

 

[PackFan2]

An actual comp that I saw for Callaway was Sterling Sharpe. I'm not sure I would go that far, but he's definitely talented. As someone else here said, he just had a child so it might help get him straight. I would love to take a chance on him in the mid to late rounds. He has all the talent in the world, but had crappy qb play and ridiculously bad off-field issues.

Yeah lol. Some player comps are just ridiculous.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Graham is the second or third WR on this team, depending on how you want to look at it.

I still prefer to look at Graham as a TE and hope the Packers can rely on him and Cobb to work the middle of the field, while Adams and a player to be determined later, are working the outside and deep.

Without production from someone else, I don't see the Packers passing game strong enough to just rely on Adams, Graham and Cobb to carry the load and that gets even worse, if one or more of them are injured.

 

[brandon2348]

No one has showed you a prospect that will realistically be there because you won't listen. No matter who we list, you'll say they're not good enough or will never amount to anything.

Let's address what is actually happening here. You're obsessed with Sutton and you're going to stomp your feet like a child until he's drafted.

Ive posted many prospects I like other then Sutton. I just like Sutton at the log jam of talent I see at 14 that will be available that fits a serious need.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I suppose we could draft safeties to play corner too. Wait, weve already done that. Lol

Hey now, we already have that covered, we draft WR's to play CB. Hmmmm....can Sutton play CB?

 

[brandon2348]

DJ Moore
Anthony Miller

Both nice prospects that will most likely transition to slot in NFL.

 

[brandon2348]

Hey now, we already have that covered, we draft WR's to play CB. Hmmmm....can Sutton play CB?

He was actaully recruited as a DB.
Just an amazing athelete.

Also I will just post if people dont like me or my posting style or etc etc thats fine but don't take it out on Courtland Sutton. Sutton is a stud and good kid and we would be lucky to have him.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

It's not that i dont like them its that there all pretty much guys that will play in the slot

You don't know that, it's because these guys aren't 6'3" 225lbs like Sutton. Just because a player has the same measurements as Calvin Johnson, doesn't mean he'll be Calvin Johnson. We've also gone over the fact that shorter players can be number ones and play outside. You just ignored that fact.

 

[brandon2348]

You don't know that, it's because these guys aren't 6'3" 225lbs like Sutton. Just because a player has the same measurements as Calvin Johnson, doesn't mean he'll be Calvin Johnson. We've also gone over the fact that shorter players can be number ones and play outside. You just ignored that fact.

Ive actually tried to wrap my head around that and entertain having smaller guys outside. However, if you look over the previous 4-5 years the Packers have drafted taller receievers. You have to go back to Cobb to find one shorter then 6 foot.

Maybe that will change with Gute but well have to wait and see.

 

[GleefulGary]

I still prefer to look at Graham as a TE and hope the Packers can rely on him and Cobb to work the middle of the field, while Adams and a player to be determined later, are working the outside and deep.

Without production from someone else, I don't see the Packers passing game strong enough to just rely on Adams, Graham and Cobb to carry the load and that gets even worse, if one or more of them are injured.

Thing is, Graham is really just a big WR. He doesn't block, he's a slot TE.

If we want to draft a replacement, Allen Lazard is interesting.

 

[PackFan2]

OT - Brian O'Neill 6'6 298lb out of Pittsburgh sounds like an interesting prospect that could be in rounds 3-5. High school WR to college TE to OT. Sounds like.. Spriggs.. will need major strength training.

Isaiah Wynn, G/C/OT, Georgia
Height: 6-2. Weight: 308.
Versatile. Can play across the o-line. Best suited at guard or center. Master of none. Little shorter but was a mauler in the senior bowl. Some say rounds 1 and 2 but if he falls to 3 or 4 that would be a great pick up.

 

[brandon2348]

You don't know that, it's because these guys aren't 6'3" 225lbs like Sutton. Just because a player has the same measurements as Calvin Johnson, doesn't mean he'll be Calvin Johnson. We've also gone over the fact that shorter players can be number ones and play outside. You just ignored that fact.

The other thing that has to be considered is we dont play in a dome or Sunny Florida. The field is frozen half the season and playoffs. That might present a problem of lining little guys up outside and there effectiveness.

I know Antonio Brown works out well up in Pittsburgh but that is the rarity and as cold as Heinz Field is it isnt the "Frozen Tundra". I would personally prefer bigger guys outside that you can play "ball control" with Aaron Rodgers.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

I could see a move to smaller guys on the outside with some size in the middle kind of like the Pats do. A big threat inside and then quicker slots and outside receivers. However, if we want size outside that's not in the first round, the following players are intriguing:

ESB: 6'5" 205lbs. He struggled with a change in offense and a pretty bad quarterback last year, but there's no doubt he has talent and could be there in the second.

Marcel Ateman: 6'4" 220lbs. Definitely has some balls skills, but may have problems with separation.

Simmie Cobbs: 6'4" 220lbs. Some people really like this kid, but I haven't seen much of his tape to be honest.

Allen Lazard: 6'5" 225lbs. Was a top recruit coming out of high school, stayed loyal to his team, and played with pretty bad quarterbacks most of his college career.

J'Mon Moore: 6'3" 193lbs. He's a sleeper for a lot of people and they think he'll be a steal. Again, never really watched him.

Javon Wims: 6'4" 215lbs. As a Georgia fan, maybe I overrate him a touch, but he's my big sleeper. He's made some unbelievable plays for Georgia and had to adjust to two freshman quarterbacks on a run first team. I've seen his ability to control his body and it's pretty damn good. He has concentration problems sometimes, but overall he has great hands.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

The other thing that has to be considered is we dont play in a dome or Sunny Florida. The field is frozen half the season and playoffs. That might present a problem of lining little guys up outside and there effectiveness.

I know Antonio Brown works out well up in Pittsburgh but that is the rarity and as cold as Heinz Field is it isnt the "Frozen Tundra". I would personally prefer bigger guys outside that you can play "ball control" with Aaron Rodgers.

And O'Dell works in New York, and the Patriots are playing with small guys. It's not a problem like you think.

 

[GleefulGary]

If there's one thing we've learned over the years, it's that smaller receivers like Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Randall Cobb, Julian Edelman, Wes Welker, Emmanuel Sanders and Antonio Brown struggle playing in the playoffs and in cold weather situations. I could list more, but I think most of you get the point.

 

[GleefulGary]

The amusing thing about this is that the smaller Anthony Miller gave Mike Hughes problems on the outside, but the massive Sutton struggled to succeed against Hughes...but only one can play outside because of his size.

Watch the damn tape.

 

[GleefulGary]

My facial hair is doing great work in this thread.

 

[brandon2348]

I could see a move to smaller guys on the outside with some size in the middle kind of like the Pats do. A big threat inside and then quicker slots and outside receivers. However, if we want size outside that's not in the first round, the following players are intriguing:

ESB: 6'5" 205lbs. He struggled with a change in offense and a pretty bad quarterback last year, but there's no doubt he has talent and could be there in the second.

Marcel Ateman: 6'4" 220lbs. Definitely has some balls skills, but may have problems with separation.

Simmie Cobbs: 6'4" 220lbs. Some people really like this kid, but I haven't seen much of his tape to be honest.

Allen Lazard: 6'5" 225lbs. Was a top recruit coming out of high school, stayed loyal to his team, and played with pretty bad quarterbacks most of his college career.

J'Mon Moore: 6'3" 193lbs. He's a sleeper for a lot of people and they think he'll be a steal. Again, never really watched him.

Javon Wims: 6'4" 215lbs. As a Georgia fan, maybe I overrate him a touch, but he's my big sleeper. He's made some unbelievable plays for Georgia and had to adjust to two freshman quarterbacks on a run first team. I've seen his ability to control his body and it's pretty damn good. He has concentration problems sometimes, but overall he has great hands.

And well probably draft one of those guys. Im off the Ateman train. Georgia is my second fav college team and I like Wims too. Could be something there.

 

[PackFan2]

Maea Teuhema is an interesting prospect. 6'5 315lbs. Athletic olinemen. Great feet movement. Played all position on line. Played at LsU, blocked for Fournette. Kicked off at LSU for poor grades. Late 5 to FA pick up.

 

[AmishMafia]

And there is good reason Ted Thompson isnt pulling the trigger on draft day anymore.

Yes. And there is a reason that at some point Albert Einstein stopped being a Professor at The Institute for Advanced Studies. There is also a reason you never became a professor at IAS or a GM for the Packers.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

How many 1st and second round picks do we have on defense? Count em up for me. And don't forget to add the two more recent ones that arent even on the team anymore.

Now count up how many 1st and 2nd round picks we have offense?

I think its pretty easy to see disparity.

Oh, is that how they play football? Just assign every player a number based on the round he was drafted and whichever side has the lowest total number wins?

Seriously though, I've said this before and it's as true now as ever, a great QB makes EVERYONE better on offense. There is no comparable position on defense. If you want a great offense you need an adequate QB and a bunch of great players around him OR you need a great a QB and some good players. On defense, if you want a great defense, you need numerous great players. The Packers, on defense, currently have approximately one proven great player in Daniels and one guy that's done it for a year in Clark. That's what, 1.5 great players? The Packers on offense have one of the best olines in football, a very good WR in Adams, a good WR in Cobb, a good receiving TE in Graham and the best QB in NFL history. THE OFFENSE DOESN'T NEED MORE HELP. If anything the offense just needs more creativity in coaching (but that's another thread on McCarthy).