Prospects You Love

[ThePerfectBeard]

Doubt if he is a starter at this point but I also like him. But they need to use him right. The idea (which I think McCarthy has) is that all his receivers should be able to play all positions and run all the routes. That is just not right. Geronimo goes deep well. So he can also cut off the deep routes. He can run a medium to deep middle route. But he should not be running routes below the linebackers across the middle like he was a slot receiver. Yeah it could work once in awhile but it not a smart play. I hope we draft a slot receiver/punt returner. Texas A&M in the 2nd? There is at least one other out there but he is lot lighter.

Are you talking about Christian Kirk? He's so smooth and has great hands. I think he's a little underrated by some.

 

[GleefulGary]

I'm sorry, why does a conference bowl record matter when evaluating talent?

Winners matter.

Which is why we should draft a WR from a 7-6 team in a ****** conference. Because he's a winner.

 

[GleefulGary]

Yeah lets go draft Vea and trade back up for LVE and then draft Meeks and top it off with Dante Pettis and be mediocre. That would be so Ted Thompson.

Geez, the whole thing is giving me PTSD. Were so lucky we have Gute in there.

Exactly who is saying that? Find me a post.

And what's wrong with those players? Thanks!

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

Winners matter.

Which is why we should draft a WR from a 7-6 team in a ****** conference. Because he's a winner.

Eh, you can have winners on struggling teams. Again, staying in the Pac-12(or 10 at the time) Suggs played for a 5-7 Arizona State team. Ngata played for a 7-6 Ducks team in 2006. I don't give a damn what the team's record or schedule is like. Talented players jump off the screen when watching tape.

 

[Dantés]

Aaron Rodgers
Andrew Luck
Rob Gronkowski
David Bakhtiari
Clay Matthews
Cameron Jordan
Leonard Williams
Alex Mack
Eric Weddle
Richard Sherman
Marshawn Lynch
Keenan Allen
Haloti Ngata
Everson Griffen
Marcus Peters
David DeCastro
Jurrell Casey
Kenny Clark
DeForest Buckner
Desmond Trufant
Zach Ertz
Kyle Long
Brandin Cooks
Marcus Mariota
Desean Jackson
Anthony Barr
Eric Kendricks
Myles Jack
Jared Goff
Nick Perry
Max Unger
Nate Solder
Christian McCaffrey
Robert Woods
Kiko Alonso
Marvin Jones
Jimmy Smith
Deone Buccanon
Juju Smith-Schuster
T.J. Ward
Mitchell Schwartz
Star Lotulelei
Mychal Kendricks
Su'a Cravens
Nelson Agholor
Jairus Byrd
Andy Levitre
Marqise Lee
Trent Murphy
Blake Martinez

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Its need no.1 as far as im concerened and has already been been put off way to long. At least we have Williams and King penciled in at corner. Matthews and Perry on the Edge. Jones and Dix and Brice at safety. We have a good D-Line rotation and Martinez penciled in inside.

If Devante Adams goes down with this current collection of receivers it will be catastrophic and we arent going anywhere. Dead in the water.

Not quite sure I would agree on WR being the Packers #1 need in the draft, but it definitely is up there and given the history of the position, a rookie is going to need some time working with AR to get into the starting lineup. So yeah, the need is there, but I think its a need a Vet could fill better in 2018 and a guy selected high in this years draft, in 2019.

My dream is to wake up and see Clark as our starter, because he learned everything about football he needed to know in the offseason, but I know that probably won't happen. But it is fun to imagine him in the line up at 6' 6" along with Graham.

 

[GleefulGary]

Nobody is saying Allison should start.

Another fake argument!

 

[GleefulGary]

Eh, you can have winners on struggling teams. Again, staying in the Pac-12(or 10 at the time) Suggs played for a 5-7 Arizona State team. Ngata played for a 7-6 Ducks team in 2006. I don't give a damn what the team's record or schedule is like. Talented players jump off the screen when watching tape.

I completely agree.

I'm just mocking his argument that only goes against players he doesn't like and isn't used consistently.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Nobody is saying Allison should start.

Another fake argument!

Given the current depth chart, who is your 3rd WR behind Adams and Cobb? Not sure if you directed that at me, since I never said Allison "should" start. However, if the position isn't addressed, he may end up being forced into starting.

 

[GleefulGary]

I believe WR is a big need.

I don't believe there is a WR I would take at 14.

I can find a WR in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th round that can adequately outplay Allison at the least.

The idea that people don't want a WR is crazy. The talent just isn't that strong at the top.

 

[Dantés]

Given the current depth chart, who is your 3rd WR behind Adams and Cobb? Not sure if you directed that at me, since I never said Allison "should" start. However, if the position isn't addressed, he may end up being forced into starting.

He's just pointing out that another one of the troll's arguments is totally made up. That is: "If you don't want Sutton at #14, you want Allison to start."

He can't deal with what people actually say, so he imagines they say something else and responds to that instead.

 

[GleefulGary]

Given the current depth chart, who is your 3rd WR behind Adams and Cobb? Not sure if you directed that at me, since I never said Allison "should" start. However, if the position isn't addressed, he may end up being forced into starting.

Sorry, directed towards Brandon.

Overall, I'm not too worried.

People need to realize that at best, Allison is our 4th passing option. He can, and should be improved upon, but I'm not too worried.

I think either in FA or the draft, they'll find somebody. Just not at #14.

 

[brandon2348]

Exactly who is saying that? Find me a post.

And what's wrong with those players? Thanks!

I was simply saying that is what a Ted Thompson draft could look like based on a large past sample size and thought of it gives me PTSD.

I like better players at all positions stated there.

I would take either Payne or Mo Hurst over Vea.

I would take Carlton Davis or Hughes over Meeks.

I would take just about anybody over Pettis but will just use Callaway for argument sakes.

Not a big LVE fan and to me he isnt all that instinctive. I believe he is a pipe dream. I believe you can get similar value with a guy like Genard Avery and wouldn't have to trade up. If you cant get an elite ILB like R Smith i believe the position to be overvalued. I like Avery and actually prefer shorter guys inside which is where he will play in NFL.

 

[GleefulGary]

I too would take Hurst over Vea. But realize they're different players.

I too would take Hughes over Meeks. Meeks is a 4th round guy, great value there.

I like Calloway a lot, but wouldn't take Pettis over him.

Nobody is saying we should only draft PAC-12 players. Only you have an illogical argument against PAC-12 players that you can't intelligently rectify, so you make up arguments.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

I was simply saying that is what a Ted Thompson draft could look like based on a large past sample size and thought of it gives me PTSD.

I like better players at all positions stated there.

I would take either Payne or Mo Hurst over Vea.

I would take Carlton Davis or Hughes over Meeks.

I would take just about anybody over Pettis but will just use Callaway for argument sakes.

Not a big LVE fan and to me he isnt all that instinctive. I believe he is a pipe dream. I believe you can get similar value with a guy like Genard Avery and wouldn't have to trade up. If you cant get an elite ILB like R Smith i believe the position to be overvalued. I like Avery and actually prefer shorter guys inside which is where he will play in NFL.

Well first you laid out a draft where we pick Vea, LVE, and Meeks... There's nothing wrong with that draft and it would be a lot of talent. A lot of people have Carlton Davis and Hughes over Meeks, but Meeks will be there later and if it worked out some way that we got Vea, LVE, and then Meeks, no one could complain. I think it's absolutely asinine to say Genard Avery is of the same value as LVE. Vea is also a completely different player than Hurst and I think Payne is overrated.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Its need no.1 as far as im concerened and has already been been put off way to long. At least we have Williams and King penciled in at corner. Matthews and Perry on the Edge. Jones and Dix and Brice at safety. We have a good D-Line rotation and Martinez penciled in inside.

If Devante Adams goes down with this current collection of receivers it will be catastrophic and we arent going anywhere. Dead in the water.

So, in your estimate, a 35-year old CB and unproven, injured corner solve the problems at corner. An OLB on the decline and Mr. Glass from Unbreakable are the answers at edge rusher. Therefore, the team with the best QB in the NFL has to draft a WR in the first round? While I can appreciate that logic for entertainment's sake, I'm not 100% sure I agree.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Given the current depth chart, who is your 3rd WR behind Adams and Cobb? Not sure if you directed that at me, since I never said Allison "should" start. However, if the position isn't addressed, he may end up being forced into starting.

Graham is the second or third WR on this team, depending on how you want to look at it.

 

[brandon2348]

I too would take Hurst over Vea. But realize they're different players.

I too would take Hughes over Meeks. Meeks is a 4th round guy, great value there.

I like Calloway a lot, but wouldn't take Pettis over him.

Nobody is saying we should only draft PAC-12 players. Only you have an illogical argument against PAC-12 players that you can't intelligently rectify, so you make up arguments.

And there is good reason Ted Thompson isnt pulling the trigger on draft day anymore.

 

[brandon2348]

So, in your estimate, a 35-year old CB and unproven, injured corner solve the problems at corner. An OLB on the decline and Mr. Glass from Unbreakable are the answers at edge rusher. Therefore, the team with the best QB in the NFL has to draft a WR in the first round? While I can appreciate that logic for entertainment's sake, I'm not 100% sure I agree.

How many 1st and second round picks do we have on defense? Count em up for me. And don't forget to add the two more recent ones that arent even on the team anymore.

Now count up how many 1st and 2nd round picks we have offense?

I think its pretty easy to see disparity.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

How many 1st and second round picks do we have on defense? Count em up for me. And don't forget to add the two more recent ones that arent even on the team anymore.

Now count up how many 1st and 2nd round picks we have offense?

I think its pretty easy to see disparity.

How many second and third round wide receivers have we had that have gone on to be #1 and #2 receivers for this team?

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

How many 1st and second round picks do we have on defense? Count em up for me. And don't forget to add the two more recent ones that arent even on the team anymore.

Now count up how many 1st and 2nd round picks we have offense?

I think its pretty easy to see disparity.

And again, no one is saying we haven't drafted defense consistently. We have and we've done poorly at it, that doesn't mean you give up on drafting defense early, especially with a new GM.

 

[brandon2348]

And again, no one is saying we haven't drafted defense consistently. We have and we've done poorly at it, that doesn't mean you give up on drafting defense early, especially with a new GM.

I specifically remember being in the shout box last year poudning the table for a receiver on day 2 and you saying "well get that next year". Go back and look at the log.

Well guess what? Jordy is gone and its next year. We don't have the luxury to sit around and hope our guy falls to 45. We got a soon to be 30 million dollar a year QB and were gonna be running UDFA's out there probably by mid season.

People are gonna be livid in here and blame Gute for not addressing it. I really hope GUTE does the right thing here and doesnt fall into the same "Ted Thompson Trap"

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

I specifically remember being in the shout box last year poudning the table for a receiver on day 2 and you saying "well get that next year". Go back and look at the log.

Well guess what? Jordy is gone and its next year. We don't have the luxury to sit around and hope our guy falls to 45. We got a soon to be 30 million dollar a year QB and were gonna be running UDFA's out there probably by mid season.

People are gonna be livid in here and blame Gute for not addressing it. I really hope GUTE does the right thing here and doesnt fall into the same "Ted Thompson Trap"

Maybe I did say that, but I didn't say we DEFINITELY NEED TO DRAFT A WR IN THE FIRST. For the last Fudging time, there are no wide receivers worth it at #14. How many freaking times do people need to tell you this? Seriously, give me a number and I'll make that many posts. We can get a perfectly good wide receiver in the 2nd., you know where we got Jordy, Cobb, Jennings, and Davante.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

I specifically remember being in the shout box last year poudning the table for a receiver on day 2 and you saying "well get that next year". Go back and look at the log.

Well guess what? Jordy is gone and its next year. We don't have the luxury to sit around and hope our guy falls to 45. We got a soon to be 30 million dollar a year QB and were gonna be running UDFA's out there probably by mid season.

People are gonna be livid in here and blame Gute for not addressing it. I really hope GUTE does the right thing here and doesnt fall into the same "Ted Thompson Trap"

The same TT trap of drafting great wide receivers in the second round?

 

[brandon2348]

The same TT trap of drafting great wide receivers in the second round?

Its not happening this year because the talent just isnt there and the board on receivers isn"t gonna stop moving because some people on Packer Forum dont think there any good. Teams still need receivers and is a coveted position more so then ever with rule changes which consistently takes us back to the guy you hate to hear about "Courtland Sutton". Teams will reach for receivers. They wont reach for ILB's.

Nobody has shown me on this forum a prospect that will in reality be there in the second round thats gonna have the impact the guys we drafted in the second in the past with the exception to Callaway who has red flags.