PFF Best and Worst vs Giants

[milani]

What a major disappointment Musgrave has turned out to be. I don't recall if some here or elsewhere said Musgrave is a good athlete but a poor football player.

That was a quoted comment that I located from one of the outlets. If we doubt the validity I guess we could look at his PFF grade last week: 28

 

[mradtke66]

Part of the problem is LaFleur as well. He keeps trying to use Musgrave like a typical inline TE. He needs to use him like they did with Jermichael Finley. Run double tight end sets so that you still have a blocker on one side for running plays, and deploy Musgrave on WR routes.

I'm not sure that's the entire case either. Musgrave hasn't really shown much as a receiving threat.

Because he's not a good blocker, teams aren't forced to match him against a linebacker, so he draws the nickel or safety. And he's not winning those matchups. I'd rather deploy a true receiver who can stress DBs.

I'm really struggling to understand what's he's good at.

 

[gopkrs]

One game on the first play, he was wide open deep on the right side. I think against the Panthers. He got behind everyone and Love didn't look for him. And that was the only play I remember him trying to get behind the linebackers. I think those routes would be much better for him and the other TEs probably can't do it. When he was doing well before his injury that was what he was doing. He can be pretty good finding a hole when he is running more than 4 steps deep. imho

 

[OldSchool101]

What a major disappointment Musgrave has turned out to be. I don't recall if some here or elsewhere said Musgrave is a good athlete but a poor football player.

It’s my personal opinion that Musgrave hasn’t been used properly. He’s a Pseudo WR. If our Staff is expecting him to be Tucker Kraft they are fooling themselves. His strength is using his long stride to hit the seam and challenge LB’s.

 

[milani]

I'm not sure that's the entire case either. Musgrave hasn't really shown much as a receiving threat.

Because he's not a good blocker, teams aren't forced to match him against a linebacker, so he draws the nickel or safety. And he's not winning those matchups. I'd rather deploy a true receiver who can stress DBs.

I'm really struggling to understand what's he's good at.

Musgrave is not the athlete Jermichael was. When he made that TD catch against Dallas in the playoff game they completely forgot about him because they thought Love would never target him. We need to convince other teams of that.

 

[OldSchool101]

I'm not sure that's the entire case either. Musgrave hasn't really shown much as a receiving threat.

Because he's not a good blocker, teams aren't forced to match him against a linebacker, so he draws the nickel or safety. And he's not winning those matchups. I'd rather deploy a true receiver who can stress DBs.

I'm really struggling to understand what's he's good at.

See I disagree here. You’re completely dismissing his previous success. In his first 10 contests in the league he put up 353 Yards and a TD. He was pacing 600 yards..on a fairly good sample size as a Rookie

What’s changed since 2023? He had some moderate success just a few weeks ago also. In 5 games this season he’s has 1 or zero targets. In games he gets 2+ target hes got 9 catches for 96 yards. This was a similar problem I argued against several in here about Watson coming out of College. His drops were highly relatable to lack of targets, once the target ratio improved? the drops eventually evened out. Now obviously Tucker Kraft had stolen the spotlight earlier this season. Yet you can’t expect to target a player 0 or 1 time and then to excel. Especially when it’s On a -.5 yard pass. He’s not Tucker Kraft. Luke is NOT a YAC guy like Kraft or Jacobs.

When is he successful? Luke’s best 3 games are not an anomoly. He averages 11.67 per target and caught 90.0% of this targets. 2 of those 3 were within the last 3 weeks, so coming off a bad game last week he’s getting piled on a bit too much by some fans. I understand the frustration, but imo give the kid a chance to ramp up. Were what?
2 games post

86.7% catch ratio in 2025 sounds like I need to be finding more ways to be targeting those sticky hands.

 

[mradtke66]

See I disagree here. You’re completely dismissing his previous success. In his first 10 contests in the league he put up 353 Yards and a TD. He was pacing 600 yards..on a fairly good sample size as a Rookie

What’s changed since 2023? He had some moderate success just a few weeks ago also. In 5 games this season he’s has 1 or zero targets. In games he gets 2+ target hes got 9 catches for 96 yards. This was a similar problem I argued against several in here about Watson coming out of College. His drops were highly relatable to lack of targets, once the target ratio improved? the drops eventually evened out. Now obviously Tucker Kraft had stolen the spotlight earlier this season. Yet you can’t expect to target a player 0 or 1 time and then to excel. Especially when it’s On a -.5 yard pass. He’s not Tucker Kraft. Luke is NOT a YAC guy like Kraft or Jacobs.

When is he successful? Luke’s best 3 games are not an anomoly. He averages 11.67 per target and caught 90.0% of this targets. 2 of those 3 were within the last 3 weeks, so coming off a bad game last week he’s getting piled on a bit too much by some fans. I understand the frustration, but imo give the kid a chance to ramp up. Were what?
2 games post

86.7% catch ratio in 2025 sounds like I need to be finding more ways to be targeting those sticky hands.

My issue isn’t so much that he can’t catch, he can, but at least right now, he’s not winning enough of his routes.

Part of why TEs are dangerous is either being a dual threat (match with a linebacker for run defense) or by being such an athletic freak that they can out big/out muscle the guys who can otherwise cover them.

It is my opinion that Musgrave isn’t targeted more is because he isn’t getting open enough and he’s too easy to game plan around.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

As always need 10 snaps minimum to make post...

Best Offense
Jordan Love - 93.1 (He literally was nearly immaculate on passes...his supporting cast just sucked on a lot of tosses)
Aaron Banks - 83.4 (many of us saw it, he had his best game as a Packer)
Christian Watson - 82.1
Zach Tom - 72.4
Matthew Golden - 70.0

Worst Offense
Luke Musgrave - 28.4
John FitzPatrick - 54.3
Sean Rhyan - 55.6
Rasheed Walker - 56.3
Dontayvion Wicks - 56.7


Best Defense
Micah Parsons - 89.6
Keisean Nixon - 84.5 (I DID NOT see this from first watch...have to go back cuz this seems crazy high)
Xavier McKinney - 74.1
Javon Bullard - 72.5
Carrington Valentine - 71.2

Worst Defense
Devonte Wyatt - 32.9
Isaiah McDuffie - 47.7 (forced to play middle, he is much stronger when Quay is inside)
Kingsley Enagbare - 51.8
Colby Wooden - 52.3
Quay Walker - 56.8

I've said this since his rookie year...against the pass you'd rather have ANYBODY else in than McDuffie. Run he's somewhere between a C+ and a B...pass F------

 

[DoURant]

I'm really struggling to understand what's he's good at.

Musgrave used to be pretty good at falling down in the open field... especially after making a reception... with no defenders around.... However, I haven't seen him do that in awhile... so maybe he isn’t good at doing that anymore... either.

I had high hopes that Musgrave would help the productivity at the TE position, after the loss of Kraft in the lineup. However, after the controversial drop/fumble he had in the 1st half, last week ( I personally still think we got a break on the call being incomplete) he proceeded to only get 2 snaps in the 2nd half of that game. Maybe he has falling out of favor with the coaching staff... he definitely isn't the greatest blocker, which isn't going to help his snap count.

Whyle was a pretty decent TE in college at Cincinnati. He was on my list of TE's I would've liked to draft, the year he came out. I'd like to see him get some more offensive opportunities, just to see what he might be able to bring to the table, not only for the rest of this year, but also 2026.