PFF Best and Worst vs Ravens

[tynimiller]

As always 10 snap minimum to appear:

Best Offense:
Malik Willis - 95.6
Christian Watson - 90.7 (Watson's route running was insanely good Saturday night)
Romeo Doubs - 82.6
Jordan Morgan - 79.7 (best pro game so far for him before I even knew his grade)
Emanuel Wilson - 69.9

Worst Offense:
Aaron Banks - 32.6 (I've long held to a two year period for FA signings...but Gute I get it if you cut him)
Sean Rhyan - 36.7
Rasheed Walker - 43.1
Josh Jacobs - 47.7
Luke Musgrave - 51.4

Best Defense
Lukas Van Ness - 80.6 (many of us have noticed he has been awesome last trio of games when in....kid's time is now, especially with Gary looking like he has cinder blocks attached to his legs)
Nate Hobbs - 68.2
Edgerrin Cooper - 67.3
Kingsley Enagbare - 66.5
Keisean Nixon - 65.2

Worst Defense
Quay Walker - 33.3 (If Quay wasn't sick - I'd almost say bench him off this lack of effort game alone)
Quinton Bohanna - 37.3
Isaiah McDuffie - 39.2
Jordon Riley - 48.1
Carrington Valentine - 51.4

 

[BrokenArrow]

As always 10 snap minimum to appear:

Best Offense:
Malik Willis - 95.6

95.6??? How is that possible?

 

[tynimiller]

95.6??? How is that possible?

Pretty much has to be a nearly flawless or at least deemed flawless air decisions (like a smart throwaway doesn't hurt you nearly as much as a misread and then a throw away).
The kicker with Malik like all running QBs it seems in PFF is if you do very well throwing but then also make some big plays with legs you're going to end up north of 90 for sure. He made some massive plays with his legs, that one spinning multiple tackles missed play likely went down as however they handle big or clutch plays.

 

[Pugger]

As always 10 snap minimum to appear:

Best Offense:
Malik Willis - 95.6
Christian Watson - 90.7 (Watson's route running was insanely good Saturday night)
Romeo Doubs - 82.6
Jordan Morgan - 79.7 (best pro game so far for him before I even knew his grade)
Emanuel Wilson - 69.9

Worst Offense:
Aaron Banks - 32.6 (I've long held to a two year period for FA signings...but Gute I get it if you cut him)
Sean Rhyan - 36.7
Rasheed Walker - 43.1
Josh Jacobs - 47.7
Luke Musgrave - 51.4

Best Defense
Lukas Van Ness - 80.6 (many of us have noticed he has been awesome last trio of games when in....kid's time is now, especially with Gary looking like he has cinder blocks attached to his legs)
Nate Hobbs - 68.2
Edgerrin Cooper - 67.3
Kingsley Enagbare - 66.5
Keisean Nixon - 65.2

Worst Defense
Quay Walker - 33.3 (If Quay wasn't sick - I'd almost say bench him off this lack of effort game alone)
Quinton Bohanna - 37.3
Isaiah McDuffie - 39.2
Jordon Riley - 48.1
Carrington Valentine - 51.4

This is why I say cut Gary but hang onto LVN.

 

[tynimiller]

95.6??? How is that possible?

Crazy thing is if you're above 80 for a season it is very likely you're playing HIGH high level ball.

Right now in the league there is 12 QBs 80 or higher for the season. Dropping Tanner McKee who literally has 4 dropbacks. That is 11.

Green Bay has two of those Love (88.5) Willis (92.3). Now granted in that 11 for full disclosure Malik is the only one under 50 dropbacks with the closest being Burrow with 211.

 

[tynimiller]

This is why I say cut Gary but hang onto LVN.

I've said elsewhere and I assume you likely agree, only way for me personally that Gary is here next year is if he agrees to a paycut. Otherwise, thanks brother, but you never were the same after your ACL and we can do more with the $11M added to spend.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Pretty much has to be a nearly flawless or at least deemed flawless air decisions (like a smart throwaway doesn't hurt you nearly as much as a misread and then a throw away).
The kicker with Malik like all running QBs it seems in PFF is if you do very well throwing but then also make some big plays with legs you're going to end up north of 90 for sure. He made some massive plays with his legs, that one spinning multiple tackles missed play likely went down as however they handle big or clutch plays.

I would think a guy would have to be pretty damn good then to get that kind of score.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Crazy thing is if you're above 80 for a season it is very likely you're playing HIGH high level ball.

Right now in the league there is 12 QBs 80 or higher for the season. Dropping Tanner McKee who literally has 4 dropbacks. That is 11.

Green Bay has two of those Love (88.5) Willis (92.3). Now granted in that 11 for full disclosure Malik is the only one under 50 dropbacks with the closest being Burrow with 211.

That's fair, but a man can only do what is asked of him. I'm betting we see way too much of Clayton Tune next week. Think he'll break 40?

 

[tynimiller]

I would think a guy would have to be pretty damn good then to get that kind of score.

He just has to play pretty damn good that night. Which Willis did.

 

[tynimiller]

That's fair, but a man can only do what is asked of him. I'm betting we see way too much of Clayton Tune next week. Think he'll break 40?

LOL who knows, and honestly won't matter. As far as I'm concerned and our teams injury issues I'd be fine if GB forfeited and didn't play LOL (not really but not much difference).

I kinda hope Tune gets the start truly. Get some real GB action before we have the off season to decide whether we want him here battling for backup.

 

[tynimiller]

I would think a guy would have to be pretty damn good then to get that kind of score.

Aaron Banks had an 86 this year....doesn't mean he is a damn good player...
Karl Brooks a 93 last year one game...
Kevin King (yes that Kevin King) had a 92.2 last season....

Stuff happens game to game.

 

[gopkrs]

That's fair, but a man can only do what is asked of him. I'm betting we see way too much of Clayton Tune next week. Think he'll break 40?

I'd like to see Tune play. A write up I read said he couldn't run. But he looked like he could in the game. We have to start knowing he he can be a backup. I'm sick and tired of all this he has to mature or ripen or whatever. For whatever position. I want to see if there is potential to take over a game if needed. If not; then keep looking.

 

[gopkrs]

Aaron Banks had an 86 this year....doesn't mean he is a damn good player...
Karl Brooks a 93 last year one game...
Kevin King (yes that Kevin King) had a 92.2 last season....

Stuff happens game to game.

or maybe a different grader. We are starting to take this grading system as gospel. Which it isn't.

 

[tynimiller]

or maybe a different grader. We are starting to take this grading system as gospel. Which it isn't.

Actually no most don't LOL. I used to even put a disclaimer each week for fools that think me posting it was my declaration of thinking these figures were just that - gospel.

It is VERY VERY hard for a guy to not put together a good season and on the whole not wash out with a PFF grade overall say over 70. Yes, game to game, graders for sure I'd assume play a factor. I know they did implement a review process to hopefully mitigate that some - but who knows exactly what that means behind the curtains.

 

[tynimiller]

I'd like to see Tune play. A write up I read said he couldn't run. But he looked like he could in the game. We have to start knowing he he can be a backup. I'm sick and tired of all this he has to mature or ripen or whatever. For whatever position. I want to see if there is potential to take over a game if needed. If not; then keep looking.

I don't need a backup QB to take over a game - that's a RARITY. I need them to not do anything to actively lose the game personally.

Little on Tune for anyone wondering:

Since we are on a PFF page...dude put up two straight 90+ seasons his final two years at Houston. 84.7 in 2020 before that.

Those final two seasons 67% completion both years. 2022 he put up 4,065 yards | 40TDs | 10INTs....2021 put up 3,542 yards | 30TDs | 10INTs...he knows how to spin the ball.
That 2022 season he added 544 yards on the ground and 5 rushing TDs - he actually in his last four years at Houston rushed for 1,195 yards and 14 TDs

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Sligthly smaller hands than would typically want.

Only has 1 start, came in 2023 for Arizona and he struggled against Cleveland. 11 for 20 with 2 INTs.
In the preseasons he has actually done fairly decent but again PS.
The only knock I had on him for my personal opinion was arm strength - he has a quick release, can make the intermediate and short throws with enough pop, but when you get deeper he puts too much air under them well before I think he should have to.

 

[gopkrs]

I just meant take over for a hurt QB. But it does have to be someone that won't lose the game and make a positive contribution imho. And I do like to see for myself. So I'd like to see Tune play this weekend. And I imagine I will. But I think it would be good to give both Jordan and Willis a quarter each. And throw some to Musgrave and Golden.

 

[BrokenArrow]

LOL who knows, and honestly won't matter. As far as I'm concerned and our teams injury issues I'd be fine if GB forfeited and didn't play LOL (not really but not much difference).

I kinda hope Tune gets the start truly. Get some real GB action before we have the off season to decide whether we want him here battling for backup.

I can already tell you I'm not wanting him as a backup. If you're right and the rest of the NFL agrees that Willis is a bum, maybe we keep him.

 

[tynimiller]

I can already tell you I'm not wanting him as a backup. If you're right and the rest of the NFL agrees that Willis is a bum, maybe we keep him.

What? How is Willis a bum? That’s lunacy.