Parsons Trade

[RRyder]

Well now I really am curious which one it was…lol

Anyways - Go Pack Go!

Now I know I've taken a sabitacal from this board recently but are we thinking Brandon just made a return appearance?

 

[gopkrs]

I kinda assume every starting lineman (and RB) in the league is getting cortisone shot for something before every game

That really does not sound like a good idea. It affects ligaments or something if used too much.

 

[tynimiller]

Now I know I've taken a sabitacal from this board recently but are we thinking Brandon just made a return appearance?

That’s exactly who came to my mind…

 

[Calebs Revenge]

I kinda assume every starting lineman (and RB) in the league is getting cortisone shot for something before every game

That's very true...... but,
Look at what the result of Larry Bird pouring his mother's driveway was....
Back injuries are like concussions.... you don't know what will do what.

All I'm saying is I asked my dad about it and he said it's something to watch.... but he's glad that they didn't put two first round picks + more into him......

That's all I was saying

 

[longtimefan]

I don't believe I ever inferred anything of the sort.

I know I haven’t been around. But now the season is here I will be and I don’t put up with snide comments

Carpet jokes can go in another thread.......... haahhhhhahhahahahha

 

[longtimefan]

I kinda assume every starting lineman (and RB) in the league is getting cortisone shot for something before every game

Ask if they still have the toradol train

Used to be , Every player lines up and gets those shots

 

[Calebs Revenge]

I know I haven’t been around. But now the season is here I will be and I don’t put up with snide comments

Carpet jokes can go in another thread.......... haahhhhhahhahahahha

Ok. I've been around so I'm not a troll like the guy you just banned.
I like to think I contribute.
Nothing ban worthy I'd hope.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

What do you call a flying carpet ride?
A "rugged" experience.......
Ba dum bump chsssssss........

 

[Zartan]

What do you call a flying carpet ride?
A "rugged" experience.......
Ba dum bump chsssssss........

Don't quit your day job..

 

[OldSchool101]

My dad is neurosurgeon who specialized in back surgery, specializing in fusions and such.
I actually watched him perform a subdural hematoma one time which is basically where they pop a piece of the skull out to relieve pressure on a head wound such as a very nasty concussion or the like, where the brain is bleeding and the blood is trapped in the skull...... crazy fact, the brain pulsates like your heart......

This is something that y'all need to watch very very carefully........ if this was your average person, not a big deal, but if it's already to the point where he needs shots, he will need surgery........ backs do not get better with age and repeated violence done against it 17-20 games a year.

The Packers have a complete Team Medical Staff. They do a thorough physical before any signing, much less a High profile one. We are also one of the more leaning conservative when it comes to player injury. There is a 0% chance the GB medical staff would endanger a player was deemed to have an ongoing serious injury.

What I like about this is it displays tough. Micah Parsons has missed 5 games in 4 years! This isn’t the first time he’s played through pain and it won’t be his last. Love his tough attitude already I think he’s going to fit in just fine and this “sprain” will be long forgotten on his list of career injuries when he retires.

 

[longtimefan]

Ok. I've been around so I'm not a troll like the guy you just banned.
I like to think I contribute.
Nothing ban worthy I'd hope.

Never said you were a troll. You are in OUR house and when rules are applied to YOU , respect them and don’t be a **** and make snide comments

I merged your thread l, and I seen 2 comments you made about it , and that stops now .

If you have an issue the door is open .

Respect the rules and we are good

 

[OldSchool101]

it's similar to the CMC trade..... legit concerns about the legs....
Who knows what will happen this year...next.....it's what we discuss.
We got 1.5 yrs of the Khalil we traded for.
I think Parsons is 2.5 yrs younger.....
You gave up 10 man years of 1st rnd picks for him. I'm just sayin longtime. Not picking a fight.

GB gets production TODAY. The Bears were not “near-SB status” pre Khalil Mack trade. It was a desperation move that proved a failure. A 1 legged Aaron Rodgers verified this as he pummeled the Bears after a knee injury and similar pain injection. Not every injection = career critical status for a player or is or equivalent of a Severe Brain Trauma.

Future Draft picks are not valued as today’s draft picks. Not to mention it takes many Draft selections 2,3 seasons just to ramp up. That’s not the case. We have HOF level play TODAY.

A later Day 1 traded draft pick in 2026 is roughly like a #50 overall pre draft today. A 2027 later Day 1 is valued around a Top 75 selection today. Dallas got equivalent of a #45-50 +#70-75 in draft value. This is factual it’s well known in the GM community. The timing on the trades are key. Had Dallas waited 1 season and traded Micah PRE draft he’d be worth DOUBLE the draft equity or more. Dallas trading him for future years was a huge faux pas. GB actually got a HOF level player usable TODAY for the Draft Value Equivalent of around a Top 30-35 area selection.

Then the Packers brilliantly paid for Micah using a 30yr old Player who wasn’t meeting their $21Mil annual production and will not be in our future plans. GB was a ready heavy at DL, so this actually did us a favor.
The trade compensating for ~1/2 of the Parsons trade Payment. GB is essentially paying just an additional $22mil yearly over Kenny replacement and capital differences for a MASSIVE upgrade. That’s an absolute steal and it’s actually unheard of for a Top 2 Edge Rusher that’s just turned 26yrs old. Every GM that understands the magnitude of a HOF level player trade knows Dallas got fleeced. Add insult to injury they handed him over to their NFC Nemesis. That would be like Green Bay handing SF49ers our best player in 10 years.

 

[longtimefan]

Ok. I've been around so I'm not a troll like the guy you just banned.
I like to think I contribute.
Nothing ban worthy I'd hope.

He wasn’t troll . I have the ability to find mostly anything I need to and he was a banned ex member. Just took me longer as I been very busy as of late

 

[Zartan]

The Packers have a complete Team Medical Staff. They do a thorough physical before any signing, much less a High profile one. We are also one of the more leaning conservative when it comes to player injury. There is a 0% chance the GB medical staff would endanger a player was deemed to have an ongoing serious injury.

What I like about this is it displays tough. Micah Parsons has missed 5 games in 4 years! This isn’t the first time he’s played through pain and it won’t be his last. Love his tough attitude already I think he’s going to fit in just fine and this “sprain” will be long forgotten on his list of career injuries when he retires.

If he really needed an epidural for anything I really doubt the medical staff would clear him to play just like that.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

He wasn’t troll . I have the ability to find mostly anything I need to and he was a banned ex member. Just took me longer as I been very busy as of late

I gotcha....yalls house....yalls rules.

 

[rmontro]

Don't quit your day job..

The comedy's not good, but the drumming isn't bad.

 

[mradtke66]

Yes, but....if they trade/cut him after 3 seasons, which is the premise this contract seems to set up, there is quite a large dead cap hit in the 2 years after he is gone, 2028 and 2029.

Again, that's not normally how dead cap works.

When you cut (or otherwise part with a player, such as a trade) you take the remaining, already spent cap hits immediately. The exception to this is post June 1st situations, where the team may spread the cap hit out over the current and next year.

Assuming we cannot come to an understanding or restructure, he'll be released by March 2027--because at that time, part of of his 2028 base salary becomes guaranteed. If he is released at that time, his dead cap is 17.6m. Not a small amount of money, but only half what we absorbed with Clark's departure.

It also isn't a given that he doesn't play at all in 2028. If the cap balloons, he might be a bargain by then, though that is speculation. And if he's a bargain in 2028, he'll likely be a bargain in 2029, when his cap number is slightly smaller.

If the right play is extending him, you could give him more or less the same contract that he just received. 3 years, 44m signing bonus, and lets say 3m per year in salary. That'd be 17.7m (roughly) in yearly cap. Assuming the existing, proposed dead cap (17.6m) is spread over those 3 years, that'd bring up the total to 23.6m. That's less his 2027 number (26.8m).

I don't know if he'd accept that number or not. He'd be 29 almost 30, so he might be falling off. He might still be going gangbusters. It's hard to say.

 

[longtimefan]

I gotcha....yalls house....yalls rules.

Ty

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Assuming we cannot come to an understanding or restructure, he'll be released by March 2027--because at that time, part of of his 2028 base salary becomes guaranteed. If he is released at that time, his dead cap is 17.6m. Not a small amount of money, but only half what we absorbed with Clark's departure.

Actually, if the numbers that I see are correct and if I am reading them correctly, the dead cap number (after 3 years) is $56.8 million. An amount that they could split up and spread over the 28 and 29 seasons.

 

[mradtke66]

Actually, if the numbers that I see are correct and if I am reading them correctly, the dead cap number (after 3 years) is $56.8 million. An amount that they could split up and spread over the 28 and 29 seasons.

From where? I’ve got https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72392/micah-parsons showing 17.6, which makes sense—8.8 per year remaining on his signing bonus.

 

[Pkrjones]

Explaining Option Bonuses, Which Made Micah Parsons’ Contract Affordable

GREEN BAY, Wis. – As part of the trade to acquire Micah Parsons from the Dallas Cowboys, the Green Bay Packers and Parsons agreed to a four-year contract extens

www.si.com

Great article on Parson's contract details. The color chart in the Ken Ingalls X post shows the accumulation of Option Bonus $ resulting in dead cap throughout the contract. There is no "easy out" after 3 years as the Option Bonus $ each year is spread out over remaining contract years.

Small cap #'s early on, but massive dead cap if cut: $91mil after '27; $68mil after '28; $44.665mil after contract ends after '29.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Again, that's not normally how dead cap works.

When you cut (or otherwise part with a player, such as a trade) you take the remaining, already spent cap hits immediately. The exception to this is post June 1st situations, where the team may spread the cap hit out over the current and next year.

Assuming we cannot come to an understanding or restructure, he'll be released by March 2027--because at that time, part of of his 2028 base salary becomes guaranteed. If he is released at that time, his dead cap is 17.6m. Not a small amount of money, but only half what we absorbed with Clark's departure.

It also isn't a given that he doesn't play at all in 2028. If the cap balloons, he might be a bargain by then, though that is speculation. And if he's a bargain in 2028, he'll likely be a bargain in 2029, when his cap number is slightly smaller.

If the right play is extending him, you could give him more or less the same contract that he just received. 3 years, 44m signing bonus, and lets say 3m per year in salary. That'd be 17.7m (roughly) in yearly cap. Assuming the existing, proposed dead cap (17.6m) is spread over those 3 years, that'd bring up the total to 23.6m. That's less his 2027 number (26.8m).

I don't know if he'd accept that number or not. He'd be 29 almost 30, so he might be falling off. He might still be going gangbusters. It's hard to say.

As usual, terrific analysis and summary. Good work!

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Tederell “TJ” Slaton

Don’t quote me word for word but I believe it was ESPN? that had him as #1 in Run Stop Efficiency. However there are wildly conflicting grades on him ranked #157 of 220 qualified DT. 45.5 Grade.Which would be slightly below average. As with many things the truth is probably inbetween for TJ.
He couldn’t have been that bad we finished like #2 in Run Stop efficiency last season as a team, but he did only post 39% D snaps also.

I noticed Rashan Gary also ranked #1 in Run Stop Efficiency for DE/EDGE last season. His is probably more legit PFF also similarly graded him #16/210 Run D grade (75.3 grade).

Then we have Edgerrin. #32/189 LB’s
PFF Run Grade. 78.6 Run Grade

Then Micah Parson #72/210. 65.5 Run grade. He was Top 30 in every major statistical category. Top 10 in hurries; sacks, pressures, Forced Fumbles

It's a pretty good defense I believe, and Hafley seems to get the best out of what he has to work with. Rookies like Stackhouse and Brinson will get their opportunities this year, hopefully at least one of them will step up in a big way.

 

[mradtke66]

Explaining Option Bonuses, Which Made Micah Parsons’ Contract Affordable

GREEN BAY, Wis. – As part of the trade to acquire Micah Parsons from the Dallas Cowboys, the Green Bay Packers and Parsons agreed to a four-year contract extens

www.si.com

Great article on Parson's contract details. The color chart in the Ken Ingalls X post shows the accumulation of Option Bonus $ resulting in dead cap throughout the contract. There is no "easy out" after 3 years as the Option Bonus $ each year is spread out over remaining contract years.

Small cap #'s early on, but massive dead cap if cut: $91mil after '27; $68mil after '28; $44.665mil after contract ends after '29.

Ugh, option bonuses. I didn't realize Sportrac doesn't seem to account for that. Or at least doesn't seem to account for how options impact dead cap.

I now wonder if they plan on keeping as-is in 2028. He'll be expensive, but not absurdly so. Though that assumes he's still productive.

 

[Voyageur]

AI on back injuries in the NFL

While specific percentages vary between studies, NFL players have a high prevalence of back problems, with studies showing 30.9% of spinal injuries in one period were lumbar, 13% of athletes in one franchise had prior lumbar injuries, and up to 52% of football players reported a history of back pain compared to 44% of controls in a 2020 study. Additionally, disc degenerative changes were found in 89% of football players compared to 54% of non-players in a 2020 study.

I guess that pretty well answers my question as to why I have back problems, as well as my son's having them as well despite the fact that he's a workout freak at the age of 51.