Parsons Trade

[Pokerbrat2000]

If they traded Parsons after 3-years, they would only have to eat the cap money that came from the signing bonus and that could be split over the two-years the way it appears.

If that's the case, someone might be willing to pick up the salary and bonuses left for those two-years as long as they don't need to eat the signing bonus.

Just a thought.

That is the way I see it too. Or possibly even better for Parsons, the Packers and probably his new team, just rip up the contract and give him a new one. While that changes nothing for the Packers as far as dead cap money owed, it might bring a better trade value. His value at that time? It will all depend on how healthy Parsons is after 2027 and of course, how well he is playing.

 

[OldSchool101]

Given the structure of his contract, I don't see him being in Green Bay after the 2027 season without a restructure. So when you talk about what he will be worth in 2028, he will be worth whatever the market bares for his abilities at the time. We know that "team discounts" are pretty much a myth. If he isn't playing at a high level, he will be cut after 2027. If he is playing at a high level, the Packers will have to pony up more guaranteed money, to get him to redo his contract.

Restructuring his contract does not negate his draft value though?

you mentioned Parsons would get “market value”.
Whats Micah Parson Draft “market value” in 3-4 years if he plays similar to his last 4 years and we decide to trade him.

I’m talking ballpark here

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Restructuring his contract does not negate his draft value though?

you mentioned Parsons would get “market value”. What is market value in 3-4 years if he plays similar to his last 4 years? Just roughly what draft capital should the Packers expect?

His value 3 years from now?

Could be an outright cut, trade for a 7th round pick, Five 1st round picks or something in between. Too many variables to know at this time.

We have seen this situation unfold across NFL many times.

- Star player is either disgruntled and/or wants out/more money.

- Star player is too big of a cap burden, time to redo or dump him.

- Star player is no longer a star, but still on a huge contract.

- Once Star Player has suffered too many injuries and retires.

So until we know where Parsons is in 3 years, there is no way to answer that question accurately.

 

[OldSchool101]

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Yes. I resemble that guy drinking a cup of Joe. He just calmly walked around sipping his Grande Espresso Tai chi while all hell was breaking loose! That me I wanna be that guy

 

[OldSchool101]

His value 3 years from now?

Could be an outright cut, trade for a 7th round pick, Five 1st round picks or something in between. Too many variables to know at this time.

We have seen this situation unfold across NFL many times.

- Star player is either disgruntled and/or wants out/more money.

- Star player is too big of a cap burden, time to redo or dump him.

- Star player is no longer a star, but still on a huge contract.

- Once Star Player has suffered too many injuries and retires.

So until we know where Parsons is in 3 years, there is no way to answer that question accurately.

I’m talking if Micah plays similar
and Doesn't die in a lithium involved helicopter crash or run his yacht into a Reef and get thrown and then eaten by sharks.

I mean Let’s look at Davante he wasnt even the best WR in the league and he nets a $30mil annual (today’s ~$40m) and a #23,#57 in that very next draft. (Immediate return).

I actually predict we get at minimum 1 RD1 selection (possibly Top 20 value) or.. Possibly a trio of earlier Day 2’s etc. Nothing catastrophically lower than we parted with imo.

 

[tynimiller]

I’m talking if Micah plays similar
and Doesn't die in a lithium involved helicopter crash or run his yacht into a Reef and get thrown and then eaten by sharks.

I mean Let’s look at Davante he wasnt even the best WR in the league and he nets a $30mil annual (today’s ~$40m) and a #23,#57 in that very next draft. (Immediate return).

I actually predict we get at minimum 1 RD1 selection (possibly Top 20 value) or.. Possibly a trio of earlier Day 2’s etc. Nothing catastrophically lower than we parted with imo.

IF Parsons continue to be one of say the best 5 rushers in the league honest to God his cap hit in four years could be spot on or barely higher than market....

 

[OldSchool101]

IF Parsons continue to be one of say the best 5 rushers in the league honest to God his cap hit in four years could be spot on or barely higher than market....

That’s what I mean. Teams rarely “underpay” to get a young Defensive star. You probably long run overpay like $5Mil yearly in today’s money. Thats why they jump ship to begin with. It’s really quite rare to even have a chance to trade for a Top 3 Pass rusher who just turned 26yrs old. Those guys routinely get resigned by their drafting team. Dallas did try to resign Micah at $40.5Mil. From the interview that his agent gave David said they were toying with his guarantee at a level that was highly questionable . He mentioned really only would get a 1yr extension. So that’s a contract out in 2027. Players at his level don’t do 1yr contracts.

Dallas was trying to be non committal. It was never a contract that would’ve been acceptable. Also Micah was brought in from vacation on the grounds of a “leadership” meeting. That turned into negotiating a contract and took him off guard. He was agreeing because it was a meeting on leadership so lots of yes sir. Yes head bobbing. He was just trying to play along he didn’t go in to sign paperwork. Very deceptive negotiating tactic of what I call “leading” a player who was not equipped to decipher the fine print. Micah just heard $40.5Mil yearly and naturally shook his head yes.
Dallas got caught. They did the old elbow close using it by covering up contract details. Not literally but figuratively. Very deceptive imo

 

[Voyageur]

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These things aren't pretty. I got caught up in one myself, and had the responsibility of stopping several of them as a cop.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I’m talking if Micah plays similar
and Doesn't die in a lithium involved helicopter crash or run his yacht into a Reef and get thrown and then eaten by sharks.

I mean Let’s look at Davante he wasnt even the best WR in the league and he nets a $30mil annual (today’s ~$40m) and a #23,#57 in that very next draft. (Immediate return).

I actually predict we get at minimum 1 RD1 selection (possibly Top 20 value) or.. Possibly a trio of earlier Day 2’s etc. Nothing catastrophically lower than we parted with imo.

IF Parsons continue to be one of say the best 5 rushers in the league honest to God his cap hit in four years could be spot on or barely higher than market....

Yes, I agree the "future value" of Parsons could be high.

I hate to keep being the Debbie Downer, but....here goes.

His value could be high, medium, low or zero. We just don't know right now. I hope he's playing at an even higher level and is worth keeping under a new deal. Or he is so valuable as a trade piece, he nets us multiple first round picks.

So here is the other piece of "reality". What is the lost cost/future value of Kenny Clark, 2 first round picks and the money spent on Parsons?

Again, not meaning to be a Debbie Downer, but when it comes to decisions of gambling, which I think this qualifies as such, you have to look at each and every piece and all possible outcomes.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

These things aren't pretty. I got caught up in one myself, and had the responsibility of stopping several of them as a cop.

When I was 12 my Dad took me to see his favorite movie, Blazing Saddles. At 12 I thought it was a treat to be seeing an R rated movie.

The treat got even better. After the movie he took me out for pizza (no beer damn it) and as we were leaving, there was a large number of guys in the parking lot yapping at each other. My dad hurried me by them and into the car. I looked over at my Dad as he just sat in the the drivers seat. I said "Why aren't you starting the car?" He smiled and said "Son, sit back and watch, I think we have front row seats to a parking lot brawl."

Oh man, he wasn't kidding. All hell broke loose and the punches and kicks started flying. I will never forget the sight of 2 guys picking up another guy that was laying on the ground, each carrying an arm and a leg, ramming him head first into the side of a parked car! The fight went on for what seemed like forever to a 12 year old kid, finally broken-up by half of Madison's police force arriving at the scene of mostly guys laying around bruised and bloody.

What a night!

 

[tynimiller]

Yes, I agree the "future value" of Parsons could be high.

I hate to keep being the Debbie Downer, but....here goes.

His value could be high, medium, low or zero. We just don't know right now. I hope he's playing at an even higher level and is worth keeping under a new deal. Or he is so valuable as a trade piece, he nets us multiple first round picks.

So here is the other piece of "reality". What is the lost cost/future value of Kenny Clark, 2 first round picks and the money spent on Parsons?

Again, not meaning to be a Debbie Downer, but when it comes to decisions of gambling, which I think this qualifies as such, you have to look at each and every piece and all possible outcomes.

I was answering the specific question of the future if he stays as good as he is.

 

[AmishMafia]

IF Parsons continue to be one of say the best 5 rushers in the league honest to God his cap hit in four years could be spot on or barely higher than market....

I thought it was already spot on and maybe a bit lower at $39.6M/year than the Crosby/Watt/Garrett contracts. And considering he will be around their current ages when the contract expires, it should be considered a much better deal.

Here's my math, $10M this year on his existing deal according to OverTheCap, and $188M for the next 4 or $198M for 5 years or $39.6M.

 

[Calebs Revenge]

Given the structure of his contract, I don't see him being in Green Bay after the 2027 season without a restructure. So when you talk about what he will be worth in 2028, he will be worth whatever the market bares for his abilities at the time. We know that "team discounts" are pretty much a myth. If he isn't playing at a high level, he will be cut after 2027. If he is playing at a high level, the Packers will have to pony up more guaranteed money, to get him to redo his contract.

If he's not there after 2027, I would consider it a huge loss...... like I said though when the Bears traded for Khalil Mack, yes he was older, but injuries slowed him down and we got about a year and a half of what we thought we were getting when we traded for him and the rest was worth what we traded....

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If he's not there after 2027, I would consider it a huge loss...... like I said though when the Bears traded for Khalil Mack, yes he was older, but injuries slowed him down and we got about a year and a half of what we thought we were getting when we traded for him and the rest was worth what we traded....

Given the way his contract is structured, it very well might be 3 years and out. But as we all have been talking about, wait and see where a number of variables are at that time.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Restructuring his contract does not negate his draft value though?

you mentioned Parsons would get “market value”.
Whats Micah Parson Draft “market value” in 3-4 years if he plays similar to his last 4 years and we decide to trade him.

I’m talking ballpark here

I would imagine a first-round and a second-round pick? Based on his past play and age it will be equivalent to whatever the Browns would expect for Garrett in a trade.

 

[rmontro]

We have seen this situation unfold across NFL many times.

- Star player is either disgruntled and/or wants out/more money.

I hope that particular scenario doesn't rear its head anytime soon. It's crossed my mind.

 

[El Guapo]

When Preston Smith and Za'Darius Smith came to down in 2019, Za'Darius had a great start to his career in GB. His stats through six games were:
6 sacks
12 QB hits
19 tackles
6 tackles for loss

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Do you expect Parsons (likely on an early pitch count) to equal, surpass, or come short of Smith's run?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

When Preston Smith and Za'Darius Smith came to down in 2019, Za'Darius had a great start to his career in GB. His stats through six games were:
6 sacks
12 QB hits
19 tackles
6 tackles for loss

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Do you expect Parsons (likely on an early pitch count) to equal, surpass, or come short of Smith's run?

Surpass. Maybe fewer than 19 tackles?

 

[RRyder]

I’m talking if Micah plays similar
and Doesn't die in a lithium involved helicopter crash or run his yacht into a Reef and get thrown and then eaten by sharks.

I mean Let’s look at Davante he wasnt even the best WR in the league and he nets a $30mil annual (today’s ~$40m) and a #23,#57 in that very next draft. (Immediate return).

I actually predict we get at minimum 1 RD1 selection (possibly Top 20 value) or.. Possibly a trio of earlier Day 2’s etc. Nothing catastrophically lower than we parted with imo.

If Parsons play stays the same and hes healthy at the age of 29 and we're trading him before the draft (or FA) we're getting back at MINIMUM 2 1st rounders plus probably a 4th

Yes the Cowboys fumbled it so bad we'd get back more trading him at age 29 versus them trading him at 26

 

[Voyageur]

When I was 12 my Dad took me to see his favorite movie, Blazing Saddles. At 12 I thought it was a treat to be seeing an R rated movie.

The treat got even better. After the movie he took me out for pizza (no beer damn it) and as we were leaving, there was a large number of guys in the parking lot yapping at each other. My dad hurried me by them and into the car. I looked over at my Dad as he just sat in the the drivers seat. I said "Why aren't you starting the car?" He smiled and said "Son, sit back and watch, I think we have front row seats to a parking lot brawl."

Oh man, he wasn't kidding. All hell broke loose and the punches and kicks started flying. I will never forget the sight of 2 guys picking up another guy that was laying on the ground, each carrying an arm and a leg, ramming him head first into the side of a parked car! The fight went on for what seemed like forever to a 12 year old kid, finally broken-up by half of Madison's police force arriving at the scene of mostly guys laying around bruised and bloody.

What a night!

These things usually start with one bully surrounded by his friends throwing a sucker punch. We saw that in this fight as well. Every once in a while an altercation like this will lead to a death and someone needs to be charged for the crime.

 

[Packermudgeon]

When Preston Smith and Za'Darius Smith came to down in 2019, Za'Darius had a great start to his career in GB. His stats through six games were:
6 sacks
12 QB hits
19 tackles
6 tackles for loss

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Do you expect Parsons (likely on an early pitch count) to equal, surpass, or come short of Smith's run?

I would say come up short.
With no training camp and a potential back issue, I think he'll be on a pitch count for a couple games. He may still have to play himself into game shape. But he'll get extra attention, so I think a couple others will get to the QB more than usual.

 

[OldSchool101]

Interesting take by JJ Watt interviewed. He watched Parsons working on the sled yesterday. His take was the way he lifted it and arched? He said no way is this anything serious.He’s had the exact same injury, plus multiple variations, JJ talked about getting an epidural and said they work amazingly good and kinda laughed there. He’s had those also on several occasions.

His impression on playing time is that Edge position is not a position that needs intricate playbook knowledge. He said it’s 2 primary duties.
1. set edge- play run
2. Get after QB!

He was asked his take if he were the GM today. He said he can likely be used yesterday based on what he’s seeing. He didn’t even think he’d need to be “ramped up”. That he mentioned is his opinion for an average starter. He mentioned this isn’t an average starter. Thinks all the Micah injury talk is mostly overreaction.

 

[El Guapo]

Interesting take by JJ Watt interviewed. He watched Parsons working on the sled yesterday. His take was the way he lifted it and arched? He said no way is this anything serious.He’s had the exact same injury, plus multiple variations, JJ talked about getting an epidural and said they work amazingly good and kinda laughed there. He’s had those also on several occasions.

His impression on playing time is that Edge position is not a position that needs intricate playbook knowledge. He said it’s 2 primary duties.
1. set edge- play run
2. Get after QB!

He was asked his take if he were the GM today. He said he can likely be used yesterday based on what he’s seeing. He didn’t even think he’d need to be “ramped up”. That he mentioned is his opinion for an average starter. He mentioned this isn’t an average starter. Thinks all the Micah injury talk is mostly overreaction.

I agree after seeing a lot of the footage of Parsons pushing up through pads and fighting through practice pads. A tweaked back would not allow you to do that, and you wouldn't want to even chance it leading up to a game if things are tender. I think that his back is probably fine.

As for ramping up though, I disagree. Yes Parsons is a generational talent, he's different, blah blah blah. I just don't think that Game 1 against any opponent is worth risking a hamstring or other injury because he hasn't ramped up in the preseason like everyone else. To me it's like firing up a Lamborghini. You would drive it around a little to warm up the engine and the tranny before hammering the throttle. While there is a 75% change that Parsons won't get hurt, it's the 25% (or 10%, etc.) chance of getting hurt that isn't worth it. There is too much history to ignore regarding top players skipping camp and then getting injured in the first week or two.

 

[Pkrjones]

Didn't want to start a new thread for this "voidable years related to salary cap" post...
Per PFT the Eagles have over $380mil attached to voidable years on contracts, more than DOUBLE any other team. They're counting on massive cap escalation over next few years and even so will be facing cap-hell at some point. Keeping their SB window open as long as possible. Time for GB to overtake them & close that Super Bowl window up.