1. Welcome to Green Bay Packers NFL Football Forum & Community!
    Packer Forum is one of the largest online communities for the Green Bay Packers.

    You are currently viewing our community forums as a guest user.

    Sign Up or

    Having an account grants you additional privileges, such as creating and participating in discussions. Furthermore, we hide most of the ads once you register as a member!
  2. Announcement is LIVE: Read the Forum Post

Packers will consider Young in the Draft

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by porky88, Apr 9, 2006.

  1. DePack

    DePack Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    3,904
    Ratings:
    +1

    I said top 10...not #1.
     
  2. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    Messages:
    11,903
    Ratings:
    +8
    Dammit! You weren't supposed to catch that!

    Oh well. Cardinals and Redskins were in the top ten and also considered him, obviously they passed on him. Redskins were higher on I think Campbell an figured they could get him much later in the first round.
     
  3. CaliforniaCheez

    CaliforniaCheez Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2005
    Messages:
    2,486
    Ratings:
    +0
    I think Young will be a big bust if someone is stupid enough to take him in the first round.

    If Rodgers fell to 24 Young could easily drop out of the first round.

    Actually, I hope the vikings waste their first round pick on the genius. I couldn't wish the trouble on another franchise. He isn't as good as Vick who has missed over a third of his team's games and averages 50 yards rushing a game.

    An RB would be so much more effective. He is no Bobby Douglas.
     
  4. Greg C.

    Greg C. Cheesehead

    Joined:
    May 31, 2005
    Messages:
    2,856
    Ratings:
    +0
    It surprises me how many people take Thompson at his word when he says he is going to draft the best player available, regardless of position. While I believe he DID do that last year, when he was just starting out as GM, I expect him to be more selective this year. Drafting first-round QB's in successive years would be madness, exceeded only by the Lions drafting three wide receivers in a row in the top 10.

    I guess it could happen if Rodgers really IS awful, but I haven't heard any indication that he is. He did beat out Craig Nall for the #2 spot last season, and he held onto it all season. This suggests that the Packer management really did think he had some game.

    A lot of the Rodgers criticism is just hindsight. Although he slipped to #24, he was still the second QB taken, which is nothing to be ashamed of. I don't think many people had Frye or anyone else ranked above him. Everything I heard suggested that Smith and Rodgers were the best two prospects, probably in that order. Frye did play really well last year, but who's to say Rodgers would not have played well if given a chance? Then there's Kyle Orton, who a lot of people have fallen in love with, but he basically looked like a typical Chicago Bears scrub QB, except he had a better team around him than most Bears QB's in recent history. He looks like a career backup.
     
  5. bozz_2006

    bozz_2006 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2006
    Messages:
    4,568
    Ratings:
    +650
    we're not going to draft young. the titans are. he is the second coming of steve mcnair. if they don't draft him, i hope we don't.
     
  6. pyledriver80

    pyledriver80 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    May 30, 2005
    Messages:
    2,391
    Ratings:
    +0
    No to Young. Take Hawk and don't look back
     
  7. porky88

    porky88 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2006
    Messages:
    3,991
    Ratings:
    +0
    Young is a much better prospect than Rodgers. It's as simple as that. Young isn't going to fall to round 2. Rodgers would in this Draft.

    Every high pick in this draft is a potential bust. Every high pick is a potential pro bowler. Predicting busts in the draft is like predicting who will win the Super Bowl in 2008 right now. It doesn't work that way. Young is a much better prospect than Rodger. All you have to do is pickup film and look at their workout numbers and that says it all. Saying Rodgers is a better prospect as a Packer fan makes you come off wearing Green & Gold homer glasses. Of course if we past on Young I hope Rodgers ends up better but in comparing the two as prospects Young is much better as a prospect coming out than Rodgers.
     
  8. porky88

    porky88 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2006
    Messages:
    3,991
    Ratings:
    +0
    I agree and one thing I think Packer fans can't accept is we are rebuilding with or without Brett Favre. having 2 young QB's slug it out and trading the loser would help the process. I'll take Young and solid defensive player over Hawk and Rodgers anyday.

    I think if Mario Williams is on the board you have to take him. If not then it's wide open to what we do. Hawk makes sense but if Young's potential is reached he could be the best player in this draft. Hawk will not be the best player to come out. I think that's what Ted Thompson is thinking.
     
  9. P@ck66

    P@ck66 Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    2,207
    Ratings:
    +0
    So..

    You're saying TT's first pick in the draft for the Packer's ever is a bust...?
     
  10. DePack

    DePack Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2005
    Messages:
    3,904
    Ratings:
    +1

    Porky...the problem with this theory is that once you determine who the loser is you've exposed him. What are people going to give you for a loser?
     
  11. Popcynical

    Popcynical Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    Messages:
    519
    Ratings:
    +0

    Too true. If we do end up taking Young, we will have probably traded Rodgers for a late second round or early third round pick before hand.

    But to be honest, if AJ Hawk and Supermario are both gone at number five, I'd rather see us grabbing Vernon Davis than Young.
     
  12. porky88

    porky88 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2006
    Messages:
    3,991
    Ratings:
    +0
    This is a good point and this is why I think Green Bay would hold onto both Young and Rodgers for a year and let them go at it in training camp. Since we're rebuilding let the two young QB's compete for the future role and whatever one is your guy keep and trade the other.

    We could still get value for Rodgers and or Young in 2007. Someone will take a chance. Now we're not going to get a 1st round pick but I wouldn't rule out a good young defensive player for either or.

    Actually for Young I think we could get a lot more than for Rodgers. For Rodgers I think a good defender and maybe a 5th round pick. There's always a market for a QB in today's NFL especially young prospect like this. Look it Matt Schaub in Atlanta. Probably worth a 1st round pick.
     
  13. gopackgo4

    gopackgo4 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    1,080
    Ratings:
    +0
    I doubt it, I dont think TT is into these dumb guy.
     
  14. Anubis

    Anubis Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2005
    Messages:
    767
    Ratings:
    +0
    Didn't Young score a 7 on the Wonderlic? Not the kind of intelligence I would want to see leading the offense... :roll:

    GO PACK!!!

    Robert C. Hedley
     
  15. HatestheEagles084

    HatestheEagles084 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2005
    Messages:
    1,423
    Ratings:
    +1
    If you havent noticed, Ted Thompson has his watchful eyes on every prospect out there--we were the only team at Bush's pro day, probably won't draft him, but he wants to be in the know--this guy's philosophy revolves around the draft--I highly doubt he'd be after Vince Young, but maybe they're scouting up on him to see if teams would be interested in our #5 pick if Young should be available there...Arizona, Oakland, who knows...

    I highly doubt that Thompson would stick a rookie head coach with two fresh QB's, who are completely opposite each other, one a dropback passing system guy, and the other a mobile large dumb *** who relies on raw ability but cannot tie his own shoes

    And if you havent noticed i really don't think Young willmake a solid pro
     
  16. mattresell

    mattresell Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2005
    Messages:
    424
    Ratings:
    +0
    I didn't even want to open this thread because it seems ridiculous and speculatory that we would take Vince Young given that we already have something invested in Rodgers. I also cringe at the idea of selecting VY with our pick.

    With that said, I read the 5 pages of posts and felt the need to respond. Most of you have the right idea. We likely will not and should not draft VY.

    None of us here are pro scouts, including myself, yet I think I might have the best look at VY than all of us. I live 20 miles south of Austin - aka VY country.

    I've watched 8-9 UT games each of the past 2 years and saw Vince play at Madison High twice.

    I would be willing to bet my share of Packer stock that he will NOT be a good pro quarterback. He's compared to Mike Vick quite frequently. The fact is that he is not as fast as Vick, not as athletic, and does not have as strong of an arm as Vick. He will NOT be as good as Mike Vick, and I happen to think that Vick isn't that great anyways.

    His deep ball is terrible. Very seldom have I seen him complete a pass of longer than 12 yards without the reciever being wide open. I don't believe he can zip the out routes in the NFL. Haven't really seen him do it even in college.

    He was a great college QB, but alot of what you saw was very much tied too the talent level around him, mainly his offensive line. He was put in an offense perfect for him, but it also made him look better than he actually is.

    This is coming from a guy who's seen him play 2 dozen times - for what it's worth.
     
  17. porky88

    porky88 Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2006
    Messages:
    3,991
    Ratings:
    +0
    He scored a 16. Same as Dan Marino. :wink:
     
  18. warhawk

    warhawk Cheesehead

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2005
    Messages:
    1,922
    Ratings:
    +38
    I can't see it. The organization is not in a position to gamble on a QB like that.

    We finally get in a strong draft position and we throw the dice on a QB that could be good or bust? I don't think so.

    We've got a lot of holes to file and need to get some depth. This would be too much of a crap shoot.

    I would much rather we trade down to Denver and get three picks in the first 37 than do something like this.

    Especially if TT WERE to get contracts with Lavar, and, or, Woodson. I look for TT to move down for more picks if that happens.
     

Share This Page