I see your sarcasm
He's as passive aggressive as they come all over this board. he also confuses his little digs and shots he takes repeatedly at people with an opposing viewpoint as a legitimate "challenge" of that view point. he doesn't quite get that suggesting people read more inane OTA articles that serve nothing more to engage the fans and keep them excited for the upcoming season and suggesting the educate themselves more isn't really challenging someone else's opinion. It's nothing more than his way of trying to insult or take a dig
Just for the record, I respect Poker and come along with him pretty well despite disagreeing on a variety of topics.
I would disagree with your first statement. Go back and look at the discussion on Rodgers being "immunized". There is one Twit on this site that has defended him vehemently over that, even after Rodgers admitted his mistake.
Rodgers' teammates, the franchise and the league knew about him not being vaccinated. I actually don't care what he said to the media about it either.
As far as character flaws, we all have them Cap, but if you or anyone else is offended by discussing Rodgers character flaws in here, then we should stop discussing flaws in coaching, GM and other players.
I don't get offended by anyone mentioning Rodgers' character flaws. But my point is that you have no idea about any of it being true as you have never met him in person.
Let me ask you a simple question. If Rodgers was just another average player, say a backup QB, do you think the Packer organization would put up with him? I don't know your answer, but my answer would be "no". I think he would have been cut a long time ago. Yet, they just made him the highest paid player in the NFL at the age of 38. Why, because his talent is worth putting up with his B.S. for the Packer organization. I think for some of us, the scales finally tipped the other way.
Rodgers hasn't done anything that would make me believe the Packers would move on from him solely based on it.
Not going to let you keep getting away with this one. You have a really good fortune teller or something?
There's absolutely no doubt the Packers trading up for Love has been a mistake considering what has happened over the past two seasons. It's probable nothing will change about that in the next two years either.
I know the argument put forth by people who like the Love pick - it hasn't played out yet. That's true. But how much are you willing to wager that Love will one day become a starting NFL QB and lead a team for many seasons? Eh? I'll take that bet and offer terrific odds. At this point he's barely a #2 backup.
In addition it doesn't do the Packers any good if Love ends up a decent starter for another team.
I am going to have to completely disagree with you here. At this point he is one of the top back up QBs in the league.
I vehemently disagree with that statement as there's no evidence at all to support it.
Now Rodgers wasn't the only reason we lost, but he was downright awful, and if he wasn't so tunnel vision in targeting Adams then maybe we wouldn't have been in that position to have lost the game.
Instead of taking what is given to him by the defense and spreading the ball around like he used to back in the day he has become tunnel vision and would target Adams (it reminds me of Stafford always throwing it to Megatron back in the day). The faith I once had in him making the "right" play I'm now holding my breath, crossing my fingers hoping he doesn't do anything stupid, which is 50/50 at this point now.
Once again, Rodgers was 18-of-21 for 219 yards when targeting Adams and Jones vs. the Niners but only 2-of-6 for 6 yards when throwing to someone else in the playoff game vs. the Niners. On top of it, Lewis lost a fumble on one of those plays. So please, tell me how the offense would have been that much better by Rodgers spreading around the ball??? It's true he missed an open receiver on the last play but that happens to every quarterback in the league.
It's ridiculous to suggest he does something stupid on half the plays.
I'm ready to move on from him because I think the Packers have hit their ceiling with him as QB. I personally am weary of the different sideshows and media attention focused on him. I'm not sure if that mess is good for the other players and coaches. He has shown me for the last..... actually 8 years, going back to all the failed first half drives resulting in FG's instead of TD's in the Seattle NFC championship game that he isn't going to carry the team to victory in those tough games. I think the overall health of the franchise would be better if we had traded him to Denver a month ago. I'm not expecting any different end result this season with him. I think his cap number has reached the point now that he is hindering improvement in building other areas of the team. Just am saying all this so some people here don't think my thoughts are completely ridiculous. I see this situation as history repeating itself. We went through a similar situation with Favre at the end of his time in Green Bay and Rodgers imo has been acting a tad Favrish in the last 5 years imo.
Rodgers is more than capable to carry the team to a Super Bowl but the Packers need to surround him with more talent than they've done since 2011. As I've mentioned repeatedly Brady hasn't won a ring when not having a top 8 scoring defense, something the front office has failed to achieve even once over the past 11 seasons in Green Bay. In addition both Thompson and Gutekunst have done a terrible job of handling the receiving corps over the past few years.
His cap number is at 13.2% of the cap this upcoming season and not expected to raise above 16% in any of the next three years. That definitely shouldn't prevent the Packers to put together a team capable of contending for another Super Bowl.
That said, eventually the Packers will have to move on from Rodgers, this year wouldn't have been a bad year to do so IMO.
In my opinion it would have definitely been a terrible idea to trade away the two-time defending MVP. There will be a time to move on from Rodgers not far down the road but the team should take advantage of having an elite quarterback as long as possible.
I don't think the offense would be a bottom 5 unit in effectiveness this year without Rodgers. I really have a lot of faith in LaFleur to design ways for Love to be at least moderately successful as he grows into the offensive scheme and I think without Rodgers contract on the books it would have allowed us to further improve a few spots on the team that need improvement. I think the defense is actually pretty close to being a top 3 unit in the NFL. All in all, I really am very optimistic about the quality of our core players.
I think you're fooling yourself by believing this offense would be any good without Rodgers.
As you and I have pointed out, trading him now pretty much wipes out all the "whens and what ifs".
Trading Rodgers would have resulted in different "whens and whatifs" though. Like when would the Packers have been eliminated from playoff contention, what if it would be smart to start Benkert over Love etc.
For real
MLF, with his scheme, I think most ANY qb could play in and we would be around Top 15-20.
That's wishful thinking, quite sure you will be proven wrong once Rodgers doesn't play for the Packers anymore.
Nope, Rodgers can't do it alone, but he also seems to get rattled a bit in big games when the other teams defense is making him uncomfortable in the pocket.
Every single quarterback in the NFL getting rattled when facing too much pressure. You might want to look at Mahomes and the Chiefs against the Bucs in the Super Bowl for evidence.
